| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and 13:18 - Sep 2 with 1365 views | FromReuserWithLove |
disjointed group of players. HE turned that group into the 'band of brothers' we're sad to see broken up today. Out of interest, how long did it take for him to get them drilled? I know it was mid-season and we were around mid-table but was there a fairy sharp upturn in form and bonding of men? |  | | |  |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:26 - Sep 2 with 1304 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Let's not forget the following season we even went on a run of 4 wins in 15 games culminating in the infamous Bristol Rovers draw.
So, a good season we were not the joined up band we became. |  | | |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:27 - Sep 2 with 1284 views | Swansea_Blue |
The improvement in play was immediate if I remember correctly. But I’ve got a rubbish memory so could well be wrong.
Edit - just looked at results. He joined 16th December 21. There was a game on the 18th that we drew 1-1 Sunderland (was he only in the stands then?). We then won 4 of the next 5. Also he lost only 2 of his first 18 games, including 12 clean sheets. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Ipswich_Town_F.C._season [Post edited 2 Sep 13:31]
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| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:30 - Sep 2 with 1254 views | jasondozzell |
He had an almost instant impact (Gillingham away second game) and progress was clear but it wasn't always linear.
We had a shout of crashing the play offs that first season but were massively unlucky at that Oxford away game conceding right at the death. That sort of killed momentum.
But you could see how good coaching was improving us game to game. If I remember correctly, we drew quite a lot of games. Last away game at Crewe was a draw I think. Then we beat Charlton resoundingly. You sensed he knew exactly what we needed to push on.
He fixed that n the summer and hit rhythm in 22/23 but there were wobbles. There were a load of idiots during the mid season dip that wanted him gone! Oxford in the fog and Cambridge away. The point was that you could see how good a coach he was. He was always more interested in performances than just results and over time he was right. We then went on that run and the rest is history.
The point I'm trying to make is that magic doesn't just happen. It is worked for and you have to let that work go on. It could well be the same with this new group.
KM is a world class coach and we just need to let him work and get behind him now. [Post edited 2 Sep 13:31]
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| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:33 - Sep 2 with 1199 views | Swansea_Blue |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:30 - Sep 2 by jasondozzell |
He had an almost instant impact (Gillingham away second game) and progress was clear but it wasn't always linear.
We had a shout of crashing the play offs that first season but were massively unlucky at that Oxford away game conceding right at the death. That sort of killed momentum.
But you could see how good coaching was improving us game to game. If I remember correctly, we drew quite a lot of games. Last away game at Crewe was a draw I think. Then we beat Charlton resoundingly. You sensed he knew exactly what we needed to push on.
He fixed that n the summer and hit rhythm in 22/23 but there were wobbles. There were a load of idiots during the mid season dip that wanted him gone! Oxford in the fog and Cambridge away. The point was that you could see how good a coach he was. He was always more interested in performances than just results and over time he was right. We then went on that run and the rest is history.
The point I'm trying to make is that magic doesn't just happen. It is worked for and you have to let that work go on. It could well be the same with this new group.
KM is a world class coach and we just need to let him work and get behind him now. [Post edited 2 Sep 13:31]
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Yes, the improved team coherence and patterns of play were obvious pretty much immediately if I remember it tightly. Glad you’ve said that as I thought that was the case but always second guess myself. | |
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| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:34 - Sep 2 with 1184 views | LeoMuff |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:26 - Sep 2 by burnbudgiesburn |
Let's not forget the following season we even went on a run of 4 wins in 15 games culminating in the infamous Bristol Rovers draw.
So, a good season we were not the joined up band we became. |
There absolutely was unrest after this game and Kmac out murmuring. From Charlton to Bristol over 15 games we won only 4 ans you say. After that next 15 w13 drew 2 including some real tough ones, that was when we clicked for me. |  |
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| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:38 - Sep 2 with 1147 views | jasondozzell |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:34 - Sep 2 by LeoMuff |
There absolutely was unrest after this game and Kmac out murmuring. From Charlton to Bristol over 15 games we won only 4 ans you say. After that next 15 w13 drew 2 including some real tough ones, that was when we clicked for me. |
Yep. I remember having weekly arguments with some people on here slagging him off and wanting him gone.
