| Age concerns really 12:00 - Jul 30 with 2611 views | cressi |
People keep saying Szmodics is 28 its not stopping Dortmund buying a 33 Yr old in Pascal Gross . Szmodics still has his best 2 or 3 seasons ahead of him gone are the days when players drank of the top shelf and smoked twenty Marlborough. |  | | |  |
| Age concerns really on 12:04 - Jul 30 with 2541 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
He's comming into what should be his peak years. Not every player can have the sell on potential, some need to be here and now. Buying (hopefully) a player at their peak is no bad thing if you do get their best years from them
Maybe we won't but that's always the risk |  |
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| Age concerns really on 12:06 - Jul 30 with 2529 views | itfcjoe |
He's basically half the cost of Liam Delap, and was miles ahead of him last season for quality - and don't think anyone thinks Delap is a bad signing |  |
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| Age concerns really on 12:14 - Jul 30 with 2436 views | ipswichtillidie |
Wouldn’t listen too much to small noise of a small minority of supporters. I think a minority have become obsessed with “re-sale” value and “ceilings” and “sell on value” .
Undoubtedly we will sign a lot of younger, hungry players that fit this criteria but as McKenna said the squad needs some balance. Szmodics is a far cry from the journeymen we used to sign at 28/29. I personally wouldn’t be adverse to a Milner type signing either this window if such a player became available. |  |
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| Age concerns really on 12:44 - Jul 30 with 2268 views | HighgateBlue |
| Age concerns really on 12:06 - Jul 30 by itfcjoe |
He's basically half the cost of Liam Delap, and was miles ahead of him last season for quality - and don't think anyone thinks Delap is a bad signing |
Absolutely!
Let's get one thing straight. Szmodics was the Championship leading goalscorer. When have we ever managed to sign the second tier leading goalscorer, in the modern era? Marcus Stewart was exciting when we bought him, helped us go up, and achieved miracles in our 5th placed Prem season. But even he was only 4th highest scorer in the year we got him. Szmodics scored 50% more non-penalty goals than him (in the corresponding league season in which Ipswich were promoted): 18 vs 27. Stewart was 4th highest scorer with 22 goals (4 pens). Szmodics was the highest scorer with 27 goals. And Stewart was only a year younger when we bought him, so this age malarkey is baffling.
It is sacrilege to say anything against Stewart, I have no intention of doing so, and they are different players. But if we sign Szmodics, fans should be excited, and not "meh". We have come a long way. Let's not become conceited and entitled.
Szmodics and Delap both have risks and potential rewards attached. The price differential reflects age to a large extent of course. The fact that we are not an established Prem club means that buying unproven youth is one tool we absolutely have to use. But adding more experienced players who have proven what they can do is also a sensible part of the mix.
If we can't get excited about last season's top Champ goal scorer, then there's something seriously wrong! |  | | |
| Age concerns really on 13:42 - Jul 30 with 2041 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
We’ll need a mixture of youth and experience to succeed. Look at Morsy, best captain for years and a real driving horse in the team.
The young players have a higher ceiling no doubt, but won’t hit it for a while Szmodics is at his peak and can make an impact straight away. Experience brings with it better decision making on and off the ball, and more streetwise (gamesmanship/dark arts etc).
You’ll never win anything with youngsters…oh wait… | | | |
| Age concerns really on 13:45 - Jul 30 with 2009 views | itfcsuth |
When recruiting/building a squad you have to have balance to it.
Whilst our primary approach is young talents with future resell value, you have to compliment them with a sprinkle of prime players & experienced players.
It’s something we have balanced incredibly well during KMc time. |  | | |
| Age concerns really on 17:07 - Jul 30 with 1712 views | Nutkins_Return |
Aren't most people just saying that around the fee and not overpaying.
You are right, we will need a balanced squad. I wouldn't want to pay what Blackburn want e.g. £20 million. Equally I hope we don't lose out haggling too hard. £8-10 mil still seems fair. | |
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| Age concerns really on 17:46 - Jul 30 with 1630 views | Xatticus |
| Age concerns really on 12:14 - Jul 30 by ipswichtillidie |
Wouldn’t listen too much to small noise of a small minority of supporters. I think a minority have become obsessed with “re-sale” value and “ceilings” and “sell on value” .
Undoubtedly we will sign a lot of younger, hungry players that fit this criteria but as McKenna said the squad needs some balance. Szmodics is a far cry from the journeymen we used to sign at 28/29. I personally wouldn’t be adverse to a Milner type signing either this window if such a player became available. |
It’s pragmatism. We signed players without considering resale the last time we went into the top flight and we paid a heavy price for it. But let’s not confuse the issue here because the concerns are far less simplistic.
Szmodics isn’t an established EPL player. I thought 6M was a hefty price tag for a player that you are hoping can make the step up. If Blackburn are asking for 20M, then I’m moving on. Would you pay 10M for Chaplin? Would anyone around here be clamoring for him if not for his scoring record this season? Because we have seen players like Murphy and Waghorn put up robust scoring numbers in the Championship while knowing that they were never EPL standard.
