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VAR Offsides 17:16 - Oct 27 with 1421 viewsZx1988

Watching the current debacle in the Arsenal v Liverpool game.

Whatever happened to just drawing the lines and seeing what they show? Why have we suddenly regressed to 5mins of zooming in and pointing at the monitor?

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VAR Offsides on 17:17 - Oct 27 with 1403 viewsgainsboroughblue

It's sucking the joy out of the game.

Bin it.

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VAR Offsides on 17:18 - Oct 27 with 1394 viewsDubtractor

My rule would be that if it takes longer than 30 seconds of looking at it, that it's onside as obviously too close to call.

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VAR Offsides on 17:19 - Oct 27 with 1378 viewsZx1988

VAR Offsides on 17:17 - Oct 27 by gainsboroughblue

It's sucking the joy out of the game.

Bin it.


The semi-automated offsides can't come quickly enough. That said, VAR will still find a way of making it as convoluted as possible.

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VAR Offsides on 17:28 - Oct 27 with 1324 viewsLankHenners

That's what they're doing - they have to establish which feet (or other body part) from which players are the relevant ones. Takes time when it's that tight and lots of players are in the picture.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
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VAR Offsides on 17:31 - Oct 27 with 1272 viewsGarv

VAR Offsides on 17:17 - Oct 27 by gainsboroughblue

It's sucking the joy out of the game.

Bin it.


It's already been sucked.

Always chasing perfection, always looking for 'consistency' which just won't happen.

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VAR Offsides on 18:32 - Oct 27 with 1153 viewshoppy

VAR Offsides on 17:28 - Oct 27 by LankHenners

That's what they're doing - they have to establish which feet (or other body part) from which players are the relevant ones. Takes time when it's that tight and lots of players are in the picture.


Does it also take into account at which point the contact with the ball was made - is it the laces, or the leather of the boot when it's kicked, to stop it at that exact moment to then dissect to the nth degree where lines should be drawn and where you can point to on the screen?

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VAR Offsides on 20:17 - Oct 27 with 979 viewsSwansea_Blue

VAR Offsides on 18:32 - Oct 27 by hoppy

Does it also take into account at which point the contact with the ball was made - is it the laces, or the leather of the boot when it's kicked, to stop it at that exact moment to then dissect to the nth degree where lines should be drawn and where you can point to on the screen?


And when is the ball actually played? Is it at the first instance of foreword travel, even though at that point the boot will still be in contact with the ball, or is it when there’s clear air between the foot and ball? They need one of those slow motion cameras on the passing player to identify the exact moment.

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VAR Offsides on 20:25 - Oct 27 with 942 viewsYou_Bloo_Right

VAR Offsides on 20:17 - Oct 27 by Swansea_Blue

And when is the ball actually played? Is it at the first instance of foreword travel, even though at that point the boot will still be in contact with the ball, or is it when there’s clear air between the foot and ball? They need one of those slow motion cameras on the passing player to identify the exact moment.


It's worse than that, Jim.

I believe sport is filmed at 30 frames per second. The relative positions of players can change significantly in one thirtieth of a second.

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VAR Offsides on 20:41 - Oct 27 with 901 viewsMeadowlark

The majority of games have now come down to decisions made by the officials rather than which team is best.
It's getting ridiculous, and the pundits on the BBC and SKY etc are all in it together. They dare not criticise it. Unless occasionally (very rarely) a bizarre decision goes against one of the big clubs.
And why can't the fans in the stadium see the decision making process?
It's a joke.
That Arsenal v Liverpool decision did not take into account that players' bodies are three dimensional. A foot on the ground might not be in front of a shoulder in the air.
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VAR Offsides on 23:03 - Oct 27 with 778 viewsGarv

VAR Offsides on 20:41 - Oct 27 by Meadowlark

The majority of games have now come down to decisions made by the officials rather than which team is best.
It's getting ridiculous, and the pundits on the BBC and SKY etc are all in it together. They dare not criticise it. Unless occasionally (very rarely) a bizarre decision goes against one of the big clubs.
And why can't the fans in the stadium see the decision making process?
It's a joke.
That Arsenal v Liverpool decision did not take into account that players' bodies are three dimensional. A foot on the ground might not be in front of a shoulder in the air.


"And why can't the fans in the stadium see the decision making process?"

Realistically this is never going to happen, at least not well. I've always found it odd that people clamour for it.

Some grounds don't have screens, such as Old Trafford and Anfield. Some PA systems are better, or worse, than others. The idea that people want a whole stadium to quiet down so we can all listen to the referee have a chat with his mate miles away in his swivel chair is crazy.

The problem is the concept of VAR itself, not that people can't see how it's working.

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