| Cajuste 10:23 - Dec 9 with 1448 views | urbanblue |
Has looked so good when he has played but not in the team yesterday? I keep reading that he is only good for 65 minutes or so and is carrying a niggle.
Is this why the sale to Brentford fell through? Wondering if there may have been a mistake in judgement by the club.
Just writing something that has been on my mind. [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 10:25]
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| Cajuste on 10:25 - Dec 9 with 1421 views | PhilTWTD |
Think there are two separate but related things. He has a knee problem which has been managed, hence being left out of the Sweden squad recently, and also was the reason the Brentford deal broke down, but also hadn't played a lot prior to the recent run and looked shot at Forest after an hour. Think on both fronts they were keen not to push him too far. |  | | |
| Cajuste on 10:28 - Dec 9 with 1375 views | nodge_blue |
| Cajuste on 10:25 - Dec 9 by PhilTWTD |
Think there are two separate but related things. He has a knee problem which has been managed, hence being left out of the Sweden squad recently, and also was the reason the Brentford deal broke down, but also hadn't played a lot prior to the recent run and looked shot at Forest after an hour. Think on both fronts they were keen not to push him too far. |
I think you are right about that. What about Phillips though? He looked fine in warm up. No suggestion he was protecting his ankle.
Not that Taylor played badly. thought he did well and probably in training has earned a chance. |  |
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| Cajuste on 10:30 - Dec 9 with 1349 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Cajuste on 10:25 - Dec 9 by PhilTWTD |
Think there are two separate but related things. He has a knee problem which has been managed, hence being left out of the Sweden squad recently, and also was the reason the Brentford deal broke down, but also hadn't played a lot prior to the recent run and looked shot at Forest after an hour. Think on both fronts they were keen not to push him too far. |
Some of our biggest summer targets had very serious fitness concerns;
Phillips, Cajuste and Broja.
Its a high risk strategy when we rely on our players being fitter than most.
I can see why we went for them, but its hurting us at the moment.
We didnt sign Broja, but our pursuit of him seemed to result in us missing out on a striker altogether by not having a deliverable second option. |  |
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| Cajuste on 10:33 - Dec 9 with 1322 views | PhilTWTD |
| Cajuste on 10:30 - Dec 9 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Some of our biggest summer targets had very serious fitness concerns;
Phillips, Cajuste and Broja.
Its a high risk strategy when we rely on our players being fitter than most.
I can see why we went for them, but its hurting us at the moment.
We didnt sign Broja, but our pursuit of him seemed to result in us missing out on a striker altogether by not having a deliverable second option. |
I think we've created ourselves the same problem three seasons running. We chased Hirst for a long time ahead of the League One promotion season but missed out and then tried to sign Will Keane in the final few days, last summer we ended up without a back-up to Hirst with Ladapo not viewed as up to it and this year, with Hirst injured, Delap is forced to play more than we wanted, as Kieran said in his presser last night. | | | |
| Cajuste on 10:35 - Dec 9 with 1292 views | PhilTWTD |
| Cajuste on 10:28 - Dec 9 by nodge_blue |
I think you are right about that. What about Phillips though? He looked fine in warm up. No suggestion he was protecting his ankle.
Not that Taylor played badly. thought he did well and probably in training has earned a chance. |
I assume they're similarly trying to be careful with him and he hasn't had much of a run at all yet. Cajuste being brought on ahead of him perhaps indicates JC is ahead of KP at the moment, although equally it could be that Kieran felt his attributes were more suited to the situation. | | | |
| Cajuste on 10:37 - Dec 9 with 1264 views | urbanblue |
| Cajuste on 10:30 - Dec 9 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Some of our biggest summer targets had very serious fitness concerns;
Phillips, Cajuste and Broja.
Its a high risk strategy when we rely on our players being fitter than most.
I can see why we went for them, but its hurting us at the moment.
We didnt sign Broja, but our pursuit of him seemed to result in us missing out on a striker altogether by not having a deliverable second option. |
... and Broja is fit and ready to go now. Was glad we didn't sign him at the time but feeling a bit different about it now. | | | |
| Cajuste on 10:39 - Dec 9 with 1242 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Cajuste on 10:37 - Dec 9 by urbanblue |
... and Broja is fit and ready to go now. Was glad we didn't sign him at the time but feeling a bit different about it now. |
Yeah, fair point. [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 10:39]
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| Cajuste on 10:46 - Dec 9 with 1184 views | urbanblue |
| Cajuste on 10:25 - Dec 9 by PhilTWTD |
Think there are two separate but related things. He has a knee problem which has been managed, hence being left out of the Sweden squad recently, and also was the reason the Brentford deal broke down, but also hadn't played a lot prior to the recent run and looked shot at Forest after an hour. Think on both fronts they were keen not to push him too far. |
So the knee is still a problem and has been since we signed him. Doesn't really bode well does it. | | | |
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| Cajuste on 10:49 - Dec 9 with 1159 views | homer_123 |
| Cajuste on 10:46 - Dec 9 by urbanblue |
So the knee is still a problem and has been since we signed him. Doesn't really bode well does it. |
Yes and no - in part, it's why he's here and not still at Napoli or anywhere else.
