| OGS and GON managerial record comparison 18:47 - Jun 18 with 1837 views | TwoKnightsInIpswich |
Managerial record comparison
P W D L Win %
Gary O'Neil. 127 44 23 60 34.65
Ole Gunnar Solskjær 471 250 94 127 53.08 |  |
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| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 18:51 - Jun 18 with 1775 views | franz_tyson |
How can you compare those figures?
OGS is a combination of PL ( high and low), Norwegian and Turkish leagues.
GON is PL and Frehch league.
I'd imagine OGS' win percentage has been massaged favourably by the Norwegian league and having one of the biggest budgets in world football at Man U. |  | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 18:59 - Jun 18 with 1710 views | BlueForYou |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 18:51 - Jun 18 by franz_tyson |
How can you compare those figures?
OGS is a combination of PL ( high and low), Norwegian and Turkish leagues.
GON is PL and Frehch league.
I'd imagine OGS' win percentage has been massaged favourably by the Norwegian league and having one of the biggest budgets in world football at Man U. |
Solshaers win percentage in management is pretty high & I think he's above 50% during his time at ManU. Impressive for me. Did well in Turkey also. |  | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 19:03 - Jun 18 with 1669 views | franz_tyson |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 18:59 - Jun 18 by BlueForYou |
Solshaers win percentage in management is pretty high & I think he's above 50% during his time at ManU. Impressive for me. Did well in Turkey also. |
He got sacked pretty quickly in Turkey.
He won't be having the resources he had at Man U. These are relevant facts. | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 19:06 - Jun 18 with 1629 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 18:51 - Jun 18 by franz_tyson |
How can you compare those figures?
OGS is a combination of PL ( high and low), Norwegian and Turkish leagues.
GON is PL and Frehch league.
I'd imagine OGS' win percentage has been massaged favourably by the Norwegian league and having one of the biggest budgets in world football at Man U. |
But in each league OGS worked in, he’d have been working with players of a level relative to the league he was working in. Therefore the win % is absolutely a measure of how he performed against his peers with similar resources / player level. | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 19:07 - Jun 18 with 1628 views | Swansea_Blue |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 18:59 - Jun 18 by BlueForYou |
Solshaers win percentage in management is pretty high & I think he's above 50% during his time at ManU. Impressive for me. Did well in Turkey also. |
Someone posted earlier the win %ages for Man U and Molde over the last 15 years or so, and they rarely change irrespective of the manager. Big clubs do well in the main because of the better players, more resources behind the scenes, etc.
The only stat that’s relevant to us is OGS’ at Cardiff, as a newly promoted club needing significant squad strengthening. And even then were obviously different clubs with different recruitment setups, financing, decision/makers, etc.
I’m sure MA will be more interested in their respective visions and plans for our team. And even then I hope he’s got some other irons in the fire. |  |
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| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 19:07 - Jun 18 with 1627 views | Jon_456 |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 18:59 - Jun 18 by BlueForYou |
Solshaers win percentage in management is pretty high & I think he's above 50% during his time at ManU. Impressive for me. Did well in Turkey also. |
Man managing bigger club has higher win percentage shocker..
Completely pointless stat. | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 19:12 - Jun 18 with 1571 views | franz_tyson |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 19:06 - Jun 18 by SuffolkPunchFC |
But in each league OGS worked in, he’d have been working with players of a level relative to the league he was working in. Therefore the win % is absolutely a measure of how he performed against his peers with similar resources / player level. |
Come on. The level of player at Arsenal and Wolves are radically different.... yet they're the same league. How can you say they're the same level.
You think Pep would get top 3 if he had Wolves or Burnley's players? | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 19:17 - Jun 18 with 1532 views | Vaughan8 |
Like comparing Apples with Oranges...........
Or like a broken pencil.................pointless. | | | |
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| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 20:00 - Jun 18 with 1349 views | jas0999 |
Not comparable. OGS had an exceptional squad at Manchester United. Many on here could win games with that squad. I don’t like GO but he has more experience at the bottom of the league.
Still not sure OGS is the right or what we need now. Too much sentiment around KM still and appointing his best mate might not help. | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 20:33 - Jun 18 with 1260 views | itfc48 |
Obviously like most people I’d love a Glasner or Frank but we have to be realistic, we’re a newly promoted team and any manager with half a brain will know it’s hard to follow a manager who was popular and successful.
For me the big issues with OGS are that he’s not managed much in the past 5 years and would be without the two world class coaches he had at United in KMc and Carrick.
O’Neil probably preferable out of the two as he did very well at Bournemouth and first season at Wolves. Obviously it all went a bit Pete Tong after that but I think he’s got promise. He’s also probably more used to our type of off field structure.
A big question is what will happen to the coaches already here? It’ll be a large unexpected expense to have to pay them all off. I’d personally like to see us retain the likes of Gilmartin as he’s a great young coach and clearly highly respected amongst the squad. | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 20:37 - Jun 18 with 1221 views | bluefunk |
Ignore OGS record at Man Utd, as he had KMc as a coach😁 |  | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 20:45 - Jun 18 with 1182 views | NedPlimpton |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 19:06 - Jun 18 by SuffolkPunchFC |
But in each league OGS worked in, he’d have been working with players of a level relative to the league he was working in. Therefore the win % is absolutely a measure of how he performed against his peers with similar resources / player level. |
That's such a bizarre way of looking at it
McKenna's win percentage in the premier league is terrible, one of the worst ever. Doesn't mean he's a rubbish manager |  | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 20:45 - Jun 18 with 1172 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 19:12 - Jun 18 by franz_tyson |
Come on. The level of player at Arsenal and Wolves are radically different.... yet they're the same league. How can you say they're the same level.
