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Tory or Labour policy? 15:52 - Jul 30 with 3395 viewsDJR

The xxxx party backs tenants’ right to buy social housing to “extend wealth ownership”, but does not support rent controls.

Now I must admit this had passed me by but an article in yesterday's Times alerted me to this.

And the answer is the Labour Party.

Now I don't know what others think (and I fully understand people's desire to own their own home) but it is not clear to me that the tenure of one's property is at the root of the UK's housing issues. Instead, lack of supply, and especially lack of affordable housing, is the real issue, something that could be made worse by such a policy. And whilst those able to take advantage of the right to buy will benefit, what about those not in such a fortunate position because they are in the private sector or can't afford to buy, especially if rent controls are to be ruled out?

EDIT: I was wrong to imply tenure is not an issue for those at the mercy of private landlords, given security of tenure has long been abolished.



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Tory or Labour policy? on 16:45 - Jul 30 with 2104 viewsHARRY10

Housing is not issued, unless the local authority allocatess you a property.

Flogging off council houses was just a means of getting votes with NO thought for the consequences. Those that bought their house in the 80's, did not pass it on as a family home as to all too often their children had moved away, and it made sense to sell and split the proceeds.

Given that those house would then fetch a market they, they often ended up being bought for second/holidays homes. With many now used as AirBNBs. I read figures recently that showed were all these types of properties returned to owner-occupier or rented there would be an end to the current housing problem.

You cannot expect a party with the short term view of the Tories to even care about this, never mind do anything about it. So we see billions every year poured into the pockets of unscrupulous landlords to house people in substandard housing. Money that could, and should, be spent building houses.

Try reading the Times/Telegraph/ Mail where they pander to this stupidity by referring to any method, however minor, to address this problem as an act akin to child murder. You then have to read the Green Party's views on building houses to see the major hurdle to over come.

There are very few votes in building homes (homes). It matters little if huge numbers are stuck in one part of the country, unable to move to where the work is. It matters little to many if it is fcking up the economy, it's votes what counts. And that is why the absurd prime miniature is now pandering to older voters over motoring.

Fck those under 45, {i]''we've had the good times' and we are not paying for the consequences of our actions"
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Tory or Labour policy? on 18:18 - Jul 30 with 2060 viewsjayessess

Honestly, the decline of the social housing relative to the private rental sector is one of the biggest social policy disasters in modern history. Britain spent most of the 20th Century basically eliminating private renting for all but a small fraction of households, got to the stage where 90% of the population lived with a decent amount of housing security, either in owner-occupation or social housing, then decided to bring back mass private renting with all its malevolent effects on health, poverty, social mobility, general insecurity.

Absolute insanity.

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Tory or Labour policy? on 18:49 - Jul 30 with 2025 viewsMullet

Tory or Labour policy? on 18:18 - Jul 30 by jayessess

Honestly, the decline of the social housing relative to the private rental sector is one of the biggest social policy disasters in modern history. Britain spent most of the 20th Century basically eliminating private renting for all but a small fraction of households, got to the stage where 90% of the population lived with a decent amount of housing security, either in owner-occupation or social housing, then decided to bring back mass private renting with all its malevolent effects on health, poverty, social mobility, general insecurity.

Absolute insanity.


Did Britain decide or did Thatcher/Neo-liberalism? It seems very much in line with American Dream type rhetoric, Murray et al. So was it more a right-wing populism movement or a genuine swell of appeal for it from the public?

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Tory or Labour policy? on 19:09 - Jul 30 with 1997 viewsjayessess

Tory or Labour policy? on 18:49 - Jul 30 by Mullet

Did Britain decide or did Thatcher/Neo-liberalism? It seems very much in line with American Dream type rhetoric, Murray et al. So was it more a right-wing populism movement or a genuine swell of appeal for it from the public?


a little from Column A and a little from Column B?

The neo-liberal idea that literally everything works better as a private sector free market definitely captured Britain's political institutions in a way that made it near impossible to choose anything else.

But also lots of British people genuinely were pretty enthusiastic about selling off council houses, demonising social housing and social tenants, as well as the fundamental idea of housing as an investment asset rather than basic necessity.

