| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner 11:24 - Sep 22 with 2599 views | Keno |
and all those legends from way back |  |
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 11:36 - Sep 22 with 2566 views | _clive_baker_ |
Reminds me of those football link examples. My favourite is between Gianluigi Buffon, Peter Shilton and Stanley Matthews they've made at least one first-team appearance in every season from 1931 to 2023. |  | | |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 11:37 - Sep 22 with 2549 views | Keno |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 11:36 - Sep 22 by _clive_baker_ |
Reminds me of those football link examples. My favourite is between Gianluigi Buffon, Peter Shilton and Stanley Matthews they've made at least one first-team appearance in every season from 1931 to 2023. |
May favourite one is Robsion - Jose, Jose - McKenna | |
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 11:48 - Sep 22 with 2518 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 11:37 - Sep 22 by Keno |
May favourite one is Robsion - Jose, Jose - McKenna |
Made me think how far we can go back with 5 Town players to have overlapped (post debut, not academy). Might be wrong here but I think:
Woolfenden > Hyam > Peters > Naylor > Forrest
Takes us back to the mid 80's. | | | |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:00 - Sep 22 with 2459 views | Sharkey |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 11:48 - Sep 22 by _clive_baker_ |
Made me think how far we can go back with 5 Town players to have overlapped (post debut, not academy). Might be wrong here but I think:
Woolfenden > Hyam > Peters > Naylor > Forrest
Takes us back to the mid 80's. |
Stockwell for Forrest? Stockwell made his debut in December 85, Forrest in 87. So Stockwell would have overlapped with Terry Butcher. [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 12:03]
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:04 - Sep 22 with 2420 views | FBI |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 11:48 - Sep 22 by _clive_baker_ |
Made me think how far we can go back with 5 Town players to have overlapped (post debut, not academy). Might be wrong here but I think:
Woolfenden > Hyam > Peters > Naylor > Forrest
Takes us back to the mid 80's. |
If you drop John Wark into that, yoy can add Mick Mills or Colin Viljoen Not sure if they ever played in the same team as Ray Crawford in his second stint but that would be quite something. [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 12:07]
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:08 - Sep 22 with 2386 views | Keno |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 11:48 - Sep 22 by _clive_baker_ |
Made me think how far we can go back with 5 Town players to have overlapped (post debut, not academy). Might be wrong here but I think:
Woolfenden > Hyam > Peters > Naylor > Forrest
Takes us back to the mid 80's. |
Wolfie made his debut Apr 2018 in this team
B Bialkowski
L Woolfenden
A Webster
J Knudsen (c)
J Spence
C Connolly
T Nydam
M Kenlock
M Carayol
M Waghorn
B Folami
Knudsen goes back to 2015 played with Tommy Smith
Tommy Smith debut 2008 with Pablo
Pablo debut Aug 2001 with Matt Holland | |
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:11 - Sep 22 with 2355 views | Sharkey |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:04 - Sep 22 by FBI |
If you drop John Wark into that, yoy can add Mick Mills or Colin Viljoen Not sure if they ever played in the same team as Ray Crawford in his second stint but that would be quite something. [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 12:07]
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Yes, going back Mick Mills is surely the main man in this chain. I guess quite a few players could fill that annoying little gap (82-85) between him and Stockwell. | | | |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:14 - Sep 22 with 2343 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:08 - Sep 22 by Keno |
Wolfie made his debut Apr 2018 in this team
B Bialkowski
L Woolfenden
A Webster
J Knudsen (c)
J Spence
C Connolly
T Nydam
M Kenlock
M Carayol
M Waghorn
B Folami
Knudsen goes back to 2015 played with Tommy Smith
Tommy Smith debut 2008 with Pablo
Pablo debut Aug 2001 with Matt Holland |
Ahh I was thinking team / squad mate at the time of their debut, rather than in the actual debut team with them. | | | |
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:15 - Sep 22 with 2340 views | Metal_Hacker |
Yeah I know but it is my ONLY claim to fame BUT he also played with me for Suffolk and various local sides back in the day - lucky bloke !
Thus making me a legend I reckon Mr Keno |  |
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:16 - Sep 22 with 2332 views | Keno |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:15 - Sep 22 by Metal_Hacker |
Yeah I know but it is my ONLY claim to fame BUT he also played with me for Suffolk and various local sides back in the day - lucky bloke !
Thus making me a legend I reckon Mr Keno |
You've always been a legend to me hacky | |
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:16 - Sep 22 with 2335 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:00 - Sep 22 by Sharkey |
Stockwell for Forrest? Stockwell made his debut in December 85, Forrest in 87. So Stockwell would have overlapped with Terry Butcher. [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 12:03]
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So 4 players of separation between Woolfie and Butcher? On the basis of being in the squad together. I like it.
Butcher > Stockwell > Naylor > Peters > Hyam > Woolfie | | | |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:18 - Sep 22 with 2316 views | Keno |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:14 - Sep 22 by _clive_baker_ |
Ahh I was thinking team / squad mate at the time of their debut, rather than in the actual debut team with them. |
No worries, I was just distracted from work and went off a little ITFC goose chase
Its an intersting little exercise and beats working | |
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:18 - Sep 22 with 2299 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:16 - Sep 22 by Keno |
You've always been a legend to me hacky |
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:33 - Sep 22 with 2173 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:04 - Sep 22 by FBI |
If you drop John Wark into that, yoy can add Mick Mills or Colin Viljoen Not sure if they ever played in the same team as Ray Crawford in his second stint but that would be quite something. [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 12:07]
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Wark had a few seasons away (Liverpool and Middlesbrough), so wouldn't that break the chain? |  |
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:40 - Sep 22 with 2141 views | Sharkey |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:16 - Sep 22 by _clive_baker_ |
So 4 players of separation between Woolfie and Butcher? On the basis of being in the squad together. I like it.
