| Don't vote Labour! 09:21 - Oct 15 with 4668 views | DJR |
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12631243/Deliberately-calling-wrong-gen
The right wing press has always lied and distorted things when it comes to Labour policies, but these days it's making up complete nonsense and straying into conspiracy theory type territory as it (thankfully unsuccessfully so far) fights the culture wars in a desperate attempt to shore up the Tory vote.
I have a free subscription to the Telegraph and in many ways it is even worse than the Mail. |  | | |  |
| Don't vote Labour! on 09:32 - Oct 15 with 3698 views | Darth_Koont |
Looks like we’d be getting some nasty people and their offensive views off the streets and off the Internet.
The trans community need and deserve protection from these people and the right-wing rags spreading hate. |  |
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| Don't vote Labour! on 09:36 - Oct 15 with 3681 views | thatbdude |
So do the Daily Fail and the Torygraph have any proof of this? Mostly likely not.
Just using bigotry and harmful lies to get votes at this point because they know they are loosing. |  |
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| Don't vote Labour! on 12:54 - Oct 15 with 3294 views | Ryorry |
They'd get a shock if they listened to Nick Gibbs, Tory MP for Bognor Regis/Littlehampton; & Minister of State for Schools then -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001rgpy
(in discussion with Nick Robinson, broadcast yesterday 17.30 on BBC R4). |  |
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| Don't vote Labour! on 13:12 - Oct 15 with 3223 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Don't vote Labour! on 12:54 - Oct 15 by Ryorry |
They'd get a shock if they listened to Nick Gibbs, Tory MP for Bognor Regis/Littlehampton; & Minister of State for Schools then -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001rgpy
(in discussion with Nick Robinson, broadcast yesterday 17.30 on BBC R4). |
Its time we had an independent body to deal with misinformation.
When papers publish plainly misleading nonsense, it is not about freedom of the press. It needs addressing. Same on social media. |  | | |
| Don't vote Labour! on 13:50 - Oct 15 with 3156 views | Meadowlark |
| Don't vote Labour! on 13:12 - Oct 15 by redrickstuhaart |
Its time we had an independent body to deal with misinformation.
When papers publish plainly misleading nonsense, it is not about freedom of the press. It needs addressing. Same on social media. |
But who polices the police........? |  | | |
| Don't vote Labour! on 13:52 - Oct 15 with 3143 views | Trequartista |
I agree several leaps have made there to conclude Labour would do this, but the examples given of arrests (under the current government) for misgendering surely need to be examined in detail to see if that was the case, as that would be quite a worrying development. |  |
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| Don't vote Labour! on 14:03 - Oct 15 with 3087 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Don't vote Labour! on 13:52 - Oct 15 by Trequartista |
I agree several leaps have made there to conclude Labour would do this, but the examples given of arrests (under the current government) for misgendering surely need to be examined in detail to see if that was the case, as that would be quite a worrying development. |
Its several big leaps... But look, they might do it and it would be bad.
Do you see the problem there?
In any event, deliberately and maliciously using someone's gender or sexuality to upset them is plainly something that it is reasonable to address... | | | |
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| Don't vote Labour! on 14:08 - Oct 15 with 3053 views | BlueOura |
They were scaremongering the other day that convicted rapists were going to be roaming the streets because all the prisons were full. It's almost as if they are making this sh!t up as they go along. |  | | |
| Don't vote Labour! on 14:15 - Oct 15 with 3028 views | Trequartista |
| Don't vote Labour! on 14:03 - Oct 15 by redrickstuhaart |
Its several big leaps... But look, they might do it and it would be bad.
Do you see the problem there?
In any event, deliberately and maliciously using someone's gender or sexuality to upset them is plainly something that it is reasonable to address... |
One should endeavour to be polite and address people as they wish to be addressed, but compelled speech enforced by law is a different matter. [Post edited 15 Oct 2023 14:15]
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| Don't vote Labour! on 14:15 - Oct 15 with 3023 views | DJR |
| Don't vote Labour! on 14:03 - Oct 15 by redrickstuhaart |
Its several big leaps... But look, they might do it and it would be bad.
Do you see the problem there?
In any event, deliberately and maliciously using someone's gender or sexuality to upset them is plainly something that it is reasonable to address... |
There is quite a high bar, as this from the article indicates, and there has to be a crime in the first place (eg. GBH, ABH, common assault, harassment, stalking). In addition, the Labour proposals extend to all LGBT+ people.
"Labour would make attacks motivated by hatred of the victim's gender identity into 'aggravated offences'. This would bring transphobic abuse into line with assault and harassment motivated by hatred on the grounds of race or religion."
The conclusion to be drawn from the article, which is clearly transphobic, is that transgender people shouldn't get the same protection as LGB people and people of a particular racial or religious group (including Christians).
