| Loan a centre half 23:56 - Jan 21 with 2439 views | Bobsthename |
or buy to give our defenders competition for places they are very complacent at the moment which i think is costing us on occasions. |  | | |  |
| Loan a centre half on 00:08 - Jan 22 with 2165 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
Indeed. All three Woolfenden, Donacien and Burgess have been poor/complacent for a while. When put under they pressure they seem to be struggling.
The first goal for Oxford. FFS !!!! All three of them !!!! |  | | |
| Loan a centre half on 00:11 - Jan 22 with 2151 views | Herbivore |
| Loan a centre half on 00:08 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Indeed. All three Woolfenden, Donacien and Burgess have been poor/complacent for a while. When put under they pressure they seem to be struggling.
The first goal for Oxford. FFS !!!! All three of them !!!! |
Aside from today, how many goals recently have been Woolf's fault? |  |
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| Loan a centre half on 00:12 - Jan 22 with 2146 views | pointofblue |
| Loan a centre half on 00:08 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Indeed. All three Woolfenden, Donacien and Burgess have been poor/complacent for a while. When put under they pressure they seem to be struggling.
The first goal for Oxford. FFS !!!! All three of them !!!! |
I thought Woolfenden for the most part has been improving throughout the season, but was definitely too weak today. Donacien and Burgess have struggled badly. If Clarke and Edmundson come in they can have no complaints. | |
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| Loan a centre half on 00:22 - Jan 22 with 2113 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Loan a centre half on 00:11 - Jan 22 by Herbivore |
Aside from today, how many goals recently have been Woolf's fault? |
I have said all three of them. | | | |
| Loan a centre half on 07:12 - Jan 22 with 1931 views | bobbyramsey |
Apart from Keogh who I believe was a freebie, and quite honestly looks past it, how much have we actually spent on defenders in the past three windows, I mean centre backs, actual defenders not hybrid wingers? The answer is zilch I think. Where is the competition for places, where is the pressure?
I suppose with the multi millions KM has spent on offence he assumes we will just bulldozer the opposition by outscoring them, errrrrrr!!
In my opinion the defence needs a total rebuild, we are seeing the same pathetic performances/mistakes week after week and not just recently but right from the start of KM's tenure and before.
Something is wrong and it needs fixing quickly...... [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 7:13]
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| Loan a centre half on 08:10 - Jan 22 with 1842 views | Herbivore |
| Loan a centre half on 00:22 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
I have said all three of them. |
So that's none then. You said Woolf has been poor for a while, along with the others, and that's just not true. | |
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| Loan a centre half on 08:17 - Jan 22 with 1804 views | textbackup |
we've just spent £1m on a CB/RB.... and have Edmundsen and Keogh in the background.
we cant just keep chucking players at an already big squad |  |
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| Loan a centre half on 08:24 - Jan 22 with 1779 views | Slimitfc91 |
| Loan a centre half on 08:17 - Jan 22 by textbackup |
we've just spent £1m on a CB/RB.... and have Edmundsen and Keogh in the background.
we cant just keep chucking players at an already big squad |
Agree, squad is far too big, need to get rid of 4 or 5 | | | |
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| Loan a centre half on 10:21 - Jan 22 with 1689 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Loan a centre half on 08:10 - Jan 22 by Herbivore |
So that's none then. You said Woolf has been poor for a while, along with the others, and that's just not true. |
That's none? Again, I have said all three of them. Him plus others. Can't explain it any clearer for you but I don't care if you agree or disagree.
It is a true. All three CB's have been poor and unreliable for a while. Possibly complacent too and some changes need to be a made.
They struggle to defend high balls, they struggle when put under pressure. The manager has to stop his fixation with playing out from the back and teach them how to defend and stop conceding silly goals.
Sheffield Wed have got 16 clean sheets and dropped only 4 points from winning positions. Our defence is frankly very poor in compare to them. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:23]
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| Loan a centre half on 10:24 - Jan 22 with 1670 views | Herbivore |
| Loan a centre half on 10:21 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
That's none? Again, I have said all three of them. Him plus others. Can't explain it any clearer for you but I don't care if you agree or disagree.
It is a true. All three CB's have been poor and unreliable for a while. Possibly complacent too and some changes need to be a made.