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Tory or Labour policy? on 19:14 - Jul 30 with 1984 viewsMullet

Tory or Labour policy? on 19:09 - Jul 30 by jayessess

a little from Column A and a little from Column B?

The neo-liberal idea that literally everything works better as a private sector free market definitely captured Britain's political institutions in a way that made it near impossible to choose anything else.

But also lots of British people genuinely were pretty enthusiastic about selling off council houses, demonising social housing and social tenants, as well as the fundamental idea of housing as an investment asset rather than basic necessity.


I grew up on a council estate which had been sold off in large chunks, whilst my Grandparents rented theirs until their deaths.

We seem to have a population more obsessed with owning property than most places, and I saw a stat today saying if we were in the States we'd have "California prices on Mississippi wages" due to the economic downturn.

We have a lot of families made/on the cusp of homelessness where I work and I can't see any solutions but mass government building projects.

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Tory or Labour policy? on 19:24 - Jul 30 with 1950 viewsjayessess

Tory or Labour policy? on 19:14 - Jul 30 by Mullet

I grew up on a council estate which had been sold off in large chunks, whilst my Grandparents rented theirs until their deaths.

We seem to have a population more obsessed with owning property than most places, and I saw a stat today saying if we were in the States we'd have "California prices on Mississippi wages" due to the economic downturn.

We have a lot of families made/on the cusp of homelessness where I work and I can't see any solutions but mass government building projects.


Totally agree, only real way that you can actually get homes that address actual social need - the right housing, in the right places, at affordable rents for the people who need it.

The fashionable idea that you can just loosen planning regulations a bit and the market will self-correct is just a delusional fantasy.

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Tory or Labour policy? on 21:20 - Jul 30 with 1862 viewsHARRY10

Tory or Labour policy? on 19:24 - Jul 30 by jayessess

Totally agree, only real way that you can actually get homes that address actual social need - the right housing, in the right places, at affordable rents for the people who need it.

The fashionable idea that you can just loosen planning regulations a bit and the market will self-correct is just a delusional fantasy.


That delusional fantasy is what has kept the Tories in power for years. The same delusion they sold to thickos about brexit.

Unlike the god squad who promise you all manner of delight when you die, if you just do as you are told when here. Accept the shi tty end of the stick then, hey presto. Pop your clogs and it is a life of eternal ease.

How can money be made from the rest of us ? Simple, just take what they own and give a small bit back.

"Gosh, that Dick Turpin is a great chap. He might have taken all our jewellery, but he did hand bank those two brass rings I had"

Large numbers of former council houses in London are now owned by private investment companies. Often owned by companies registered offshore. Meaning councils are having to rent back (to house locals) for far more than any cost when they owned them. What happened to all the money raised by those sales ?

However, this does not worry the thickos. Just as having most of our utilities owned by foreign state run companies. Take back control ? Yeh, by letting the EU countries take the subsidies and profits.

An East European care worker on minimum wage and stealing our jobs.... booo

Ivan the terrible, Russian Oligarch, owns an unknown amount of property in London and earns money from owning 'investments' in former council houses..... hooray.

"Another donation to the Party, spasiba Tsarevich."


Some look back in history and wonder. How did so many fall for the obvious lies of Hitler and Mussolini. Or the weird medical treatments and laws back in the Middle Ages. Well, I can only imagine future generations will look back to these times and wonder

"What the fck were they thinking ?"

It should have been obvious that allowing someone to make off with what is yours will not end well. And actually voting to have lower wages and worse conditions is not going to end well either.

Was it really them (Tories) or was it the thickos among us who could (would) not see something as obvious as a trail of nuts leading a pig back into its pen ?
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Tory or Labour policy? on 08:45 - Jul 31 with 1725 viewsDJR

Tory or Labour policy? on 18:49 - Jul 30 by Mullet

Did Britain decide or did Thatcher/Neo-liberalism? It seems very much in line with American Dream type rhetoric, Murray et al. So was it more a right-wing populism movement or a genuine swell of appeal for it from the public?


My view is that it was Mrs Thatcher's version of neoliberalism. As well as believing private good/public bad (hence the sale of council houses, the creation of non-secure tenancies and the abolition of rent controls), I believe she saw the sale of council houses as a way of defeating the left, and ensuring a generation of Tory voters.