It was nuts at the time and looks even more nuts now. You could just see the way we played transformed in front of our eyes. It was so exciting. I remember thatc away game at Crewe as the last away day of that season and just thinking 'next season is going to be special'.
The key was Broady in Jan 23. He unlocked those teams who sat in. | | | |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:44 - Sep 2 with 1106 views | _clive_baker_ |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:27 - Sep 2 by Swansea_Blue |
The improvement in play was immediate if I remember correctly. But I’ve got a rubbish memory so could well be wrong.
Edit - just looked at results. He joined 16th December 21. There was a game on the 18th that we drew 1-1 Sunderland (was he only in the stands then?). We then won 4 of the next 5. Also he lost only 2 of his first 18 games, including 12 clean sheets. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Ipswich_Town_F.C._season [Post edited 2 Sep 13:31]
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Yeah he was in the stand for Sunderland, 1-1 Norwood scored for us and Broadhead for them. Results picked up almost immediately albeit performances took a bit longer. I remember us schooling Charlton on the final day and thinking 'we're on to something here'. The next 2 years was pretty fun. |  | | |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:44 - Sep 2 with 1106 views | Vic |
He took over when we were 15th. If I remember correctly we finished 11th. The next season it eventually clicked in terms of consistent results.
Basically it took a while. So I think we might have to be patient. Make no mistake though, this is make or break for him as our manager. |  |
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| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:55 - Sep 2 with 974 views | _clive_baker_ |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:34 - Sep 2 by LeoMuff |
There absolutely was unrest after this game and Kmac out murmuring. From Charlton to Bristol over 15 games we won only 4 ans you say. After that next 15 w13 drew 2 including some real tough ones, that was when we clicked for me. |
Bristol Rovers was a bit toxic, it was when Morsy came over at the end and a couple of people were giving out to him, I think it was more frustration than anything else and a consequence of the results that had come before it, 2 wins in 10 at that point and a lot of draws. Maybe also that people had sacrificed their valentines day shag for a 0-0 at the Memorial.
I actually didn't think we played badly that night in isolation and was on here getting pelters for saying as much the next day. The result was dictating the narrative but 8 times out of 10 we win that and its seen as a very good 3 points. They set up for a point and were very defensive, albeit possibly had the best chance when Scott Sinclair hit the post. We dominated them, loads of possession and shots, just couldn't really find a cutting edge.
We then beat FGR 4-0 on the Saturday and the rest is history. | | | |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:57 - Sep 2 with 960 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:44 - Sep 2 by Vic |
He took over when we were 15th. If I remember correctly we finished 11th. The next season it eventually clicked in terms of consistent results.
Basically it took a while. So I think we might have to be patient. Make no mistake though, this is make or break for him as our manager. |
It also didnt just take a while, the squad he took on had also had 4 month of football gelling when he took over,
We're basically at Paul Cooks stage of his own career with town, the question is will the board give KM the time to oversee this change or like PC will they give him until december. That's pretty much all that matters. Not the fans thoughts but Ashton and the owners. |  |
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| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 14:05 - Sep 2 with 889 views | _clive_baker_ |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:57 - Sep 2 by FrimleyBlue |
It also didnt just take a while, the squad he took on had also had 4 month of football gelling when he took over,
We're basically at Paul Cooks stage of his own career with town, the question is will the board give KM the time to oversee this change or like PC will they give him until december. That's pretty much all that matters. Not the fans thoughts but Ashton and the owners. |
Paul Cook didn't have any credit in the bank, he had nothing like the coaching credentials of McKenna, got absolutely no reaction from the squad when he joined (he actually took us backwards), isolated a lot of people, spent most of his time on the p1ss and never found any sort of consistency with his new squad in 21/22. I didn't see many premier league clubs sniffing round Paul Cook.
