| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. 11:41 - Jul 7 with 6774 views | giant_stow |
Heard from a friend last night- their primary school is only closing rhe classes with striking teachers and importantly, not swapping the kids around to non striking teachers. So basically, some kids have missed 8 days from strikes, while other have lost none. How's that fair on the kids? Are other schools doing that? And apart from the effect on the kids, it also seems to be a great way to punish the strikers for their non-attendance as all those days missing might well show up in class results.
Sorry if this is dull, but it just struck me as very wrong where every adult involved is making certain kids suffer. |  |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:43 - Jul 7 with 3417 views | MillsTash |
So some jobs can strike and others can't then?
EDIT - not specifically referencing to certain jobs/roles in the education. For example, is the OP saying its fine for a binman to strike but not a teacher. [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 11:48]
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:44 - Jul 7 with 3403 views | Samuelowen88 |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:43 - Jul 7 by MillsTash |
So some jobs can strike and others can't then?
EDIT - not specifically referencing to certain jobs/roles in the education. For example, is the OP saying its fine for a binman to strike but not a teacher. [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 11:48]
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Depends on the union |  |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:44 - Jul 7 with 3390 views | HARRY10 |
What about the kids of those striking teachers ?
What about the effect of years of underfunding of schools ?
Time the government stopped using the kids as a hostage and pay what is owed, as they did with court staff. |  | | |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:45 - Jul 7 with 3396 views | Herbivore |
Direct your anger at a government that has presided over real terms cuts in education budgets and hasn't given teachers a genuine pay rise in years. It's their fault that teachers are on strike. |  |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:45 - Jul 7 with 3372 views | Herbivore |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:43 - Jul 7 by MillsTash |
So some jobs can strike and others can't then?
EDIT - not specifically referencing to certain jobs/roles in the education. For example, is the OP saying its fine for a binman to strike but not a teacher. [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 11:48]
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Join a union. | |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:48 - Jul 7 with 3357 views | soupytwist |
Teachers in non striking unions, or who are deciding not to strike although their union is, can be asked but are not obliged to cover for striking colleagues.
Also, as teachers from striking unions are not obliged to notify their employers in advance of whether they intend to be at work or not on strike days it's tricky to make plans. |  | | |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:56 - Jul 7 with 3337 views | SaigonTractor |
The kids suffer more long term from underfunded schools, and underpaid teachers. |  | | |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:57 - Jul 7 with 3326 views | WeWereZombies |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:43 - Jul 7 by MillsTash |
So some jobs can strike and others can't then?
EDIT - not specifically referencing to certain jobs/roles in the education. For example, is the OP saying its fine for a binman to strike but not a teacher. [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 11:48]
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I didn't read the OP like that, more a recommendation for 'one out, all out'. |  |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:05 - Jul 7 with 3273 views | HARRY10 |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:57 - Jul 7 by WeWereZombies |
I didn't read the OP like that, more a recommendation for 'one out, all out'. |
That assumes that time in class directly equates to exam results.
