| The Cobbold Masterplan 11:21 - Apr 6 with 5064 views | bournemouthblue |
I was suspected by his comments last week that Ashton wanted to go over the road with a developed Cobbold which makes sense
It also makes me wonder, given his comments about the ground facing away from the Town, whether he'd want it to be the main Stand essentially, which would be interesting
I don't think there is a need to knock down the Magnus Stand which still can have corporate facilities extended in it technically although they are quite pokey inside I imagine
What they could do is reprofile the top tier if foundations allow and put a new light weight roof on it, which allows more light into the ground.
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:26 - Apr 6 with 3873 views | textbackup |
I think that’s exactly what they’d want, the stadium would looking ‘welcoming’ from all angles.
It could be an amazing stand if done correctly, which I’m sure with these blokes here, it will |  |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:27 - Apr 6 with 3878 views | mylittletown |
I have always thought that turning the ground round 90degrees is the only way you could ever massively expand the capacity at Portman Road.
Whether/when that is necessary is another matter. |  | | |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:29 - Apr 6 with 3849 views | Rozz |
I was thinking the same reading his comments last night, and it makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't surprise me if the Staples lot become the main car park and the Cobbold become an all-singing-all-dancing multi-use complex.
Didn't I see something about Council plans for a swimming pool, mind? |  | | |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:49 - Apr 6 with 3748 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:27 - Apr 6 by mylittletown |
I have always thought that turning the ground round 90degrees is the only way you could ever massively expand the capacity at Portman Road.
Whether/when that is necessary is another matter. |
I think you could do what Tottenham did and build a new ground on the existing site, in that orientation
If you look at it from above, you can see how it once held a Cricket pitch | |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:51 - Apr 6 with 3714 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:29 - Apr 6 by Rozz |
I was thinking the same reading his comments last night, and it makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't surprise me if the Staples lot become the main car park and the Cobbold become an all-singing-all-dancing multi-use complex.
Didn't I see something about Council plans for a swimming pool, mind? |
The Council owns some of the land on that area and wants to put a replacement for Crown Pools in that area
If the club however want to build a big stand roughly in the same location opposite, I can see how that might cause problems
Ashton doesn't want that happening, however if the Borough Council were on board and part of the Masterplan, they might be able to work some kind of joint facility as part of that project, I don't know?
We are a rare centrally located ground that's reasonably well apportioned in terms of space and parking around it | |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:54 - Apr 6 with 3699 views | mylittletown |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:49 - Apr 6 by bournemouthblue |
I think you could do what Tottenham did and build a new ground on the existing site, in that orientation
If you look at it from above, you can see how it once held a Cricket pitch |
That would get rid of the road(s) problem, but you would be throwing away the fairly recent Bobby and Alf stands? | | | |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:58 - Apr 6 with 3667 views | Illinoisblue |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:54 - Apr 6 by mylittletown |
That would get rid of the road(s) problem, but you would be throwing away the fairly recent Bobby and Alf stands? |
No great loss, they’re not particularly impressive stands |  |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 12:03 - Apr 6 with 3631 views | Churchman |
I honestly don’t think it matters too much which way the ground faces. It’s more about access and the facilities of the East Stand for which there is no space.
The west stand is a mass of girders not least because like Churchmans, the top bit was built over the old stand. I really can’t see that being replaced. I can see exec boxes being built into the spare gaps at north stand end and the area underneath and behind being redeveloped and extended into the old training pitch area.
I suppose what the do with the Staples site will have a significant impact on what they do with the ground. The holistic approach is the correct one. The piecemeal developments of the past are understandable and adequate for the time, but not now if they are serious about using the ground for other purposes.
All idle speculation, probably nonsense, but something I find interesting, especially given the nearest to ground development during the Evans era was whether a light bulb or two could be found on the cheap from eBay. [Post edited 7 Apr 2023 8:18]
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 12:57 - Apr 6 with 3481 views | buoyant |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:29 - Apr 6 by Rozz |
I was thinking the same reading his comments last night, and it makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't surprise me if the Staples lot become the main car park and the Cobbold become an all-singing-all-dancing multi-use complex.