McKenna's worked his b0llocks off since the day he joined and in his 110 league games managing us outside the premier league we've lost only 15.
If anyone is even contemplating calling for his head at this stage they need to take a look at themselves. He's more than earned the right to have time to get this new group clicking. | | | |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 14:13 - Sep 2 with 800 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 14:05 - Sep 2 by _clive_baker_ |
Paul Cook didn't have any credit in the bank, he had nothing like the coaching credentials of McKenna, got absolutely no reaction from the squad when he joined (he actually took us backwards), isolated a lot of people, spent most of his time on the p1ss and never found any sort of consistency with his new squad in 21/22. I didn't see many premier league clubs sniffing round Paul Cook.
McKenna's worked his b0llocks off since the day he joined and in his 110 league games managing us outside the premier league we've lost only 15.
If anyone is even contemplating calling for his head at this stage they need to take a look at themselves. He's more than earned the right to have time to get this new group clicking. |
Probably a big correlation between those who are getting angsty about him now and those who wanted him out after Bristol Rovers. Which makes it bizarre now because we have a body of evidence about him.
We should absolutely give him time, even if this season isn't the top 2 we all hoped it would be. Even then we would have to be very poor to not make the play offs with this squad imo.
That doesn't mean people can't criticise or be dissappointed of course. I'm fully behind Kieran, but the fact we can't really seem to get a tune out of Philogene, Clarke or Smodicz yet (despite their obvious talent at this level and previous performance) is one of mine. [Post edited 2 Sep 14:14]
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| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 14:36 - Sep 2 with 706 views | darkhorse28 |
Did he?
Or after six months together, did he give them good coaching some extra bodies and take talent, and THEY did it?
Chaplin and Morsy, and Burgess, and Burns, and several others already here, were WAY above that level.
Adding Massimo was a big step, but that group I feel would have got out of that league with or without McKenna - it likely wouldn’t have done what came next though.
But would McKenna have got us up without Morsy, Chaplin, Burns and Burgess - he really wouldn’t would he.
We can see where the balance of motivation lay, it’s been over a year and 44 games and £200 million spent.., we can measure how good a man manger McKenna is in adversity, and he’s woeful!
Morsy would be through this group in about five seconds
ONE goal this season from open play .., an own goal. And zero response form the group when things go wrong.., for over a year!!
That’s not form.
So as a measure. McKenna didn’t build the succesful leadership group.
And if anything he’s destroyed it. Replacing it with more quality, but less passion and desire, and will to win, and it’s already failed, his needing to build a squad TWICE in 12 months is his own acceptance of his failings.
McKenna had the same record as Paul Cook.
12th after six months.., if anything Cooks group had never played together, so I thought he was very unlucky to go, and McKenna got mitigations for being new to management and so young.
The time that group started to come together, it had actually been 12 months.
And yes McKenna deserves credit, but clearly not exclusively, it’s obvious now where other were mitigating his weaknesses.
It’s a shame some can’t see it, including Ashton, because we repeating mistakes, over, and over again.
This group won’t come together this season.
And if we don’t go up next, we will have spent over £200 million with £5 million PA basic TV revenue.
You don’t want to know what happens next.
So endless hundreds of millions and patience, all because you sold yourself a McKenna fantasy, and attached your ego to it, doesn’t work.
Our club is MORE important long term, than your ego, your attachments, your fantasy.
We need some patience, but not forever, this is game 44 in a woeful run, now against anything but elite sides.., that’s not bad luck.., it’s a man with no solutions to problems he doesn’t even understand.
Morsy, Chaplin.., Burgess.., and others, they carried him motivationaly.
I wonder why nobody efuses over him when they leave???
That tell the story.
They know he’s been found out, and out of his depth.
We gave him a champions league level contract to work it out.
Ashton is where the biggest issues lay.., never ever close to elite and doesn’t know what it looks like, never has, never will. | | | |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 14:45 - Sep 2 with 667 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 14:36 - Sep 2 by darkhorse28 |
Did he?
Or after six months together, did he give them good coaching some extra bodies and take talent, and THEY did it?
