| What's the strategy with our Academy? 09:04 - Jan 29 with 2739 views | MaySixth |
I don't keep close to it apart from seeing the results which have been pretty dreadful for a while.
However, I get that probably results are not the be all and end all and it's about player development.
Is it something we need to focus on better or has it taken a slight back step with all the funds/concentration going into staying in the Prem?
Be intrigued to hear from those who are closer to it and have an opinion. |  |
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:10 - Jan 29 with 2680 views | SheffordBlue |
There's been a big push towards getting us Cat 1 which will really change the games schedule that the Academy play. This has included quite a few additional staff coming in.
There also seems to have been a big push to get academy players out on loan and I think one of the reasons that the U21s have had some big defeats recently is that there are more junior players featuring as the older ones are out on loan.
Also seems to have been a bit more recruitment into the Academy from other academies recently. |  |
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:17 - Jan 29 with 2614 views | MaySixth |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:10 - Jan 29 by SheffordBlue |
There's been a big push towards getting us Cat 1 which will really change the games schedule that the Academy play. This has included quite a few additional staff coming in.
There also seems to have been a big push to get academy players out on loan and I think one of the reasons that the U21s have had some big defeats recently is that there are more junior players featuring as the older ones are out on loan.
Also seems to have been a bit more recruitment into the Academy from other academies recently. |
Thanks, this sounds positive.
In general, is it fair that we have fringe squad players going into the EFL (Baggott, Humphreys) and then the more promising U21 prospects into the National League (Barbrook, Carr, Boatswain, Mazionis, Ayinde) and then after that the Isthmian League for those younger with potential? | |
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:32 - Jan 29 with 2469 views | PhilTWTD |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:17 - Jan 29 by MaySixth |
Thanks, this sounds positive.
In general, is it fair that we have fringe squad players going into the EFL (Baggott, Humphreys) and then the more promising U21 prospects into the National League (Barbrook, Carr, Boatswain, Mazionis, Ayinde) and then after that the Isthmian League for those younger with potential? |
That is part of the plan. Not sure things have gone entirely smoothly since the takeover. A lot of the existing staff were moved on, despite the academy having done pretty well with limited resources in the latter Evans years. The academy manager brought in didn't work out and a new one was appointed a few months ago, Dmitri Halajko.
In addition, two U18s coaches have come and gone within a few months of being appointed, so things haven't really been that stable. Promotion led to the volte-face on category one and staff have been added to get towards that and facilities will improve as part of the Playford Road regeneration. |  | | |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:34 - Jan 29 with 2435 views | SheffordBlue |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:17 - Jan 29 by MaySixth |
Thanks, this sounds positive.
In general, is it fair that we have fringe squad players going into the EFL (Baggott, Humphreys) and then the more promising U21 prospects into the National League (Barbrook, Carr, Boatswain, Mazionis, Ayinde) and then after that the Isthmian League for those younger with potential? |
That seems to be the case. I believe that one of Chris Casement's roles at the club is effectively an academy loans manager - building relationships with clubs and monitoring the players on loan. With some of the older ones who have gone out at a relatively low level it may be as much about trying to find them a home in the knowledge that they are very unlikely to kick on at a higher level. | |
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:41 - Jan 29 with 2333 views | Muncher |
There is really significant investment going in to the academy from an infrastructure point of view, the new training ground works (and the immediate temporary works) will pave the way for that sooner rather than later.
It is likely to be quite a long time before we are producing players that can make it in the premier league.
First you need to get the infrastructure built and the staffing in place, then the scouting network needs to expand , then you need to be bringing the right boys in at 6,7 & 8 to feed them through the system. The full impact of that isn't likely to be apparent for another 10 years or so. | | | |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:48 - Jan 29 with 2240 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:32 - Jan 29 by PhilTWTD |
That is part of the plan. Not sure things have gone entirely smoothly since the takeover. A lot of the existing staff were moved on, despite the academy having done pretty well with limited resources in the latter Evans years. The academy manager brought in didn't work out and a new one was appointed a few months ago, Dmitri Halajko.