Didn't I see something about Council plans for a swimming pool, mind? |
Here it is...
https://www.ipswich.gov.uk/content/council-plans-new-sports-facilities-revealed
It would be somewhat revolutionary for Ipswich planners to harmonize developments. It's been nothing but haphazard in my lifetime. |  |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 14:25 - Apr 6 with 3187 views | HighgateBlue |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:58 - Apr 6 by Illinoisblue |
No great loss, they’re not particularly impressive stands |
I'm not sure that a wholly new stadium would give us enough of a boost to justify the cost (and disruption). We have a capacity of around 30k now. Going up to 35k now would be nice. It would make it bigger than Southampton, Leicester, and on a par with Boro. I really don't think we need it to be any bigger than that. The reality is that only a very small handful of teams are nailed on for the premier league on a virtually permanent basis, and we will never be in that gang. I can't see that we need more than 35k in that context. Going up to 40k would put us in the same sort of bracket as Villa Park and Stamford Bridge. The prospect of selling that out even 5 seasons out of 10 would be difficult to justify demolishing the whole stadium for, in my view.
Then there's the disruption. The early 80s ground redevelopment didn't exactly help us on the pitch, and neither did that in the early 00s. I'd rather be in Bournemouth's position than Wednesday's. Having said that, a big upgrade on the Cobbold would be proportionate financially, it would be improving the facilities, increasing capacity, and without too much disruption hopefully. Ashton seems to be making the right noises. It may be that if we get to the Prem within 5 years, Gamechanger sell us on and let someone else take on the cost of increasing the capacity. Can't see it happening before then. |  | | |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 14:26 - Apr 6 with 3185 views | CityBlue |
I think any proposal would be for a large single tier stand that extends over Portman Road - unless they finalise permissions to close the road permanently.
The height would be based on available overhang for the cantilever. Would expect the new stand to house 10k taking overall capacity close to 38k |  |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 15:10 - Apr 6 with 3049 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 14:26 - Apr 6 by CityBlue |
I think any proposal would be for a large single tier stand that extends over Portman Road - unless they finalise permissions to close the road permanently.
The height would be based on available overhang for the cantilever. Would expect the new stand to house 10k taking overall capacity close to 38k |
Needs to be a car free, paved, zone behind Cobbold. Think the stand needs to be moved back a couple of yards to give more space between touch line and stand. While a single tier stand would be nice think we will end up with a visual replication of North stand, from the pitch , with greater emphasis on acoustics.
Stand will obviously be a lot deeper to allow for improved facilities that can be used not just on match days.
Would like to see some exploration into the provision of an Ipswich Town themed pub, or club house, within the area. |  |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 15:21 - Apr 6 with 3011 views | ITFC_Forever |
There was something MA said last night that intrigued me when he was talking about the ere-build of the Cobbold and how to deal with the road (never mind the fact it's redundant at the moment because of the ridiculous flower beds).... and he suggested tunnelling under it.
That would be pretty cool.... although I'm not sure how that actually allows you to build any further back?
I would suggest they buy the road off the Council and the first part of the car-park, then they can do what they like stand-wise and I could easily see them making that the Main Stand, with the changing rooms and offices etc in that stand, and also incorporating a restaurant / bar.
At the moment, there is the Centre Spot which is currently criminally under-used - when you compare it to Yellows that Norwich have. |  |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 00:17 - Apr 7 with 2634 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:54 - Apr 6 by mylittletown |
That would get rid of the road(s) problem, but you would be throwing away the fairly recent Bobby and Alf stands? |
I'm not saying I would do it but it would be the nuclear option, not something I agree with
If you did knock it down and start against, I'd want a Kop style single tier stand for the North Standers and a far more acoustically sound stadium, where the sound spreads and creates a great atmosphere | |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 00:20 - Apr 7 with 2629 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 14:26 - Apr 6 by CityBlue |
I think any proposal would be for a large single tier stand that extends over Portman Road - unless they finalise permissions to close the road permanently.