Chaplin and Morsy, and Burgess, and Burns, and several others already here, were WAY above that level.
Adding Massimo was a big step, but that group I feel would have got out of that league with or without McKenna - it likely wouldn’t have done what came next though.
But would McKenna have got us up without Morsy, Chaplin, Burns and Burgess - he really wouldn’t would he.
We can see where the balance of motivation lay, it’s been over a year and 44 games and £200 million spent.., we can measure how good a man manger McKenna is in adversity, and he’s woeful!
Morsy would be through this group in about five seconds
ONE goal this season from open play .., an own goal. And zero response form the group when things go wrong.., for over a year!!
That’s not form.
So as a measure. McKenna didn’t build the succesful leadership group.
And if anything he’s destroyed it. Replacing it with more quality, but less passion and desire, and will to win, and it’s already failed, his needing to build a squad TWICE in 12 months is his own acceptance of his failings.
McKenna had the same record as Paul Cook.
12th after six months.., if anything Cooks group had never played together, so I thought he was very unlucky to go, and McKenna got mitigations for being new to management and so young.
The time that group started to come together, it had actually been 12 months.
And yes McKenna deserves credit, but clearly not exclusively, it’s obvious now where other were mitigating his weaknesses.
It’s a shame some can’t see it, including Ashton, because we repeating mistakes, over, and over again.
This group won’t come together this season.
And if we don’t go up next, we will have spent over £200 million with £5 million PA basic TV revenue.
You don’t want to know what happens next.
So endless hundreds of millions and patience, all because you sold yourself a McKenna fantasy, and attached your ego to it, doesn’t work.
Our club is MORE important long term, than your ego, your attachments, your fantasy.
We need some patience, but not forever, this is game 44 in a woeful run, now against anything but elite sides.., that’s not bad luck.., it’s a man with no solutions to problems he doesn’t even understand.
Morsy, Chaplin.., Burgess.., and others, they carried him motivationaly.
I wonder why nobody efuses over him when they leave???
That tell the story.
They know he’s been found out, and out of his depth.
We gave him a champions league level contract to work it out.
Ashton is where the biggest issues lay.., never ever close to elite and doesn’t know what it looks like, never has, never will. |
What on earth are you flapping on about now. |  |
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| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 14:52 - Sep 2 with 635 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
In that magical league 1 season we had most shots in 45/46 games with 1 game us having a equal number as the opposition? If anyone cares to have a guess? Most games we were having 3 or 4x the amount of shots.
During that winter period it just wasn't falling for us and show how truly fickle some fans are that at the time they were wanting a change. | | | |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 14:58 - Sep 2 with 610 views | thebooks |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:57 - Sep 2 by FrimleyBlue |
It also didnt just take a while, the squad he took on had also had 4 month of football gelling when he took over,
We're basically at Paul Cooks stage of his own career with town, the question is will the board give KM the time to oversee this change or like PC will they give him until december. That's pretty much all that matters. Not the fans thoughts but Ashton and the owners. |
Must have missed us playing the best football I've seen here for 20-odd years or getting to the Premier League under Paul Cook. |  | | |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 15:07 - Sep 2 with 553 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 14:58 - Sep 2 by thebooks |
Must have missed us playing the best football I've seen here for 20-odd years or getting to the Premier League under Paul Cook. |
Now sure what that has to do with my post TBH
Im not comparing managers, just literally saying that KM finds himself at the same crossroads PC found himself in when going through his own large turnover of players and that it's simply a beginning of a project. | |
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| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 15:10 - Sep 2 with 530 views | TownieRob |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 14:36 - Sep 2 by darkhorse28 |
Did he?
Or after six months together, did he give them good coaching some extra bodies and take talent, and THEY did it?
Chaplin and Morsy, and Burgess, and Burns, and several others already here, were WAY above that level.
Adding Massimo was a big step, but that group I feel would have got out of that league with or without McKenna - it likely wouldn’t have done what came next though.