So, in a way we are benefiting from it - if we can manage it/ sort it - we have a hell of a player on our hands.
This is the reality of where we are. |  |
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| Cajuste on 10:51 - Dec 9 with 1131 views | urbanblue |
| Cajuste on 10:49 - Dec 9 by homer_123 |
Yes and no - in part, it's why he's here and not still at Napoli or anywhere else.
So, in a way we are benefiting from it - if we can manage it/ sort it - we have a hell of a player on our hands.
This is the reality of where we are. |
... desperate! | | | |
| Cajuste on 10:52 - Dec 9 with 1112 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Cajuste on 10:25 - Dec 9 by PhilTWTD |
Think there are two separate but related things. He has a knee problem which has been managed, hence being left out of the Sweden squad recently, and also was the reason the Brentford deal broke down, but also hadn't played a lot prior to the recent run and looked shot at Forest after an hour. Think on both fronts they were keen not to push him too far. |
Phil, is the obligation to buy only if we stay up or regardless |  |
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| Cajuste on 10:54 - Dec 9 with 1097 views | PhilTWTD |
| Cajuste on 10:52 - Dec 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Phil, is the obligation to buy only if we stay up or regardless |
I don't think we'd be able to afford him if we went down and I would guess he would want to play top-flight football here or elsewhere. | | | |
| Cajuste on 10:54 - Dec 9 with 1091 views | homer_123 |
| Cajuste on 10:51 - Dec 9 by urbanblue |
... desperate! |
LOL - I think that is a tad harsh. | |
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| Cajuste on 10:55 - Dec 9 with 1085 views | PhilTWTD |
| Cajuste on 10:46 - Dec 9 by urbanblue |
So the knee is still a problem and has been since we signed him. Doesn't really bode well does it. |
A lot of players manage injuries. We evidently felt it was less of a risk than Brentford did, or agreed a deal which was less of a risk. | | | |
| Cajuste on 10:57 - Dec 9 with 1060 views | Churchman |
| Cajuste on 10:30 - Dec 9 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Some of our biggest summer targets had very serious fitness concerns;
Phillips, Cajuste and Broja.
Its a high risk strategy when we rely on our players being fitter than most.
I can see why we went for them, but its hurting us at the moment.
We didnt sign Broja, but our pursuit of him seemed to result in us missing out on a striker altogether by not having a deliverable second option. |
Regarding your last paragraph, you might be right but we don’t really know. I’d very very interested to know the truth of it.
I agree about the risk strategy though. We were faced with going for potential, players who were relegated but were deemed good enough for the PL or established players with issues.
Cajuste, Phillips and Broja. Would we have been able to afford Phillips in his prime or Broja when he had potential at Chelsea and valued by them in 2022? Of course not. So if you want that level of quality you take the risk. A good strategy? I understand it but don’t agree with it personally.
It’s more disruptive to have a good player who plays infrequently than a lesser player that can do what he does week in week out. If I look at Phillips, he’s obviously an excellent player, but not to us if he is shining his rear end on the bench, treatment table or under a sun lamp after a red card.
With Broja, having already an obviously injury prone striker in Hirst good player though he is, taking on another potentially looked an act of desperation to me. They obviously know what they were looking at and bailed out. Thank goodness given what he’s done for Everton this season.
Cajuste? Looks a good player, but if he has to be ‘managed’ I’m not sure there is much point. With Cajuste and Phillips, I guess it’s a case of see how it looks at seasons end. If we do bring in anyone in Jan, I hope it’s a player with a view to the future, not a ready made relatively cheap for a reason one. |  | | |
| Cajuste on 11:01 - Dec 9 with 1032 views | urbanblue |
| Cajuste on 10:54 - Dec 9 by homer_123 |
LOL - I think that is a tad harsh. |
Ha ... yeah, was a bit tongue in cheek but to be honest it"s a bit how I'm feeling right now. | | | |
| Cajuste on 11:02 - Dec 9 with 1021 views | gsoly |
| Cajuste on 10:35 - Dec 9 by PhilTWTD |
I assume they're similarly trying to be careful with him and he hasn't had much of a run at all yet. Cajuste being brought on ahead of him perhaps indicates JC is ahead of KP at the moment, although equally it could be that Kieran felt his attributes were more suited to the situation. |
Really felt like the game needed both Cajuste and Phillips at that point. Morsy had his weakest game of the season by some margin. No reason at all for him to do the full 90. |  | | |
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