Don’t misunderstand me. I’d be happy to have Szmodics, but I don’t see him as a safe buy. Is he better than Harness? Sure, but that bar isn’t very high. Every bit of money that is misspent is money that we won’t have available for other potential transfers. Teams know that we have money to spend and that we are willing to do so, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. If Blackburn believe they can get what they are demanding elsewhere, then I’d wish them luck. At some point, Szmodics will have to start turning the screws if he wants a move. [Post edited 30 Jul 2024 17:50]
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| Age concerns really on 17:53 - Jul 30 with 1611 views | franz_tyson |
If he helps keep us up for just one season ... his re-sale fee doesn't matter.
We just need one more purple-patch season from him and then we can pay Col Utd to have him when he hits 30.
Not every thing has to be part of a perfect formula. [Post edited 30 Jul 2024 17:55]
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| Age concerns really on 18:57 - Jul 30 with 1429 views | Illinoisblue |
| Age concerns really on 17:53 - Jul 30 by franz_tyson |
If he helps keep us up for just one season ... his re-sale fee doesn't matter.
We just need one more purple-patch season from him and then we can pay Col Utd to have him when he hits 30.
Not every thing has to be part of a perfect formula. [Post edited 30 Jul 2024 17:55]
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Exactly this. Far too much fretting about resale value or fitting into the project. Getting at least 17th place is all that matters. Eyes on the prize. |  |
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| Age concerns really on 19:04 - Jul 30 with 1406 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Age concerns really on 17:46 - Jul 30 by Xatticus |
It’s pragmatism. We signed players without considering resale the last time we went into the top flight and we paid a heavy price for it. But let’s not confuse the issue here because the concerns are far less simplistic.
Szmodics isn’t an established EPL player. I thought 6M was a hefty price tag for a player that you are hoping can make the step up. If Blackburn are asking for 20M, then I’m moving on. Would you pay 10M for Chaplin? Would anyone around here be clamoring for him if not for his scoring record this season? Because we have seen players like Murphy and Waghorn put up robust scoring numbers in the Championship while knowing that they were never EPL standard.
Don’t misunderstand me. I’d be happy to have Szmodics, but I don’t see him as a safe buy. Is he better than Harness? Sure, but that bar isn’t very high. Every bit of money that is misspent is money that we won’t have available for other potential transfers. Teams know that we have money to spend and that we are willing to do so, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. If Blackburn believe they can get what they are demanding elsewhere, then I’d wish them luck. At some point, Szmodics will have to start turning the screws if he wants a move. [Post edited 30 Jul 2024 17:50]
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Are you honestly going to care that he costs us £8m if he scores enough goals which secured us another division in the top flight at £100m+?
And if we do happen to go down, we have a very good player for Championship level. |  |
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| Age concerns really on 19:04 - Jul 30 with 1406 views | MK1 |
I can still perform and I'm double his age. |  |
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| Age concerns really on 05:37 - Jul 31 with 1116 views | Xatticus |
| Age concerns really on 19:04 - Jul 30 by Kieran_Knows |
Are you honestly going to care that he costs us £8m if he scores enough goals which secured us another division in the top flight at £100m+?
And if we do happen to go down, we have a very good player for Championship level. |
No. I care that we spend well and I don’t view a player with zero career EPL goals as the key to our survival. Before last year, his return was 11 from 70 in the Championship. I believe he could be a useful addition to the squad. Nothing beyond that is guaranteed. Make no mistake, there is substantial risk involved with this one and that risk should be mitigated in the outlay.
There is a right price at which to acquire Szmodics. Anything below that is fine. Anything above is bad business. Surely our shortlist has more than one name on it. We’ve earned the windfall that came along with promotion and I’m not so eager to hand a large share of it over to Blackburn.
In the end, I will trust Ashton and McKenna, but I feel like they are holding our feet to the fire on this one and I would be throwing the net out again to see what other options we have. If Blackburn run it back and his goalscoring record regresses back towards the mean (which it will), then they won’t be in a position to ask for half as much. The pressure should be on Blackburn to cash in while they can. | | | |
| Age concerns really on 06:30 - Jul 31 with 1068 views | franz_tyson |
| Age concerns really on 05:37 - Jul 31 by Xatticus |
No. I care that we spend well and I don’t view a player with zero career EPL goals as the key to our survival. Before last year, his return was 11 from 70 in the Championship. I believe he could be a useful addition to the squad. Nothing beyond that is guaranteed. Make no mistake, there is substantial risk involved with this one and that risk should be mitigated in the outlay.
There is a right price at which to acquire Szmodics. Anything below that is fine. Anything above is bad business. Surely our shortlist has more than one name on it. We’ve earned the windfall that came along with promotion and I’m not so eager to hand a large share of it over to Blackburn.
In the end, I will trust Ashton and McKenna, but I feel like they are holding our feet to the fire on this one and I would be throwing the net out again to see what other options we have. If Blackburn run it back and his goalscoring record regresses back towards the mean (which it will), then they won’t be in a position to ask for half as much. The pressure should be on Blackburn to cash in while they can. |
Name one Town player that has EPL goals. We're entering new territory.... everything is a risk. And bloody costly, too. . We've spent 60 million already and rising and 6-8 million is 2-3 times less than weve spent on other players. Not sure why you're fixating so much on Szmodics as a risk. He could turn out to be a relatively low cost risk compared to others. No-one is a guaranteed EPL success. If we want guaranteed EPL experience, class and goals we might have to spend 500 million to a billion.
There's a lot of risk spending millions on 20-21 year old as they might not develop quick enough until 25. Re-sale value isn't everything. | | | |
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