Butcher > Stockwell > Naylor > Peters > Hyam > Woolfie |
Mills and Viljoen both take this back to 1966. (Viljoen may not have actually played in the same XI as Butcher, I guess.)
(Apologies, too long typing so I missed the point already made.) [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 12:42]
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:54 - Sep 22 with 2071 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
Stockwell, Yallop, Dozzell, Putney, Forrest, David Gregory, Kiwomya and even Atkinson were all about during that transitional 84-87 period as Butcher, Burley, Gates, McCall, Osman, Wark (left and came back) and Cooper all left.
There was quite a lot of continuity at the club for a long period right up until the middle of the Evans era, with the influence of Sir Bobby stretching on through the 80s with players from his youth set up coming through, and then Burley/Wark continuing to bring that influence to the 90's generation. Craig Forrest was once the understudy to Paul Cooper, and Richard Wright was the understudy to Craig Forrest, Wright had a number of spells which meant he played alongside the likes of John Wark and Aaron Cresswell. |  | | |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 13:01 - Sep 22 with 2030 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:16 - Sep 22 by _clive_baker_ |
So 4 players of separation between Woolfie and Butcher? On the basis of being in the squad together. I like it.
Butcher > Stockwell > Naylor > Peters > Hyam > Woolfie |
Wark played in the same team as Naylor, so you can replace Butcher and Stockwell with him and go back even further. |  | | |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 13:06 - Sep 22 with 1994 views | Sharkey |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:54 - Sep 22 by ChampionsofInnsbruck |
Stockwell, Yallop, Dozzell, Putney, Forrest, David Gregory, Kiwomya and even Atkinson were all about during that transitional 84-87 period as Butcher, Burley, Gates, McCall, Osman, Wark (left and came back) and Cooper all left.
There was quite a lot of continuity at the club for a long period right up until the middle of the Evans era, with the influence of Sir Bobby stretching on through the 80s with players from his youth set up coming through, and then Burley/Wark continuing to bring that influence to the 90's generation. Craig Forrest was once the understudy to Paul Cooper, and Richard Wright was the understudy to Craig Forrest, Wright had a number of spells which meant he played alongside the likes of John Wark and Aaron Cresswell. |
I reckon the 'era' of continuity lasted quite a bit longer at Town than at most clubs.
I wonder how many different team-mates Mills had in his entire Town career, and how many Woolfenden has had. Similar numbers? | | | |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 14:28 - Sep 22 with 1802 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 13:06 - Sep 22 by Sharkey |
I reckon the 'era' of continuity lasted quite a bit longer at Town than at most clubs.
I wonder how many different team-mates Mills had in his entire Town career, and how many Woolfenden has had. Similar numbers? |
John Wark played with our FA Cup/UEFA Cup and runners up twice sides, played in our 1992 2nd Div/Championship winning side, and played alongside a chunk of the players who won the Playoffs, and then a handful still remained that finished 5th in Wright, Naylor, Scowcroft ... weird when you start thinking about it. | | | |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 14:43 - Sep 22 with 1745 views | hoppy |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 12:33 - Sep 22 by ITFC_Forever |
Wark had a few seasons away (Liverpool and Middlesbrough), so wouldn't that break the chain? |
I wouldn't think so, as he's still a link between two different players that he played with. |  |
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 14:56 - Sep 22 with 1713 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 14:28 - Sep 22 by ChampionsofInnsbruck |
John Wark played with our FA Cup/UEFA Cup and runners up twice sides, played in our 1992 2nd Div/Championship winning side, and played alongside a chunk of the players who won the Playoffs, and then a handful still remained that finished 5th in Wright, Naylor, Scowcroft ... weird when you start thinking about it. |
The shortest link has to be Sivell > Stockwell > R Wright
Laurie Sivells first season at the club was 1968, he played football combination reserve games with Micky Stockwell whose last involvement with the club was the playoff final in 2000 where Richard Wright was in goal.
Wrights last Town app was 2011
43 years and just 3 players in that loop.
Gets even better as Sivell was at the club with Ray Crawford. So just 4 players linked between our league winning side and 2011. [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 14:58]
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 15:07 - Sep 22 with 1651 views | gainsboroughblue |
Thread has gone off on a slight (but good) tangent but Dozzell's debut was Mariner's last game v Coventry.
£150,000. How mugged off were we? |  |
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| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 15:14 - Sep 22 with 1637 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 15:07 - Sep 22 by gainsboroughblue |
Thread has gone off on a slight (but good) tangent but Dozzell's debut was Mariner's last game v Coventry.
£150,000. How mugged off were we? |
2 sides to look at that. The season he left Mariner had scored 11 in 23 appearances. On the other hand he was 31 and his best years behind him.
At Arsenal then Pompey his strike rate was 1 in 6.
On a completely unrelated note, I always thought we should have signed Mark Hateley as a replacement. Though, in reality all our incomings were needed to pay for Mr Pioneer. | | | |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 15:18 - Sep 22 with 1616 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Never realised Jason Dozzell played with Mariner on 15:14 - Sep 22 by burnbudgiesburn |
2 sides to look at that. The season he left Mariner had scored 11 in 23 appearances. On the other hand he was 31 and his best years behind him.
At Arsenal then Pompey his strike rate was 1 in 6.
On a completely unrelated note, I always thought we should have signed Mark Hateley as a replacement. Though, in reality all our incomings were needed to pay for Mr Pioneer. |
You're right. Every bit of cash in went towards paying for that stand. The Pioneer stand was resented for a lot of years while we had dwindling gates and a slowly declining quality squad. | |
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