How nasty is that, the upshot of which would be that you would get a greater sentence for beating up a gay person because they were gay or a black person because they were black, than a trangsender person because they were transgender? [Post edited 15 Oct 2023 14:30]
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| Don't vote Labour! on 14:23 - Oct 15 with 2969 views | DJR |
| Don't vote Labour! on 14:15 - Oct 15 by Trequartista |
One should endeavour to be polite and address people as they wish to be addressed, but compelled speech enforced by law is a different matter. [Post edited 15 Oct 2023 14:15]
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I suggest you read my post above, but clearly the aim of the article is to make people reading it think Labour's proposals are as you have interpreted them. And who can blame them? [Post edited 15 Oct 2023 14:25]
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| Don't vote Labour! on 14:41 - Oct 15 with 2907 views | Leaky |
Why would any one be persuaded by a newspaper who to vote for. I have not bought or read a newspaper since the phone hacking scandal. why not Waite until an election is called let the campaigning take its course then make an informed choice. I apologise if spelling and grammar are not correct as my keyboard is in Harry McGuire mode |  | | |
| Don't vote Labour! on 14:47 - Oct 15 with 2874 views | Cornette |
| Don't vote Labour! on 13:50 - Oct 15 by Meadowlark |
But who polices the police........? |
The coastguard? |  |
| It's triple cheese, extra cheese, mayo, pickles, onions ONLY, large fry, with a Sprite, you dumb bitch! |
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| Don't vote Labour! on 14:57 - Oct 15 with 2832 views | Trequartista |
| Don't vote Labour! on 14:23 - Oct 15 by DJR |
I suggest you read my post above, but clearly the aim of the article is to make people reading it think Labour's proposals are as you have interpreted them. And who can blame them? [Post edited 15 Oct 2023 14:25]
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I'm replying to a point made in a post above, i'm not interpreting Labour's proposals as imprisonment for simply misgendering. As i said, there are several leaps made in the article to reach that conclusion. | |
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| Don't vote Labour! on 15:10 - Oct 15 with 2778 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Don't vote Labour! on 14:41 - Oct 15 by Leaky |
Why would any one be persuaded by a newspaper who to vote for. I have not bought or read a newspaper since the phone hacking scandal. why not Waite until an election is called let the campaigning take its course then make an informed choice. I apologise if spelling and grammar are not correct as my keyboard is in Harry McGuire mode |
People dont do that. They develop entrenchedviews through confirmation bias, encouraged by their echo chamber choice of newspaper. | | | |
| Don't vote Labour! on 15:11 - Oct 15 with 2779 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Don't vote Labour! on 14:41 - Oct 15 by Leaky |
Why would any one be persuaded by a newspaper who to vote for. I have not bought or read a newspaper since the phone hacking scandal. why not Waite until an election is called let the campaigning take its course then make an informed choice. I apologise if spelling and grammar are not correct as my keyboard is in Harry McGuire mode |
Because you do not buy a newspaper and are therefore confident that you are not influenced by their content, you have decided that they do not influence any of the other 32 million or so people who also voted were not at all influenced by them!
You do realise other people do read them and many of them accept most of what they read reasonably unquestioningly. I know because I speak to people who do! |  |
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| Don't vote Labour! on 15:23 - Oct 15 with 2755 views | Leaky |
| Don't vote Labour! on 15:10 - Oct 15 by redrickstuhaart |
People dont do that. They develop entrenchedviews through confirmation bias, encouraged by their echo chamber choice of newspaper. |
Agreed, that's my point, like most posting on this thread. They new exactly who they would for at the next election the day after the last one. It's the floating voter who can make the difference depending on there constituency. | | | |
| Don't vote Labour! on 17:05 - Oct 15 with 2606 views | BlueBadger |
Wait till you find out what they're planning if you say that you're English. |  |
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| Don't vote Labour! on 17:09 - Oct 15 with 2576 views | BlueBadger |
| Don't vote Labour! on 14:41 - Oct 15 by Leaky |
Why would any one be persuaded by a newspaper who to vote for. I have not bought or read a newspaper since the phone hacking scandal. why not Waite until an election is called let the campaigning take its course then make an informed choice. I apologise if spelling and grammar are not correct as my keyboard is in Harry McGuire mode |
I don't think you need to wait for an election to work out that whatever you might think about the other options, another five years of the Tories will be disastrous for the country.
Source: *gestures at the last 13 years* | |
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| Don't vote Labour! on 17:23 - Oct 15 with 2531 views | BlueBadger |
| Don't vote Labour! on 15:23 - Oct 15 by Leaky |
Agreed, that's my point, like most posting on this thread. They new exactly who they would for at the next election the day after the last one. It's the floating voter who can make the difference depending on there constituency. |
The tories were bigoted, corrupt and incompetent prior to 13/11/19 and they were bigoted, corrupt, incompetent and criminally inclined following on for 14/11/19.
Adding in criminality isn't going to make me vote for them. | |
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| Don't vote Labour! on 17:29 - Oct 15 with 2497 views | XYZ |
| Don't vote Labour! on 17:23 - Oct 15 by BlueBadger |
The tories were bigoted, corrupt and incompetent prior to 13/11/19 and they were bigoted, corrupt, incompetent and criminally inclined following on for 14/11/19.
Adding in criminality isn't going to make me vote for them. |
What happened on 13 Nov 2019? | | | |
| Don't vote Labour! on 17:31 - Oct 15 with 2499 views | BlueBadger |
| Don't vote Labour! on 14:15 - Oct 15 by Trequartista |
One should endeavour to be polite and address people as they wish to be addressed, but compelled speech enforced by law is a different matter. [Post edited 15 Oct 2023 14:15]
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I'm not sure that people would be nicer if we repealed laws surrounding incitement, harassment, hate speech and libel/slander/defamation. [Post edited 15 Oct 2023 17:55]
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| Don't vote Labour! on 17:40 - Oct 15 with 2446 views | DJR |
| Don't vote Labour! on 17:29 - Oct 15 by XYZ |
What happened on 13 Nov 2019? |
I think they had a day off because they were tired following the election counts. | | | |
| Don't vote Labour! on 17:54 - Oct 15 with 2406 views | XYZ |
| Don't vote Labour! on 17:40 - Oct 15 by DJR |
I think they had a day off because they were tired following the election counts. |
The election that was on 12 December 2019? | | | |
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