| I wonder if the UK and America... 13:55 - Oct 9 with 8562 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
...will offer to airdrop food into Gaza as well as offering Israel military assistance. |  |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:00 - Oct 9 with 4289 views | baxterbasics |
Unfortunately for the people of Gaza, I am reading that a few countries that normally provide aid are withdrawing their support in the light of Hamas actions. |  |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:08 - Oct 9 with 4248 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:00 - Oct 9 by baxterbasics |
Unfortunately for the people of Gaza, I am reading that a few countries that normally provide aid are withdrawing their support in the light of Hamas actions. |
Semantics really as Israel wouldn't allow it in anyway.
Do you think Israel needs a bit more military clout to deal with things? [Post edited 9 Oct 2023 14:09]
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:16 - Oct 9 with 4209 views | JackNorthStand |
Children starving and without electricity. Obviously the ituation is more complex than any of us can fully understand but from a human perspective both sides need to get their sh*t together and stop this nonsense for the sake of life. |  | | |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:19 - Oct 9 with 4201 views | BloomBlue |
Maybe Iran who obviously have routes into Gaza for supplying weapons for Hamas can use those same routes to supply food? |  | | |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:20 - Oct 9 with 4200 views | Crawfordsboot |
Israel has announced that it is not allowing food, water or electricity into Gaza. That is a war crime against civilians, mostly children,
but our press fails to highlight the fact. |  | | |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:28 - Oct 9 with 4167 views | giant_stow |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:20 - Oct 9 by Crawfordsboot |
Israel has announced that it is not allowing food, water or electricity into Gaza. That is a war crime against civilians, mostly children,
but our press fails to highlight the fact. |
In fairness news of this seige is at least on the beeb an Guardian as is the banning of water imports, which seems particularly brutal. If it really is a total block, what will people in Gaza do to survive? Its not like the can run anywhere is it (Genuine question)? |  |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:56 - Oct 9 with 4070 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:20 - Oct 9 by Crawfordsboot |
Israel has announced that it is not allowing food, water or electricity into Gaza. That is a war crime against civilians, mostly children,
but our press fails to highlight the fact. |
Didn't our press highlight it by reporting Israel's statement?
Let's get our ducks in a row shall we? Our press isn't the problem here.
The Israeli government is punishing innocent civilians for an attack on other innocent civilians.
Thats where the problem is. |  |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:58 - Oct 9 with 4056 views | WeWereZombies |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:28 - Oct 9 by giant_stow |
In fairness news of this seige is at least on the beeb an Guardian as is the banning of water imports, which seems particularly brutal. If it really is a total block, what will people in Gaza do to survive? Its not like the can run anywhere is it (Genuine question)? |
So long as the Israeli Defence Force respects United Nations property there is:
'Mohammed Salah, from Beit Lahia neighbourhood in the north of Gaza, said he left his home and took shelter in a United Nations-run school with other families from the area.
“Last night, Israeli aeroplanes randomly bombed our area. The situation was very dangerous, so I left my home with other families,” he told Al Jazeera.'
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/8/no-place-for-gaza-residents-to-flee-aft |  |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:10 - Oct 9 with 4024 views | Ftnfwest |
To thank them for killing a number of their citizens you mean? |  | | |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:15 - Oct 9 with 4012 views | GlasgowBlue |
I would hope that the auK and US governments tried to persuade Netanyahu to stop this senseless and disproportionate response that will only lead to more innocent loss of life.
What the Israeli government is proposing to do is barbaric and constitutes a war crime. |  |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:25 - Oct 9 with 3965 views | giant_stow |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:15 - Oct 9 by GlasgowBlue |
I would hope that the auK and US governments tried to persuade Netanyahu to stop this senseless and disproportionate response that will only lead to more innocent loss of life.
What the Israeli government is proposing to do is barbaric and constitutes a war crime. |
It could also backfire on its own terms, I'd imagine - if the world is seeing starving, thirsty Gazans in a week or two, how will the other local powers respond?
The whole thing is mind-blowing. My mate from Israel was over this weekend so I got to see fear up close (his family is in Tel Aviv). He manage to get a flight back this morning, but heard from his ex-mrs also living there that some rockets have got through even there. They're not even in the south and are both usually pretty calm about the threats, but not this time. [Post edited 9 Oct 2023 15:35]
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:29 - Oct 9 with 3945 views | Radlett_blue |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:56 - Oct 9 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Didn't our press highlight it by reporting Israel's statement?
Let's get our ducks in a row shall we? Our press isn't the problem here.
The Israeli government is punishing innocent civilians for an attack on other innocent civilians.
Thats where the problem is. |
Interesting that most of the headlines seem to mention the 700 (estimated) Israeli deaths and the fact that over 500 Palestinians (presumably, mostly civilians) have died as a result of Israeli reprisals gets mentioned more as a footnote. |  |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:35 - Oct 9 with 3927 views | giant_stow |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:29 - Oct 9 by Radlett_blue |
Interesting that most of the headlines seem to mention the 700 (estimated) Israeli deaths and the fact that over 500 Palestinians (presumably, mostly civilians) have died as a result of Israeli reprisals gets mentioned more as a footnote. |
I think it might be 800 Israeli deaths now. You're right about the footnoting of Palestinian deaths. Right now, I think it's a response to the immediate horror of the Hamas attack and once the number is far higher, I'd imagine / hope the figure will get equal treatment. | |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:45 - Oct 9 with 3882 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:25 - Oct 9 by giant_stow |
It could also backfire on its own terms, I'd imagine - if the world is seeing starving, thirsty Gazans in a week or two, how will the other local powers respond?