Indeed, being around at the time, I am not aware of any groundswell for it from the public before it was announced.
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Tory or Labour policy? on 08:48 - Jul 31 with 1706 viewsElderGrizzly

Tory or Labour policy? on 19:14 - Jul 30 by Mullet

I grew up on a council estate which had been sold off in large chunks, whilst my Grandparents rented theirs until their deaths.

We seem to have a population more obsessed with owning property than most places, and I saw a stat today saying if we were in the States we'd have "California prices on Mississippi wages" due to the economic downturn.

We have a lot of families made/on the cusp of homelessness where I work and I can't see any solutions but mass government building projects.


And of course this absolute shower just gave back to the Treasury £1.9bn meant to help build those houses

Socio-political vandalism in plain sight by the Tories.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/12/gove-department-hands-back-19bn-
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Tory or Labour policy? on 08:52 - Jul 31 with 1703 viewsDJR

Tory or Labour policy? on 19:14 - Jul 30 by Mullet

I grew up on a council estate which had been sold off in large chunks, whilst my Grandparents rented theirs until their deaths.

We seem to have a population more obsessed with owning property than most places, and I saw a stat today saying if we were in the States we'd have "California prices on Mississippi wages" due to the economic downturn.

We have a lot of families made/on the cusp of homelessness where I work and I can't see any solutions but mass government building projects.


I think the obsession with home ownership, and corresponding increases in house prices, have not been good for the economy because a lot of growth (in the form of consumer spending and housing extensions etc) is fuelled by increasing house prices. Such growth is not really genuine productive growth.

But both Labour and Conservative governments have been happy to go along with this.
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Tory or Labour policy? on 09:52 - Jul 31 with 1637 viewsSwansea_Blue

Tory or Labour policy? on 08:48 - Jul 31 by ElderGrizzly

And of course this absolute shower just gave back to the Treasury £1.9bn meant to help build those houses

Socio-political vandalism in plain sight by the Tories.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/12/gove-department-hands-back-19bn-


It never ceases to amaze me how many people buy into the lie that Gove is a good one. True, he’s more competent than a lot of the higher profile Tory ministers of recent times, but that’s not exactly difficult. He’s also a duplicitous little sh*tweasel. “Levelling up” always was and will be a load of rubbish under this lot. It’s a PR slogan to replace the need for competent government, like so much of what they do.

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Tory or Labour policy? on 10:17 - Jul 31 with 1589 viewsRyorry

Agree with your OP but your edit is incorrect. There’s new legislation due to come in (next year iirc but not sure) making long term security of tenure mandatory in both public and private sectors.

This is quite worrying for some good landlords, as their ability to remove any tenants from hell (non rent paying, property-trashing, antisocial behaviour ones) will be severely diminished, with no satisfactory legal mechanism for this yet provided. Consequently many good landlords are considering quitting, which would of course worsen the situation even further.

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Tory or Labour policy? on 10:47 - Jul 31 with 1550 viewsDJR

Tory or Labour policy? on 10:17 - Jul 31 by Ryorry

Agree with your OP but your edit is incorrect. There’s new legislation due to come in (next year iirc but not sure) making long term security of tenure mandatory in both public and private sectors.

This is quite worrying for some good landlords, as their ability to remove any tenants from hell (non rent paying, property-trashing, antisocial behaviour ones) will be severely diminished, with no satisfactory legal mechanism for this yet provided. Consequently many good landlords are considering quitting, which would of course worsen the situation even further.


I tend to keep an eye on this sort of thing but am not aware of this legislation. Can you point me in the right direction?
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Tory or Labour policy? on 10:54 - Jul 31 with 1525 viewsRyorry

Tory or Labour policy? on 10:47 - Jul 31 by DJR

I tend to keep an eye on this sort of thing but am not aware of this legislation. Can you point me in the right direction?


An email in full dated 17/05/2023 from the NRLA - (looks like 18 months at least before it comes into effect).

"Dear

The long-expected Renters (Reform) Bill has finally been published, proposing the most significant reform of the private rented sector in England in over 30 years.

What does the Bill cover?