In addition, two U18s coaches have come and gone within a few months of being appointed, so things haven't really been that stable. Promotion led to the volte-face on category one and staff have been added to get towards that and facilities will improve as part of the Playford Road regeneration. |
We produced some decent players in the Evans years:
Woolfie
Downes
Dozzell
Gibbs
Humphreys
Nydam (would likely have progressed if not for injury)
Also those who were poached from us may well have developed under us;
Knight
Flores
C Brown
H Clarke
Hopefully Cat 1 will allow us to attract better players, and retain our best prospects. [Post edited 29 Jan 10:14]
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 10:34 - Jan 29 with 1982 views | homer_123 |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:48 - Jan 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
We produced some decent players in the Evans years:
Woolfie
Downes
Dozzell
Gibbs
Humphreys
Nydam (would likely have progressed if not for injury)
Also those who were poached from us may well have developed under us;
Knight
Flores
C Brown
H Clarke
Hopefully Cat 1 will allow us to attract better players, and retain our best prospects. [Post edited 29 Jan 10:14]
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If you Dozzer for Pompey last night, you may have to amend that statement (sadly). |  |
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 10:37 - Jan 29 with 1977 views | PhilTWTD |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:48 - Jan 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
We produced some decent players in the Evans years:
Woolfie
Downes
Dozzell
Gibbs
Humphreys
Nydam (would likely have progressed if not for injury)
Also those who were poached from us may well have developed under us;
Knight
Flores
C Brown
H Clarke
Hopefully Cat 1 will allow us to attract better players, and retain our best prospects. [Post edited 29 Jan 10:14]
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Tawanda Chirewa, who is at Wolves now as well. Will be interesting to see how Calum Logan progresses at Spurs. | | | |
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 10:42 - Jan 29 with 1885 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 10:37 - Jan 29 by PhilTWTD |
Tawanda Chirewa, who is at Wolves now as well. Will be interesting to see how Calum Logan progresses at Spurs. |
Have they got high hopes for him?
It can be a risky move at 18, sometimes the big clubs are just looking for 'support acts' to supplement the player/s that they really think could progress to the first team. | |
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 10:44 - Jan 29 with 1854 views | PhilTWTD |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 10:42 - Jan 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Have they got high hopes for him?
It can be a risky move at 18, sometimes the big clubs are just looking for 'support acts' to supplement the player/s that they really think could progress to the first team. |
They could afford to take a chance on him when they signed him, certainly. I know people here had high hopes for him. Just had a loan at Derby which injury impacted, so jury still out on what level he might make it. | | | |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 10:48 - Jan 29 with 1825 views | Zx1988 |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:32 - Jan 29 by PhilTWTD |
That is part of the plan. Not sure things have gone entirely smoothly since the takeover. A lot of the existing staff were moved on, despite the academy having done pretty well with limited resources in the latter Evans years. The academy manager brought in didn't work out and a new one was appointed a few months ago, Dmitri Halajko.
In addition, two U18s coaches have come and gone within a few months of being appointed, so things haven't really been that stable. Promotion led to the volte-face on category one and staff have been added to get towards that and facilities will improve as part of the Playford Road regeneration. |
How are things with Cat 1 these days? Will it be largely contingent upon staying in the Prem, or do they now take a more sanguine view towards Championship clubs applying for Cat 1 status? | |
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 10:55 - Jan 29 with 1774 views | PhilTWTD |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 10:48 - Jan 29 by Zx1988 |
How are things with Cat 1 these days? Will it be largely contingent upon staying in the Prem, or do they now take a more sanguine view towards Championship clubs applying for Cat 1 status? |
Not sure divisional status has a direct impact, but obviously the funds which come from being in the Premier League help get boxes ticked. The criteria have changed a lot over the decade or so since we last applied. | | | |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 13:25 - Jan 29 with 1383 views | MaySixth |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:32 - Jan 29 by PhilTWTD |
That is part of the plan. Not sure things have gone entirely smoothly since the takeover. A lot of the existing staff were moved on, despite the academy having done pretty well with limited resources in the latter Evans years. The academy manager brought in didn't work out and a new one was appointed a few months ago, Dmitri Halajko.