But would McKenna have got us up without Morsy, Chaplin, Burns and Burgess - he really wouldn’t would he.
We can see where the balance of motivation lay, it’s been over a year and 44 games and £200 million spent.., we can measure how good a man manger McKenna is in adversity, and he’s woeful!
Morsy would be through this group in about five seconds
ONE goal this season from open play .., an own goal. And zero response form the group when things go wrong.., for over a year!!
That’s not form.
So as a measure. McKenna didn’t build the succesful leadership group.
And if anything he’s destroyed it. Replacing it with more quality, but less passion and desire, and will to win, and it’s already failed, his needing to build a squad TWICE in 12 months is his own acceptance of his failings.
McKenna had the same record as Paul Cook.
12th after six months.., if anything Cooks group had never played together, so I thought he was very unlucky to go, and McKenna got mitigations for being new to management and so young.
The time that group started to come together, it had actually been 12 months.
And yes McKenna deserves credit, but clearly not exclusively, it’s obvious now where other were mitigating his weaknesses.
It’s a shame some can’t see it, including Ashton, because we repeating mistakes, over, and over again.
This group won’t come together this season.
And if we don’t go up next, we will have spent over £200 million with £5 million PA basic TV revenue.
You don’t want to know what happens next.
So endless hundreds of millions and patience, all because you sold yourself a McKenna fantasy, and attached your ego to it, doesn’t work.
Our club is MORE important long term, than your ego, your attachments, your fantasy.
We need some patience, but not forever, this is game 44 in a woeful run, now against anything but elite sides.., that’s not bad luck.., it’s a man with no solutions to problems he doesn’t even understand.
Morsy, Chaplin.., Burgess.., and others, they carried him motivationaly.
I wonder why nobody efuses over him when they leave???
That tell the story.
They know he’s been found out, and out of his depth.
We gave him a champions league level contract to work it out.
Ashton is where the biggest issues lay.., never ever close to elite and doesn’t know what it looks like, never has, never will. |
I’ve been on the negative side myself through this window and at the start of the season, so I get it. I’ve also had my moments of calling out our PL approach. But after a half-decent night’s sleep once the window closed, I realised… it’s really not as bad as we’re making out.
Do I think it’s perfect? Absolutely not. The squad seems a little unbalanced and some of the buisness does seem odd and over the past 18 months I do think we’ve signed names rather than fits, for the system. Certain players also seem nailed to start just because of their price tags. And yes, it bothers me that some of our promotion heroes were let go when, truthfully, I feel they weren’t much worse than what we have kept.
All of the above said, I can’t think of anyone better suited to squeeze a tune out of this new group. So get some rest, it’s really not all doom and gloom just yet and besides, there’s plenty of season left for the wheels to completely fall off if that’s the way it’s going to go... :) | | | |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 21:43 - Sep 2 with 185 views | BlueBadger |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 13:57 - Sep 2 by FrimleyBlue |
It also didnt just take a while, the squad he took on had also had 4 month of football gelling when he took over,
We're basically at Paul Cooks stage of his own career with town, the question is will the board give KM the time to oversee this change or like PC will they give him until december. That's pretty much all that matters. Not the fans thoughts but Ashton and the owners. |
We didn't look any more 'gelled' in Cook's final game than we did at the start of the season. We pretty much instantly looked more coherent under McKenna. |  |
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| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 21:53 - Sep 2 with 141 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna joined us at a time of big change and on 21:43 - Sep 2 by BlueBadger |
We didn't look any more 'gelled' in Cook's final game than we did at the start of the season. We pretty much instantly looked more coherent under McKenna. |
Mcgreal was part of that badge. His very brief time in charge he handled it well and if I remember rightly slightly changed our shape from what PC did.. ( I may horribly have this wrong but that's how I remember it) and managed to get ashton to allow norword to play again ( is that correct?
BTW this isn't demeanishing anything KM did. It's more about km at this present time is in what id call a worse situation than what he took on as this for me seems almost like starting from fresh compared to something that wasn't fresh but was slightly damaged and needed guidance. | |
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