The Bill includes proposals to:

Abolish Section 21 and move to a tenancy structure in which all tenancies are periodic.
Reform possession grounds, including mandatory grounds for possession where a landlord intends to sell or in cases of repeated rent arrears.
Create a new property Ombudsman to settle disputes and relieve pressure on the courts, which private landlords must join.
Implement a digital Property Portal to better inform tenants and landlords of their rights and obligations and assist local councils in carrying out their enforcement duties.
Establish a statutory right for tenants to request a pet.
The NRLA has campaigned for positive change to the original proposals outlined in the Government’s White Paper ‘A Fairer Private Rented Sector’, published last year, and is pleased the Government has adopted NRLA proposals to:

Focus action on tackling anti-social tenants and those not paying their rent.
Improve the speed of court repossession hearings through better use of digital platforms.
Ensure better reporting by councils on their enforcement action to root out rogue and criminal landlords.
However, more will still be required if landlords are to have confidence in the new system. The NRLA will continue to engage constructively with the Government during the passage of the Bill to try and ensure that:

Student landlords can still continue to offer homes at the start of each academic year.
The details of the proposals work for landlords.
Implementation of the reforms does not unduly disrupt landlords’ businesses; and
The courts are resourced well enough to prevent delays.
What does it mean?

While we accept Section 21 repossessions will end, we are disappointed with the level of detail provided as to what will replace it. The Government statement assures landlords it will make it easier for landlords to repossess in cases of rent arrears and anti-social behaviour, however the ‘when’ and ‘how’ are conspicuous by their absence. The Government needs to ensure that responsible landlords have confidence that they can swiftly and effectively repossess properties where there are legitimate grounds.

Without retaining landlord confidence, the Bill will only worsen the supply crisis tenants face today.

To support landlords, the NRLA will also continue to call on the Government to develop a comprehensive plan to improve the speed and efficiency with which the courts process possession claims. While it is a positive development that the Government accepted NRLA calls to digitise cases, the court system also requires additional staff to meet the needs of these reforms.

In addition, it is crucial that the Government addresses the significant concerns of landlords regarding the introduction of open-ended tenancies for students. The inability to plan around the academic year raises uncertainty and may lead to a shortage of available rental properties for students. It is essential that the Government takes these concerns seriously and addresses them with suitable solutions.

We would like to assure members that we will continue to work with the Government, MPs, and Peers to ensure that the Bill is workable and fair for both responsible landlords and tenants alike.

What happens next?

For now, nothing will change. In the coming months, the contents of the Bill will be subject to debate in the House of Commons and House of Lords. During these debates, clauses may be added, amended, or removed. To provide a better understanding of the process, we have produced a short article outlining the likely route the Bill will take before it receives Royal Assent.

It is likely to be 18 months before any of these reforms come into effect, and some elements of the Bill will take much longer to implement.

How can you find out more?

The NRLA is hosting a series of exclusive member only webinars to provide insights into the key proposals included in the legislation and answer any questions you may have.

Follow the Bill's progress

To help you stay up to date with the latest developments regarding the Renters Reform Bill, we will regularly share updates on our website, social media channels, enews, and monthly bulletins. We encourage all our members to subscribe to these communications to stay informed of any changes. We will also appear across national media to discuss the plans and the need to strike a careful balance between greater tenant rights and retaining the confidence of landlords.

As the Bill progresses, the NRLA will continue to engage with the Government and parliamentarians to address the concerns and interests of our members. You can add your voice to these efforts by reaching out to your local MP over the issues that matter most to you. Together, we can shape the future of the private rented sector in England.

Kind regards,

Ben Beadle
NRLA CEO"

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Tory or Labour policy? on 11:15 - Jul 31 with 1500 viewsDJR

Tory or Labour policy? on 10:54 - Jul 31 by Ryorry

An email in full dated 17/05/2023 from the NRLA - (looks like 18 months at least before it comes into effect).

"Dear

The long-expected Renters (Reform) Bill has finally been published, proposing the most significant reform of the private rented sector in England in over 30 years.

What does the Bill cover?