From my own experience, some kids are more attuned to what is being tested than others
It has always been thus, much of the time kids spend in school is merely down to the need to 'corral' them while their parents are at work. | | | |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:07 - Jul 7 with 3258 views | J2BLUE |
I feel back for the striking teachers. It's emotional blackmail. |  |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:34 - Jul 7 with 3182 views | giant_stow |
Just to be clear, I support the teachers strike, but am just concerned at how some kids are baring the brunt and after missing all that time from Covid too. | |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:39 - Jul 7 with 3159 views | Herbivore |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:34 - Jul 7 by giant_stow |
Just to be clear, I support the teachers strike, but am just concerned at how some kids are baring the brunt and after missing all that time from Covid too. |
But you can't have it both ways though. Teachers striking will impact children, that's the hard truth of it, and it's why teachers rarely strike and are doing so now as a last resort. If children are impacted it's because the government doesn't care about them, not because their teachers don't care. Caring about the kids is about the only thing that keeps them in the profession, there aren't any other good reasons to be a teacher these days. | |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:45 - Jul 7 with 3128 views | giant_stow |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:39 - Jul 7 by Herbivore |
But you can't have it both ways though. Teachers striking will impact children, that's the hard truth of it, and it's why teachers rarely strike and are doing so now as a last resort. If children are impacted it's because the government doesn't care about them, not because their teachers don't care. Caring about the kids is about the only thing that keeps them in the profession, there aren't any other good reasons to be a teacher these days. |
While you're basically right, but I'd like to see all schools do what my kid's does and put on skeleton classes for kids who really need to be there for one reason or another. (this isn't a selfish thing btw - my boy's sat in the other room playing Fifa) | |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:45 - Jul 7 with 3129 views | BlueNomad |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:39 - Jul 7 by Herbivore |
But you can't have it both ways though. Teachers striking will impact children, that's the hard truth of it, and it's why teachers rarely strike and are doing so now as a last resort. If children are impacted it's because the government doesn't care about them, not because their teachers don't care. Caring about the kids is about the only thing that keeps them in the profession, there aren't any other good reasons to be a teacher these days. |
The M*il readership types won't see it that way unfortunately. Does anyone think they care about teachers when all they care about is the inconvenience caused to them and their family and always blame employees instead of their ultimate paymasters? [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 12:46]
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:47 - Jul 7 with 3109 views | giant_stow |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:45 - Jul 7 by BlueNomad |
The M*il readership types won't see it that way unfortunately. Does anyone think they care about teachers when all they care about is the inconvenience caused to them and their family and always blame employees instead of their ultimate paymasters? [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 12:46]
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Yeah, i think that view is almost as unhelpful as something the Mail would say. This isn't a black and white issue and the 'inconvenienced' aren't robust adults who will just have to work around it - they're kids who's lives have already been fcked about enormously in the last few years. | |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:50 - Jul 7 with 3091 views | BlueNomad |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:47 - Jul 7 by giant_stow |
Yeah, i think that view is almost as unhelpful as something the Mail would say. This isn't a black and white issue and the 'inconvenienced' aren't robust adults who will just have to work around it - they're kids who's lives have already been fcked about enormously in the last few years. |
You need to see the resilience the majority of kids have shown. | | | |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:51 - Jul 7 with 3093 views | CBBlue |
Those non-striking teachers won't be scabs and cover for the striking ones so the schools can't just swap teachers around. Same as TAs can be asked to cover but won't for the same reason. Whether they're stiking or not I think all teachers support their striking colleagues and what they are striking about.
My son is one of those (in his view) unlucky ones as his teacher hasn't striked at all - feel for him today stuck in a classroom while half his school are swanning around the village in this glorious sunshine. | |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:55 - Jul 7 with 3071 views | giant_stow |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:50 - Jul 7 by BlueNomad |
You need to see the resilience the majority of kids have shown. |
There's truth in that, but some have been badly damaged I think. | |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:57 - Jul 7 with 3061 views | giant_stow |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:51 - Jul 7 by CBBlue |
Those non-striking teachers won't be scabs and cover for the striking ones so the schools can't just swap teachers around. Same as TAs can be asked to cover but won't for the same reason. Whether they're stiking or not I think all teachers support their striking colleagues and what they are striking about.
My son is one of those (in his view) unlucky ones as his teacher hasn't striked at all - feel for him today stuck in a classroom while half his school are swanning around the village in this glorious sunshine. |
That's what seems to be happening in my school - scabs or people making a different judgement call on what matters most?