They struggle to defend high balls, they struggle when put under pressure. The manager has to stop his fixation with playing out from the back and teach them how to defend and stop conceding silly goals.
Sheffield Wed have got 16 clean sheets and dropped only 4 points from winning positions. Our defence is frankly very poor in compare to them. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:23]
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The idea that Woolf has been poor for a while is nonsense. So yeah, I disagree. | |
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| Loan a centre half on 10:27 - Jan 22 with 1644 views | Mullet |
As bad as the defending was for the first goal, how is it complacency exactly? Especially when we've just loaned out two defenders again and bought another one? You're just reaching here. |  |
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| Loan a centre half on 10:41 - Jan 22 with 1628 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Loan a centre half on 10:24 - Jan 22 by Herbivore |
The idea that Woolf has been poor for a while is nonsense. So yeah, I disagree. |
It's a fact, not a nonsense. His main job is to defend and he like two others has been failing. | | | |
| Loan a centre half on 10:46 - Jan 22 with 1610 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Loan a centre half on 10:27 - Jan 22 by Mullet |
As bad as the defending was for the first goal, how is it complacency exactly? Especially when we've just loaned out two defenders again and bought another one? You're just reaching here. |
It's not only yesterday. Other games too. Wycombe away for example, Portsmouth's second goal.
Yes perhaps a bit complacent as they have been playing together for a while and not rectifying their issues.
Time to drop one or two of them and give opportunities to others. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:47]
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| Loan a centre half on 10:49 - Jan 22 with 1592 views | Mullet |
| Loan a centre half on 10:46 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
It's not only yesterday. Other games too. Wycombe away for example, Portsmouth's second goal.
Yes perhaps a bit complacent as they have been playing together for a while and not rectifying their issues.
Time to drop one or two of them and give opportunities to others. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:47]
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We've not had the same back four all season though, in fact have we had them for more than 8 or 9 games in a row? | |
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| Loan a centre half on 11:01 - Jan 22 with 1556 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Loan a centre half on 10:49 - Jan 22 by Mullet |
We've not had the same back four all season though, in fact have we had them for more than 8 or 9 games in a row? |
8 or 9 games in which this defence has been unreliable and conceding silly goals.
Time to change the personnel. | | | |
| Loan a centre half on 11:10 - Jan 22 with 1521 views | pointofblue |
| Loan a centre half on 10:41 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
It's a fact, not a nonsense. His main job is to defend and he like two others has been failing. |
How? Which goals conceded recently, barring Oxford’s first, have been specifically his fault? That’s what’s being asked.
Burgess - yes, you can start picking them out.
Donacien - Can’t recall him individually being at fault for many goals of late. If you can, please let me know, as it’s bugging me. His issue has been more from an attacking sense.
Davis - obviously Portsmouth’s second, and the ongoing weakness we had at the back post which, to be fair, has seemingly been worked on as I cannot remember any goals coming from that area since then.
You can argue as a unit they’re failing but they’re not helped by those in front of them - both Wycombe and Plymouth goals came from Humphreys being too weak to stop a run. Burns shouldn’t have let the cross come in for Portsmouth’s second while Morsy conceded the free kick (arguably unfairly) for the first. Goodness knows why Lincoln got a penalty; looks soft even now. Walton failed to command his area for Peterborough’s equaliser, perhaps due to a lack of a cap in the low sun. I think we need more from central midfield in particular to help the defence. I think that’s what they were doing well at the end of last season, but struggling with now. | |
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| Loan a centre half on 11:21 - Jan 22 with 1497 views | pennblue |
| Loan a centre half on 00:08 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Indeed. All three Woolfenden, Donacien and Burgess have been poor/complacent for a while. When put under they pressure they seem to be struggling.
The first goal for Oxford. FFS !!!! All three of them !!!! |
I agree with your point, but Leif too has dropped the ball too on a couple of occasions | |
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| Loan a centre half on 11:21 - Jan 22 with 1498 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Loan a centre half on 11:10 - Jan 22 by pointofblue |
How? Which goals conceded recently, barring Oxford’s first, have been specifically his fault? That’s what’s being asked.
Burgess - yes, you can start picking them out.
Donacien - Can’t recall him individually being at fault for many goals of late. If you can, please let me know, as it’s bugging me. His issue has been more from an attacking sense.