The Bill includes proposals to:

Abolish Section 21 and move to a tenancy structure in which all tenancies are periodic.
Reform possession grounds, including mandatory grounds for possession where a landlord intends to sell or in cases of repeated rent arrears.
Create a new property Ombudsman to settle disputes and relieve pressure on the courts, which private landlords must join.
Implement a digital Property Portal to better inform tenants and landlords of their rights and obligations and assist local councils in carrying out their enforcement duties.
Establish a statutory right for tenants to request a pet.
The NRLA has campaigned for positive change to the original proposals outlined in the Government’s White Paper ‘A Fairer Private Rented Sector’, published last year, and is pleased the Government has adopted NRLA proposals to:

Focus action on tackling anti-social tenants and those not paying their rent.
Improve the speed of court repossession hearings through better use of digital platforms.
Ensure better reporting by councils on their enforcement action to root out rogue and criminal landlords.
However, more will still be required if landlords are to have confidence in the new system. The NRLA will continue to engage constructively with the Government during the passage of the Bill to try and ensure that:

Student landlords can still continue to offer homes at the start of each academic year.
The details of the proposals work for landlords.
Implementation of the reforms does not unduly disrupt landlords’ businesses; and
The courts are resourced well enough to prevent delays.
What does it mean?

While we accept Section 21 repossessions will end, we are disappointed with the level of detail provided as to what will replace it. The Government statement assures landlords it will make it easier for landlords to repossess in cases of rent arrears and anti-social behaviour, however the ‘when’ and ‘how’ are conspicuous by their absence. The Government needs to ensure that responsible landlords have confidence that they can swiftly and effectively repossess properties where there are legitimate grounds.

Without retaining landlord confidence, the Bill will only worsen the supply crisis tenants face today.

To support landlords, the NRLA will also continue to call on the Government to develop a comprehensive plan to improve the speed and efficiency with which the courts process possession claims. While it is a positive development that the Government accepted NRLA calls to digitise cases, the court system also requires additional staff to meet the needs of these reforms.

In addition, it is crucial that the Government addresses the significant concerns of landlords regarding the introduction of open-ended tenancies for students. The inability to plan around the academic year raises uncertainty and may lead to a shortage of available rental properties for students. It is essential that the Government takes these concerns seriously and addresses them with suitable solutions.

We would like to assure members that we will continue to work with the Government, MPs, and Peers to ensure that the Bill is workable and fair for both responsible landlords and tenants alike.

What happens next?

For now, nothing will change. In the coming months, the contents of the Bill will be subject to debate in the House of Commons and House of Lords. During these debates, clauses may be added, amended, or removed. To provide a better understanding of the process, we have produced a short article outlining the likely route the Bill will take before it receives Royal Assent.

It is likely to be 18 months before any of these reforms come into effect, and some elements of the Bill will take much longer to implement.

How can you find out more?

The NRLA is hosting a series of exclusive member only webinars to provide insights into the key proposals included in the legislation and answer any questions you may have.

Follow the Bill's progress

To help you stay up to date with the latest developments regarding the Renters Reform Bill, we will regularly share updates on our website, social media channels, enews, and monthly bulletins. We encourage all our members to subscribe to these communications to stay informed of any changes. We will also appear across national media to discuss the plans and the need to strike a careful balance between greater tenant rights and retaining the confidence of landlords.

As the Bill progresses, the NRLA will continue to engage with the Government and parliamentarians to address the concerns and interests of our members. You can add your voice to these efforts by reaching out to your local MP over the issues that matter most to you. Together, we can shape the future of the private rented sector in England.

Kind regards,

Ben Beadle
NRLA CEO"


Yes, I'd just come across that myself.

The Bill was introduced to Parliament on 17 May.

The following provides a brief explanation of its effects.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/guide-to-the-renters-reform-bill

And the following provides more details on the tenancy reforms.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tenancy-reform-renters-reform-bill

With an election in the offing, and opposition from Landlords' associations, I am inclined to think it won't see the light of day, even though, whilst an improvement, I don't think it is that radical, especially as it appears to keep all the non-non-fault grounds, and perhaps even throws in others (deterioration of furniture?).



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Tory or Labour policy? on 11:33 - Jul 31 with 1469 viewsjayessess

Tory or Labour policy? on 10:17 - Jul 31 by Ryorry

Agree with your OP but your edit is incorrect. There’s new legislation due to come in (next year iirc but not sure) making long term security of tenure mandatory in both public and private sectors.

