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Or desire of the players , it’s quite clear we’re fighting and following from a good performance at Forest on Monday this was another game that really could have gone either way , whilst we can’t fault the effort we just have to simply hold our hands up and say we aren’t good enough to be a premier league side , we’re not miles off and had we played the whole season with Encisio and palmer in goal and Phillips match fit as he now looks I suspect we would be in a lot better position than we are ! Sadly it’s just taken us to long to adapt with the amount of new players and injuries we have had and we lack the quality to win games at this level !
If we could maintain these performance levels until the end of the season at least we can show pride until the bitter end !
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Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 19:29 - Mar 8 with 1725 views
I think that's the best I've seen us ay all season tbh. He's certainly got us defending better as a complete team effort. But life of me I couldn't see where a goal was coming from that forward line. And this seems to be the pattern game after game.
Also, what is the point bringing on a striker With just four mins to play? What's the point?? Hirst should have been on the pitch h with 20 mins to in addition to Delap.
I'm so frustrated with McKenna and his decision making. We really shouldn't be in the bottom three, but tine snd yine again we more than match our opponents but can't take our gilt edged chances. Far too much had been put on Delaps shoulders this season. And that's down to McKenna.
Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 19:29 - Mar 8 by ArnieM
I think that's the best I've seen us ay all season tbh. He's certainly got us defending better as a complete team effort. But life of me I couldn't see where a goal was coming from that forward line. And this seems to be the pattern game after game.
Also, what is the point bringing on a striker With just four mins to play? What's the point?? Hirst should have been on the pitch h with 20 mins to in addition to Delap.
I'm so frustrated with McKenna and his decision making. We really shouldn't be in the bottom three, but tine snd yine again we more than match our opponents but can't take our gilt edged chances. Far too much had been put on Delaps shoulders this season. And that's down to McKenna.
"Far too much had been put on Delaps shoulders this season. And that's down to McKenna."
Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 19:29 - Mar 8 by ArnieM
I think that's the best I've seen us ay all season tbh. He's certainly got us defending better as a complete team effort. But life of me I couldn't see where a goal was coming from that forward line. And this seems to be the pattern game after game.
Also, what is the point bringing on a striker With just four mins to play? What's the point?? Hirst should have been on the pitch h with 20 mins to in addition to Delap.
I'm so frustrated with McKenna and his decision making. We really shouldn't be in the bottom three, but tine snd yine again we more than match our opponents but can't take our gilt edged chances. Far too much had been put on Delaps shoulders this season. And that's down to McKenna.
Obviously McKenna is learning as well so is doubtless making mistakes, but I wonder how good of a manager you'd need to be to keep us up with this squad. Not being facetious, just genuinely wondering which PL manager it would take...
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Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 19:58 - Mar 8 with 1589 views
Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 19:29 - Mar 8 by ArnieM
I think that's the best I've seen us ay all season tbh. He's certainly got us defending better as a complete team effort. But life of me I couldn't see where a goal was coming from that forward line. And this seems to be the pattern game after game.
Also, what is the point bringing on a striker With just four mins to play? What's the point?? Hirst should have been on the pitch h with 20 mins to in addition to Delap.
I'm so frustrated with McKenna and his decision making. We really shouldn't be in the bottom three, but tine snd yine again we more than match our opponents but can't take our gilt edged chances. Far too much had been put on Delaps shoulders this season. And that's down to McKenna.
We also played a lot better in the final third when Szmodics played IMHO he gave us a bit me energy and drive going forward , missed him more than some realise .
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Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 20:39 - Mar 8 with 1410 views
Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 19:58 - Mar 8 by backwaywhen
We also played a lot better in the final third when Szmodics played IMHO he gave us a bit me energy and drive going forward , missed him more than some realise .
SS is a smart player with a physical presence. Chappers links the play. We’ve massively missed both of them in the final third. Burns, too, obviously. A season of what might have been
Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 19:58 - Mar 8 by backwaywhen
We also played a lot better in the final third when Szmodics played IMHO he gave us a bit me energy and drive going forward , missed him more than some realise .
Indeed, he’s got that ability to score from nothing , a different type of striker to Delap
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Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 20:58 - Mar 8 with 1265 views
My positives are Enciso is back and looks buzzing, Phillips got through 90 minutes, Cajuste almost did 90, more injury problems clearing up.
Games are running out quickly, and our remaining fixtures are not great, but we are in games and we are competing and if we can keep todays team fit(with the addition of Hutch back on the right) - we'll make it close.
Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 20:39 - Mar 8 by Illinoisblue
SS is a smart player with a physical presence. Chappers links the play. We’ve massively missed both of them in the final third. Burns, too, obviously. A season of what might have been
But when they were fit, McKenna wouldn't play them for any meaningful minutes in a game. I do not see what he sees in Clarke or Philogene.
As another posters question re what experienced manager would keep this squad up. Probably not many.
I've said all along this season is a free hit for McKenna because we were promoted ahead of the club's schedule. The players we've bought are not PL ready. Far from it. Yet fir the life of me, I font getvwhy he hadn't tried more senior players ( Szmoducs, Broadhead, Chaplin, Burns, Hirsr) in a run of games in that front line instead of 20yr olds. I dont blame the players fir failing to take their gilt edged chances. There have been many , in many games, but we fail time and again to take them. So why on earth wouldn't you change things and TRY something different. I
It's like he only knows one way to play the game, and is trying to mold players to that way, instead of finding a system to suite the players attributes. I'm so frustrated with McKenna now. We are all but down, and it didn't need to be like this.
Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 20:59 - Mar 8 by ArnieM
But when they were fit, McKenna wouldn't play them for any meaningful minutes in a game. I do not see what he sees in Clarke or Philogene.
As another posters question re what experienced manager would keep this squad up. Probably not many.
I've said all along this season is a free hit for McKenna because we were promoted ahead of the club's schedule. The players we've bought are not PL ready. Far from it. Yet fir the life of me, I font getvwhy he hadn't tried more senior players ( Szmoducs, Broadhead, Chaplin, Burns, Hirsr) in a run of games in that front line instead of 20yr olds. I dont blame the players fir failing to take their gilt edged chances. There have been many , in many games, but we fail time and again to take them. So why on earth wouldn't you change things and TRY something different. I
It's like he only knows one way to play the game, and is trying to mold players to that way, instead of finding a system to suite the players attributes. I'm so frustrated with McKenna now. We are all but down, and it didn't need to be like this.
I'm not here to blindly defend KMcK, but when you say "it's like he only knows one way to play the game, and is trying to mold players to that way" is pretty true of nearly every manager.
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Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 21:34 - Mar 8 with 1125 views
Probably best you don't tap into fb then - all doom and gloom from those who weren't there and don't appreciate the massive task we have had. it's toxic! Whereas those of us at the ground were fully behind the boys, who looked completely shellshocked at the end
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Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 21:45 - Mar 8 with 1052 views
Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 19:32 - Mar 8 by pointofblue
"Far too much had been put on Delaps shoulders this season. And that's down to McKenna."
I wouldn't absolve Ashton for this.
He'll come out a better player for it, but we are watching him be erratically brilliant and frustrating and learning really good, valuable lessons in the best league in the world.
Look at the way he plays with a smile on his face. He is not struggling under pressure, he's thriving. He just isn't always making the right decisions on the pitch. He'll be markedly improved next season. Have no doubt.
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Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 21:54 - Mar 8 with 982 views
There has not been a single moment throughout the season you could question the effort and application of the group.
It’s the same story that can be rinsed and repeated throughout the season - our recruitment wasn’t right, just simply not enough quality for this level.
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Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 22:08 - Mar 8 with 914 views
Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 20:59 - Mar 8 by ArnieM
But when they were fit, McKenna wouldn't play them for any meaningful minutes in a game. I do not see what he sees in Clarke or Philogene.
As another posters question re what experienced manager would keep this squad up. Probably not many.
I've said all along this season is a free hit for McKenna because we were promoted ahead of the club's schedule. The players we've bought are not PL ready. Far from it. Yet fir the life of me, I font getvwhy he hadn't tried more senior players ( Szmoducs, Broadhead, Chaplin, Burns, Hirsr) in a run of games in that front line instead of 20yr olds. I dont blame the players fir failing to take their gilt edged chances. There have been many , in many games, but we fail time and again to take them. So why on earth wouldn't you change things and TRY something different. I
It's like he only knows one way to play the game, and is trying to mold players to that way, instead of finding a system to suite the players attributes. I'm so frustrated with McKenna now. We are all but down, and it didn't need to be like this.
The players you mention haven't played in the Premier League before and 3 of them are injured and have been for a while. How many 20 year olds are we playing?
In League One you were complaining that McKenna was playing tippy-tappy football, last season it was the anti-Woolfenden stuff, now it's back to McKenna's tactics. He's done an incredible job so far and probably knows what he's doing. To suggest he only knows one way of playing is plain daft as were your Woolfie opinions.
Just have to accept that we haven't been good enough as a whole, and giving more minutes to Chaplin, Broadhead etc. really wouldn't have changed that.
On the plus side McKenna and players that stay should in theory be better prepared in next and subsequent seasons. We're still going to finish higher than we have in the last 20 seasons and this one has just been a slight bump in an upward trajectory.
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Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 22:30 - Mar 8 with 808 views
Was at the game today and could not fault the effort on 19:29 - Mar 8 by ArnieM
I think that's the best I've seen us ay all season tbh. He's certainly got us defending better as a complete team effort. But life of me I couldn't see where a goal was coming from that forward line. And this seems to be the pattern game after game.
Also, what is the point bringing on a striker With just four mins to play? What's the point?? Hirst should have been on the pitch h with 20 mins to in addition to Delap.
I'm so frustrated with McKenna and his decision making. We really shouldn't be in the bottom three, but tine snd yine again we more than match our opponents but can't take our gilt edged chances. Far too much had been put on Delaps shoulders this season. And that's down to McKenna.
We create fewer gilt-edged chances than our opponents though, pretty much every game (the polar opposite of last season). Today is another good example: Palace xG 3.42, 5 big chances, 4 missed. Ipswich xG 1.17, 2 big chances, 2 missed. We'd have lost if we were both clinical too.
I've watched a good amount of PL football this season. We're in my bottom three, no question: on paper, on the pitch, in quality. This is the normal outcome for a long-suffering EFL side, after £130m of spending. It doesn't lessen the ambition to overachieve, or the hope that other clubs will underachieve, but ambition and hope are very different from expectation and probability.
On McKenna's tactics and selection, it's unlikely we have wiser or more astute heads on this forum than in the dugout. Many have their favourites and many believe the well-worn cliché about insanity: if you're not doing drastically different things while we continue to lose, you're naïve / clueless / making mistakes. The truth is that other logical conclusions are available, both in respect to shorter-term success and longer-term payoff.
I write that last paragraph tentatively because what is a football forum, if not a place to share one's theories and flex one's tactical worth. And everyone is fallible, including elite managers. I just know who I'd have my fiver on lol, were we able to simulate different versions of the season with posters in charge instead.
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