Davis - obviously Portsmouth’s second, and the ongoing weakness we had at the back post which, to be fair, has seemingly been worked on as I cannot remember any goals coming from that area since then.
You can argue as a unit they’re failing but they’re not helped by those in front of them - both Wycombe and Plymouth goals came from Humphreys being too weak to stop a run. Burns shouldn’t have let the cross come in for Portsmouth’s second while Morsy conceded the free kick (arguably unfairly) for the first. Goodness knows why Lincoln got a penalty; looks soft even now. Walton failed to command his area for Peterborough’s equaliser, perhaps due to a lack of a cap in the low sun. I think we need more from central midfield in particular to help the defence. I think that’s what they were doing well at the end of last season, but struggling with now. |
Need to repeat what I said beforehand. His and their main job is to defend. They struggle to defend the high balls, they struggle when put under pressure, they don't make tackles.
Would trust them as a unit in three very tough away games to come soon against the teams just below us (Bolton, Barnsley, Derby)? [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 11:22]
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| Loan a centre half on 11:35 - Jan 22 with 1459 views | pointofblue |
| Loan a centre half on 11:21 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Need to repeat what I said beforehand. His and their main job is to defend. They struggle to defend the high balls, they struggle when put under pressure, they don't make tackles.
Would trust them as a unit in three very tough away games to come soon against the teams just below us (Bolton, Barnsley, Derby)? [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 11:22]
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Depends whether they get support from the unit in front of them. You say we struggle with high balls but we’ve only conceded one for two in the last nine - Oxford and Portsmouth. And the latter was a left back being beaten, not a centre back, after the right sided midfielder failed to stop a cross. | |
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| Loan a centre half on 11:48 - Jan 22 with 1429 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Loan a centre half on 11:35 - Jan 22 by pointofblue |
Depends whether they get support from the unit in front of them. You say we struggle with high balls but we’ve only conceded one for two in the last nine - Oxford and Portsmouth. And the latter was a left back being beaten, not a centre back, after the right sided midfielder failed to stop a cross. |
Don't forget Wycombe goal and its manner too. | | | |
| Loan a centre half on 11:52 - Jan 22 with 1396 views | pointofblue |
| Loan a centre half on 11:48 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Don't forget Wycombe goal and its manner too. |
Plymouth’s too - same issue. Too weak in midfield to start with. Though, after Plymouth, McKenna did seem to fire a shot (no pun intended) at Burgess for getting his angle wrong when blocking. Same thing happen against Fleetwood? | |
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| Loan a centre half on 14:51 - Jan 22 with 1283 views | Ely_Blue |
| Loan a centre half on 08:10 - Jan 22 by Herbivore |
So that's none then. You said Woolf has been poor for a while, along with the others, and that's just not true. |
Woolf does always seem to get outmuscled by big lumps like he did for the first goal |  |
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| Loan a centre half on 16:12 - Jan 22 with 1242 views | OldFart71 |
I think with the new fella we will have two excellent fullbacks. Just the middle needs sorting. No good getting too starry eyed about Woolfy being one of our own. He was basically on his way out prior to McKenna. Perhaps they were right. Need a couple like The Beat and Alan Hunter in there. Both brilliant in different ways. Even great players find it difficult to adapt to a manager coming in and asking them to play in a different, totally alien way. Of course we want football played from back to front and not hoof ball coming down covered in snow but you have to have players capable of that and one's that also don't make mistakes in doing so. | | | |
| Loan a centre half on 18:08 - Jan 22 with 1149 views | pointofblue |
| Loan a centre half on 14:51 - Jan 22 by Ely_Blue |
Woolf does always seem to get outmuscled by big lumps like he did for the first goal |
He did at the start of the season, then he seemed to turn it around (he handled Smith well at Wednesday, for example), and then it happened again yesterday. | |
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| Loan a centre half on 18:10 - Jan 22 with 1146 views | Herbivore |
| Loan a centre half on 10:41 - Jan 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
It's a fact, not a nonsense. His main job is to defend and he like two others has been failing. |
So then presumably you can offer me a number of examples of where Woolf's poor defending has caused us to concede. I agree he should have done better yesterday with the first goal, as should Donacien and Burgess, but your contention was that Woolf has been poor over a sustained period, so I'm looking forward to you giving me some evidence of his poor defending having cost us. | |
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