This is quite worrying for some good landlords, as their ability to remove any tenants from hell (non rent paying, property-trashing, antisocial behaviour ones) will be severely diminished, with no satisfactory legal mechanism for this yet provided. Consequently many good landlords are considering quitting, which would of course worsen the situation even further.


Don't need Section 21 evictions to evict non-rent paying tenants. Honestly, the paranoia of the landlord lobby about getting stitched up by our House of Commons that's full of landlords is bizarre to me. Hard to think of a group of people with more political representation in this country.

People have been threatening a mass exodus from the private rental sector for a very long time and it never materialises (ultimately, between the rent and the asset there's just too much money to be made). Maybe interest rates will force people out, who knows? Ultimately not such an issue in any case, landlord exit doesn't actually mean the houses dissolve, they just go back into the housing market!

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Tory or Labour policy? on 11:51 - Jul 31 with 1432 viewsDJR

Tory or Labour policy? on 09:52 - Jul 31 by Swansea_Blue

It never ceases to amaze me how many people buy into the lie that Gove is a good one. True, he’s more competent than a lot of the higher profile Tory ministers of recent times, but that’s not exactly difficult. He’s also a duplicitous little sh*tweasel. “Levelling up” always was and will be a load of rubbish under this lot. It’s a PR slogan to replace the need for competent government, like so much of what they do.


I posted this elsewhere but Gove (for all his so-called cleverness) made a complete fool of himself in this interview during the last election. He was completely outsmarted by the totally calm journalist, and resorted on occasions to waffling and uttering complete nonsense. It's well worth watching in full, and I think the look between them at the end indicated they both knew he had been outsmarted.

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Tory or Labour policy? on 12:24 - Jul 31 with 1366 viewsRyorry

Tory or Labour policy? on 11:33 - Jul 31 by jayessess

Don't need Section 21 evictions to evict non-rent paying tenants. Honestly, the paranoia of the landlord lobby about getting stitched up by our House of Commons that's full of landlords is bizarre to me. Hard to think of a group of people with more political representation in this country.

People have been threatening a mass exodus from the private rental sector for a very long time and it never materialises (ultimately, between the rent and the asset there's just too much money to be made). Maybe interest rates will force people out, who knows? Ultimately not such an issue in any case, landlord exit doesn't actually mean the houses dissolve, they just go back into the housing market!


Try listening to those individual landlords who've tried going through the process of getting shot of tenants from hell even with the current more stringent legislation in place to do so. Months and months of nightmare.

You need to keep up - I don't have the figures to hand (will look later if time), but many landlords have already sold up. Wouldn't it be lovely if those properties went back on the market at affordable prices for young or first-time buyers ... (probably about as likely as Sunak & co. deciding to embark on a mass public-homes building policy).

Absolutely massive difference between "professional" landlords running huge portfolios as a business, and the large number of individuals with just one or two properties to let, often attached to their own homes, or in their gardens.

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Tory or Labour policy? on 12:32 - Jul 31 with 1349 viewsRyorry

Tory or Labour policy? on 11:15 - Jul 31 by DJR

Yes, I'd just come across that myself.

The Bill was introduced to Parliament on 17 May.

The following provides a brief explanation of its effects.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/guide-to-the-renters-reform-bill

And the following provides more details on the tenancy reforms.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tenancy-reform-renters-reform-bill

With an election in the offing, and opposition from Landlords' associations, I am inclined to think it won't see the light of day, even though, whilst an improvement, I don't think it is that radical, especially as it appears to keep all the non-non-fault grounds, and perhaps even throws in others (deterioration of furniture?).



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From what I've read, it seems very likely to go through & become law.

I'd be quite happy with that as long as there's a balance with sufficient protection for good landlords too. If there isn't, I too would quit - and as my let is an annexe attached to the house, I wouldn't sell it - might need it for a carer at some future point, which is one reason I bought the house.

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Tory or Labour policy? on 12:54 - Jul 31 with 1307 viewsHARRY10

Tory or Labour policy? on 12:24 - Jul 31 by Ryorry

Try listening to those individual landlords who've tried going through the process of getting shot of tenants from hell even with the current more stringent legislation in place to do so. Months and months of nightmare.