The whole thing is mind-blowing. My mate from Israel was over this weekend so I got to see fear up close (his family is in Tel Aviv). He manage to get a flight back this morning, but heard from his ex-mrs also living there that some rockets have got through even there. They're not even in the south and are both usually pretty calm about the threats, but not this time. [Post edited 9 Oct 2023 15:35]
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Netanyahu Shoukd be in jail. He’s clinging to power in order to stay free. He’s in coalition with religious extremists and giving them a free pass in order to keep him in position.
He’s a prisoner of people like this vile individual .
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/likud-court-restores-member-who-sai | |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:52 - Oct 9 with 3849 views | pointofblue |
Until Netanyahu and his ilk are washed away by a saner brand of leadership in Israel, and until Hamas is disregarded in the same way as the IRA was in Northern Ireland, nothing will change. They’re so entrenched in their hatred and desire to completely destroy the other side, peace is not possible. | |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:58 - Oct 9 with 3830 views | Radlett_blue |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:52 - Oct 9 by pointofblue |
Until Netanyahu and his ilk are washed away by a saner brand of leadership in Israel, and until Hamas is disregarded in the same way as the IRA was in Northern Ireland, nothing will change. They’re so entrenched in their hatred and desire to completely destroy the other side, peace is not possible. |
Hmm...peace only came about in Northern Ireland when Gerry Adams of Sinn Fein/IRA agreed to share power with Ian Paisley's DUP. People there didn't trust the middle ground politicians to reach an appropriate compromise. | |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:02 - Oct 9 with 3810 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:00 - Oct 9 by baxterbasics |
Unfortunately for the people of Gaza, I am reading that a few countries that normally provide aid are withdrawing their support in the light of Hamas actions. |
EU pulling all aid.
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:10 - Oct 9 with 3761 views | pointofblue |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 15:58 - Oct 9 by Radlett_blue |
Hmm...peace only came about in Northern Ireland when Gerry Adams of Sinn Fein/IRA agreed to share power with Ian Paisley's DUP. People there didn't trust the middle ground politicians to reach an appropriate compromise. |
I was going to say I cannot see the current Israeli Givernment negotiating peace with Hamas, but I guess people said the same thing about Adams and Paisley. | |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:17 - Oct 9 with 3722 views | Blueschev |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:10 - Oct 9 by pointofblue |
I was going to say I cannot see the current Israeli Givernment negotiating peace with Hamas, but I guess people said the same thing about Adams and Paisley. |
Successive Israeli governments have had no interest in negotiating peace. Even under Rabin during the Oslo Accords, settlement building in the West Bank was increased rather than halted. |  | | |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:30 - Oct 9 with 3654 views | giant_stow |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:10 - Oct 9 by pointofblue |
I was going to say I cannot see the current Israeli Givernment negotiating peace with Hamas, but I guess people said the same thing about Adams and Paisley. |
The (ex-mrs) person I mentioned above is a left-wing Israeli and even before this war, has always been very pessimistic about there ever being a peace. She puts this down to simple demographics in that the orthodox community tends to have more kids than other groups and also tends to be more right wing on average.
Apologies if this is arguable or obvious - just something I remember her telling me. | |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:41 - Oct 9 with 3605 views | Radlett_blue |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:17 - Oct 9 by Blueschev |
Successive Israeli governments have had no interest in negotiating peace. Even under Rabin during the Oslo Accords, settlement building in the West Bank was increased rather than halted. |
Shimon Peres was the last realistic hope for a lasting peace, but he was narrowly rejected by the people. Of course, the Israelis feared that the Palestinians wouldn't stick to any agreed peace terms. | |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:44 - Oct 9 with 3590 views | baxterbasics |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:41 - Oct 9 by Radlett_blue |
Shimon Peres was the last realistic hope for a lasting peace, but he was narrowly rejected by the people. Of course, the Israelis feared that the Palestinians wouldn't stick to any agreed peace terms. |
And that's not an irrational fear either. It really isn't just a simple land dispute. | |
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:54 - Oct 9 with 3556 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 16:41 - Oct 9 by Radlett_blue |
Shimon Peres was the last realistic hope for a lasting peace, but he was narrowly rejected by the people. Of course, the Israelis feared that the Palestinians wouldn't stick to any agreed peace terms. |
And before him Ehud Barak gave the biggest offer ever at Camp David. Offered the Palestinians 98% of what they wanted . Clinton was apoplectic when Arafat rejected it. [Post edited 9 Oct 2023 17:00]
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| I wonder if the UK and America... on 17:20 - Oct 9 with 3459 views | Crawfordsboot |
| I wonder if the UK and America... on 14:56 - Oct 9 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Didn't our press highlight it by reporting Israel's statement?
Let's get our ducks in a row shall we? Our press isn't the problem here.
The Israeli government is punishing innocent civilians for an attack on other innocent civilians.
Thats where the problem is. |
No - our press simply reported what the Israelis said. They did not highlight that such actions, if taken against civilians, constitute a war crime. | | | |
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