You think Pep would get top 3 if he had Wolves or Burnley's players? |
You’ve completely missed the point.
When he managed in the Norway and Turkey leagues, he had a squad of players whose level was relative to that league. Some are trying to downplay his win percentage because ‘its’s easy in those leagues, and not comparable’. It’s entirely comparable because you’re playing against teams in a league at a certain level.
Otherwise you’re doing the same as trying to judge a motor sports driver who is in a F2 car in a F1 race. Is that driver poor because he never wins a race in their F2 car in an F1 race, or should you judge him on his excellent win rate when he competed in F2 races? | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 20:54 - Jun 18 with 1120 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 20:45 - Jun 18 by NedPlimpton |
That's such a bizarre way of looking at it
McKenna's win percentage in the premier league is terrible, one of the worst ever. Doesn't mean he's a rubbish manager |
You’re missing the point too. Did KmK have the players in the PL? Not at the level that was needed - I think everyone agrees that.
See my analogy in the other post. He had the F2 car in an F1 race.
Dismissing OGS’s win rate in Norway and Turkey does not recognise that the teams in those leagues were at a similar level range. So his win rate should be seen positively. Is it a guarantee that he’d be successful in the PL with Town? No, but a big part of it will be the squad he ends up with - but for me he’s proved in most cases (excepting Cardiff - but the club was in a state when he joined) that when he has the tools appropriate for the job, he did pretty well. | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 21:18 - Jun 18 with 1025 views | Parky |
If we’re comparing, GON didn’t continue to play and captain a charged rapist. It’s even widely reported Ole’s agent and bestfriend helped Sarr become a fugitive and move to a country with no
extradition agreement with Norway.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/fo
https://josimarfootball.com/20 | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 21:59 - Jun 18 with 867 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 20:54 - Jun 18 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You’re missing the point too. Did KmK have the players in the PL? Not at the level that was needed - I think everyone agrees that.
See my analogy in the other post. He had the F2 car in an F1 race.
Dismissing OGS’s win rate in Norway and Turkey does not recognise that the teams in those leagues were at a similar level range. So his win rate should be seen positively. Is it a guarantee that he’d be successful in the PL with Town? No, but a big part of it will be the squad he ends up with - but for me he’s proved in most cases (excepting Cardiff - but the club was in a state when he joined) that when he has the tools appropriate for the job, he did pretty well. |
I'm not sure I understand your point.
Why do you think it's a level playing field in Norway or Turkey?
Both clubs are historically two of the biggest in their respective leagues, have both won the league on numerous occasions and as such they have had better players.
In the last 20 years Besiktas have an average finishing position of 3rd, they have the 3rd most valuable squad in the league, they are 3rd in average transfer spending over a similar time frame.
Molde have an average finishing position of 4th, they have the 3rd most expensive squad in the league and they are continually amongst the highest spenders in the league.
To use your analogy. In both cases he had a Mclaren/ Red Bull/ Mercedes/ Ferrari car vs his rivals ... | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 22:33 - Jun 18 with 751 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 21:59 - Jun 18 by Bellevue_Blue |
I'm not sure I understand your point.
Why do you think it's a level playing field in Norway or Turkey?
Both clubs are historically two of the biggest in their respective leagues, have both won the league on numerous occasions and as such they have had better players.
In the last 20 years Besiktas have an average finishing position of 3rd, they have the 3rd most valuable squad in the league, they are 3rd in average transfer spending over a similar time frame.
Molde have an average finishing position of 4th, they have the 3rd most expensive squad in the league and they are continually amongst the highest spenders in the league.
To use your analogy. In both cases he had a Mclaren/ Red Bull/ Mercedes/ Ferrari car vs his rivals ... |
My original post was in reply to the suggestion that win ratios in the Norway &Turkish leagues cannot be compared to the PL (when looking at OGS vs GON), as they’re not the same difficult. My point is that this is not a valid point, as the different national leagues are at different relative levels and game difficulty is relative within that national league. | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 22:53 - Jun 18 with 686 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 22:33 - Jun 18 by SuffolkPunchFC |
My original post was in reply to the suggestion that win ratios in the Norway &Turkish leagues cannot be compared to the PL (when looking at OGS vs GON), as they’re not the same difficult. My point is that this is not a valid point, as the different national leagues are at different relative levels and game difficulty is relative within that national league. |
Oh I get you. I don't want to put words in others mouths but my interpretation was that it was never a case of you can't judge PL vs the other two down to overall difficulty.
I think the point was that OGS has overwhelmingly managed at clubs who occupy the top of their divisions, GON has overwhelmingly managed at the bottom.
Therefore given the discrepancy in resources, it's simply not a fair comparison regardless of nation or division. | | | |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 00:51 - Jun 19 with 578 views | BlueForYou |
| OGS and GON managerial record comparison on 20:45 - Jun 18 by NedPlimpton |
That's such a bizarre way of looking at it
McKenna's win percentage in the premier league is terrible, one of the worst ever. Doesn't mean he's a rubbish manager |
It points to him being a rubbish manager at that level, whereas his success has been at a lower level. | | | |
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