The height would be based on available overhang for the cantilever. Would expect the new stand to house 10k taking overall capacity close to 38k |
Which would be more than enough I suspect, a 10k single tier stand would be fairly decent in size? | |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 07:07 - Apr 7 with 2438 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
A radical idea: build a completely new stadium where the car parks are on Portman Road (behind the Sir Bob statue). It looks big enough, would allow the existing stadium to be used fully until the new one is ready, and we would still be based at Portman Road, but with all the advantages of a brand new stadium. Then as part of the deal with IBC, demolish the old stadium and build the swimming pool and leisure complex they want there. Would be an opportunity for a fantastic regeneration of the whole Town. Would need a good park and ride system. |  |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 07:18 - Apr 7 with 2408 views | lurcher |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:27 - Apr 6 by mylittletown |
I have always thought that turning the ground round 90degrees is the only way you could ever massively expand the capacity at Portman Road.
Whether/when that is necessary is another matter. |
It was on the cards before a top tier was added to the west stand. But it wouldn't make sense now the club has the ability to go back on three sides of the ground. |  | | |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 07:25 - Apr 7 with 2376 views | textbackup |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 07:07 - Apr 7 by LegendofthePhoenix |
A radical idea: build a completely new stadium where the car parks are on Portman Road (behind the Sir Bob statue). It looks big enough, would allow the existing stadium to be used fully until the new one is ready, and we would still be based at Portman Road, but with all the advantages of a brand new stadium. Then as part of the deal with IBC, demolish the old stadium and build the swimming pool and leisure complex they want there. Would be an opportunity for a fantastic regeneration of the whole Town. Would need a good park and ride system. |
Or on the park where old all weather pitch used to be | |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 07:28 - Apr 7 with 2364 views | lurcher |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 00:20 - Apr 7 by bournemouthblue |
Which would be more than enough I suspect, a 10k single tier stand would be fairly decent in size? |
The Cobbold, Churchmans and the North are all about the same size, 6-7K. You would need to build a stand that holds 15k or more to significantly raise capacity. That stand would also need wider seats and better tread depths than we have in the other stands, the seats would have to be like Wembley or the Emirates. | | | |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 07:32 - Apr 7 with 2355 views | Buhrer |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:27 - Apr 6 by mylittletown |
I have always thought that turning the ground round 90degrees is the only way you could ever massively expand the capacity at Portman Road.
Whether/when that is necessary is another matter. |
A long way off if it ever happened, but if that did happen would fans also be moved 90 degrees to maintain the same perspective of the pitch? Sounds a massive task. |  | | |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 08:28 - Apr 7 with 2202 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 11:49 - Apr 6 by bournemouthblue |
I think you could do what Tottenham did and build a new ground on the existing site, in that orientation
If you look at it from above, you can see how it once held a Cricket pitch |
And play at Colchester for 3 years whilst it's built? |  |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 08:49 - Apr 7 with 2120 views | tivo |
Does anyone know which part of the Car Park(s) the council own and intend to use for the Aquatic center? |  | | |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 09:05 - Apr 7 with 2083 views | You_Bloo_Right |
I thought this was going to be about someone finding some lost Mr John papers which predicted, Nostradamus style, our successive promotions and subsequent European triumph under McKenna. |  |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 09:33 - Apr 7 with 2001 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 07:32 - Apr 7 by Buhrer |
A long way off if it ever happened, but if that did happen would fans also be moved 90 degrees to maintain the same perspective of the pitch? Sounds a massive task. |
Would the sun be low, parallel to the pitch essentially, it's over the West Stand in the current orientation where as that orientation means the sun would be low at the keepers end at some stages of the season? | |
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| The Cobbold Masterplan on 09:34 - Apr 7 with 1995 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Cobbold Masterplan on 08:28 - Apr 7 by BlueandTruesince82 |
And play at Colchester for 3 years whilst it's built? |
That would be another problem with that happening | |
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