Having said that though, it never occurred to me that they might be considered scabs, so it explains my friend's situ in the OP. | |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 13:17 - Jul 7 with 3006 views | Illinoisblue |
Thinking all the way back to 1988 or 1989 when the NASUWT and NUT were in full strike mode. Can’t recall if us Stoke High kids just stayed home or if we all got packed into the gym instead of lessons. |  |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 13:18 - Jul 7 with 3000 views | Herbivore |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 12:45 - Jul 7 by giant_stow |
While you're basically right, but I'd like to see all schools do what my kid's does and put on skeleton classes for kids who really need to be there for one reason or another. (this isn't a selfish thing btw - my boy's sat in the other room playing Fifa) |
Not all schools will be able to do that though. Some schools might have all of their teachers striking, some might only have one or two. Where they have some staff then they have to make a judgement call, is it viable and safe to have one teacher overseeing 70 kids if they combine two classes into one, for example? | |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 13:18 - Jul 7 with 2999 views | lowhouseblue |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 11:45 - Jul 7 by Herbivore |
Direct your anger at a government that has presided over real terms cuts in education budgets and hasn't given teachers a genuine pay rise in years. It's their fault that teachers are on strike. |
for 5 to 16 year olds in 2010/11 funding per pupil was £6,700 in 2022-23 prices. in 2023/24 it's £7,220 in 2022-23 prices. so it's more complex than that. |  |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 13:24 - Jul 7 with 2963 views | giant_stow |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 13:17 - Jul 7 by Illinoisblue |
Thinking all the way back to 1988 or 1989 when the NASUWT and NUT were in full strike mode. Can’t recall if us Stoke High kids just stayed home or if we all got packed into the gym instead of lessons. |
I think I remember that strike (or at least one like it). I was off school for 3 days every week for about 7 or 8 weeks. The local cafe that i went to for lunch was ready to call the social on me!
I used to watch schools telly for light relief - the Brunel challenge was an old favourite. | |
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 13:27 - Jul 7 with 2942 views | Herbivore |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 13:18 - Jul 7 by lowhouseblue |
for 5 to 16 year olds in 2010/11 funding per pupil was £6,700 in 2022-23 prices. in 2023/24 it's £7,220 in 2022-23 prices. so it's more complex than that. |
You've trimmed away some context there:
"When adjusted for inflation, funding per pupil was broadly flat between 2010-11 and 2015-16 at about £6,700 in 2022-23 prices. It then fell by 3.8% over 2016-17 and 2017-18, but subsequently increased by 1.3% over 2018-19 and 2019-20. Since then, funding has increased by 10.3% over the course of the following four years, reaching £7,220 in 2023-24 (in 2022-23 prices)."
So funding has only just increased in real terms after more than a decade where funding stagnated and was cut.
This is against a backdrop of cuts to a range of other support services, particularly early years services like SureStart, that have had a range of knock on impacts on school age children.
Edit - this article highlights how real terms funding declined throughout the 2010s and that the investment of the last 2-3 years just about gets us back to where we were more than a decade ago: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/19/education-spending-fall-from-2 [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 13:31]
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| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 13:35 - Jul 7 with 2910 views | lowhouseblue |
| Hiw some school's are handling the teachers strike. on 13:27 - Jul 7 by Herbivore |
You've trimmed away some context there:
"When adjusted for inflation, funding per pupil was broadly flat between 2010-11 and 2015-16 at about £6,700 in 2022-23 prices. It then fell by 3.8% over 2016-17 and 2017-18, but subsequently increased by 1.3% over 2018-19 and 2019-20. Since then, funding has increased by 10.3% over the course of the following four years, reaching £7,220 in 2023-24 (in 2022-23 prices)."
So funding has only just increased in real terms after more than a decade where funding stagnated and was cut.
This is against a backdrop of cuts to a range of other support services, particularly early years services like SureStart, that have had a range of knock on impacts on school age children.
Edit - this article highlights how real terms funding declined throughout the 2010s and that the investment of the last 2-3 years just about gets us back to where we were more than a decade ago: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/19/education-spending-fall-from-2 [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 13:31]
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yes it is definitely more complex. but we are at a point where per capita spending in real terms is rising quite quickly. the fiscal position isn't now one of austerity by any means, and, as you say, compared to other services schools have seen relatively stable funding. we're in a position where the next government is going to need to find substantially more for schools in real terms than at the end of the blair governments (when spending was already high) in order to have any impact. | |
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