You need to keep up - I don't have the figures to hand (will look later if time), but many landlords have already sold up. Wouldn't it be lovely if those properties went back on the market at affordable prices for young or first-time buyers ... (probably about as likely as Sunak & co. deciding to embark on a mass public-homes building policy).

Absolutely massive difference between "professional" landlords running huge portfolios as a business, and the large number of individuals with just one or two properties to let, often attached to their own homes, or in their gardens.


Who have they 'sold up' to ?
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Tory or Labour policy? on 12:56 - Jul 31 with 1301 viewsRyorry

Tory or Labour policy? on 12:54 - Jul 31 by HARRY10

Who have they 'sold up' to ?


I don't know any of them & have no idea.
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Tory or Labour policy? on 13:00 - Jul 31 with 1274 viewsHARRY10

Tory or Labour policy? on 12:56 - Jul 31 by Ryorry

I don't know any of them & have no idea.
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Not the specific name, but whether it's another landlord or someone buying the property as a home.
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Tory or Labour policy? on 13:09 - Jul 31 with 1266 viewsjayessess

Tory or Labour policy? on 12:24 - Jul 31 by Ryorry

Try listening to those individual landlords who've tried going through the process of getting shot of tenants from hell even with the current more stringent legislation in place to do so. Months and months of nightmare.

You need to keep up - I don't have the figures to hand (will look later if time), but many landlords have already sold up. Wouldn't it be lovely if those properties went back on the market at affordable prices for young or first-time buyers ... (probably about as likely as Sunak & co. deciding to embark on a mass public-homes building policy).

Absolutely massive difference between "professional" landlords running huge portfolios as a business, and the large number of individuals with just one or two properties to let, often attached to their own homes, or in their gardens.


It's not unreasonable that the process for making someone homeless takes a few months and worth contemplating from a social policy perspective what constitutes "a nightmare" for a landlord (owner of a substantial asset, usually in addition to their own home) and a tenant (usually the owner of very little).

There's no figures indicating a mass exodus of landlords. The total number of rental properties has remained steady over the last 12 months (there has been a decline of available properties, but that's about demand, not supply). Some of the worst landlords I've ever had were small landlords, so I'm not sure why tenants would have a preference either way.

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Tory or Labour policy? on 13:40 - Jul 31 with 1246 viewsRyorry

Tory or Labour policy? on 13:09 - Jul 31 by jayessess

It's not unreasonable that the process for making someone homeless takes a few months and worth contemplating from a social policy perspective what constitutes "a nightmare" for a landlord (owner of a substantial asset, usually in addition to their own home) and a tenant (usually the owner of very little).

There's no figures indicating a mass exodus of landlords. The total number of rental properties has remained steady over the last 12 months (there has been a decline of available properties, but that's about demand, not supply). Some of the worst landlords I've ever had were small landlords, so I'm not sure why tenants would have a preference either way.


It’s totally unreasonable if the landlord is being subjected to months of vile abuse, harassment, sleeplessness and live next door to the nightmare tenant/s, as happened to me (luckily only once in 10 years). Nor would they have been made homeless by a swifter eviction.
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Tory or Labour policy? on 13:42 - Jul 31 with 1243 viewsDJR

Tory or Labour policy? on 13:09 - Jul 31 by jayessess

It's not unreasonable that the process for making someone homeless takes a few months and worth contemplating from a social policy perspective what constitutes "a nightmare" for a landlord (owner of a substantial asset, usually in addition to their own home) and a tenant (usually the owner of very little).

There's no figures indicating a mass exodus of landlords. The total number of rental properties has remained steady over the last 12 months (there has been a decline of available properties, but that's about demand, not supply). Some of the worst landlords I've ever had were small landlords, so I'm not sure why tenants would have a preference either way.


The possibility of making more money by short-term lets also play a part in a lack of lettings but doesn't mean the landlord has disposed of the property.

This is from 2020, and interesting to see a high proportion of a Airbnbs in east Suffolk, which will have an impact on locals.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/20/revealed-the-areas-in-the-uk-
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