In addition, two U18s coaches have come and gone within a few months of being appointed, so things haven't really been that stable. Promotion led to the volte-face on category one and staff have been added to get towards that and facilities will improve as part of the Playford Road regeneration. |
Thanks Phil | |
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 13:26 - Jan 29 with 1367 views | MaySixth |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 10:44 - Jan 29 by PhilTWTD |
They could afford to take a chance on him when they signed him, certainly. I know people here had high hopes for him. Just had a loan at Derby which injury impacted, so jury still out on what level he might make it. |
Is it fair to suggest that Chirewa's progress is mainly going to be decided by his attitude rather than physicality? | |
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 13:55 - Jan 29 with 1287 views | Sharkey |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:10 - Jan 29 by SheffordBlue |
There's been a big push towards getting us Cat 1 which will really change the games schedule that the Academy play. This has included quite a few additional staff coming in.
There also seems to have been a big push to get academy players out on loan and I think one of the reasons that the U21s have had some big defeats recently is that there are more junior players featuring as the older ones are out on loan.
Also seems to have been a bit more recruitment into the Academy from other academies recently. |
'Big defeats' you say? Colchester U21 lost 14-0 to Coventry last week. Not sure what competition it was in, and nobody seems that fussed, but still.
I must say I'm a bit surprised that John McGreal hasn't moved on. Probably likes the area, and is probably decently paid, - but still, he's a competitive bloke and as I say I'm a bit surprised he doesn't miss managing a team that people go and watch. |  | | |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 14:05 - Jan 29 with 1221 views | BseaBlue |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 13:55 - Jan 29 by Sharkey |
'Big defeats' you say? Colchester U21 lost 14-0 to Coventry last week. Not sure what competition it was in, and nobody seems that fussed, but still.
I must say I'm a bit surprised that John McGreal hasn't moved on. Probably likes the area, and is probably decently paid, - but still, he's a competitive bloke and as I say I'm a bit surprised he doesn't miss managing a team that people go and watch. |
Agree RE McGreal. When you look at what has happened at Colchester since he left, it was a brilliant job to get them into the play offs. I'm very suprised another EFL club hasn't taken him on. |  | | |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 14:11 - Jan 29 with 1204 views | itfcjoe |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 09:32 - Jan 29 by PhilTWTD |
That is part of the plan. Not sure things have gone entirely smoothly since the takeover. A lot of the existing staff were moved on, despite the academy having done pretty well with limited resources in the latter Evans years. The academy manager brought in didn't work out and a new one was appointed a few months ago, Dmitri Halajko.
In addition, two U18s coaches have come and gone within a few months of being appointed, so things haven't really been that stable. Promotion led to the volte-face on category one and staff have been added to get towards that and facilities will improve as part of the Playford Road regeneration. |
We have basically released our whole U16 squad and are going to try and go into the market to try and recruit next year scholars - a couple of those being released already been picked up by Cat 1 academies so worry is we've just gone over the top with it at the moment |  |
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| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 14:11 - Jan 29 with 1204 views | Sharkey |
| What's the strategy with our Academy? on 14:05 - Jan 29 by BseaBlue |
Agree RE McGreal. When you look at what has happened at Colchester since he left, it was a brilliant job to get them into the play offs. I'm very suprised another EFL club hasn't taken him on. |
I know a lot of people think he SHOULD have got the team up that season, with the players he had. It was a Gerken howler and a spurned chance by Poku at Exeter that stopped a trip to (Covid-empty) Wembley. | | | |
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