| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs 17:14 - Jun 18 with 1353 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Judge issues maximum sentence possible and makes John McGowan-Fazakerley serve his two sentences one after the other.
Appreciate this feels so woefully inadequate, but credit to the judge for punishing to the maximum possible point. |  |
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| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 18:24 - Jun 18 with 1239 views | cressi |
Their life's will now be a constant of looking over their shoulder until the moment another prisoner hurts or kill them. Like Ian Watkins out the lost prophets. |  | | |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 18:34 - Jun 18 with 1220 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 18:24 - Jun 18 by cressi |
Their life's will now be a constant of looking over their shoulder until the moment another prisoner hurts or kill them. Like Ian Watkins out the lost prophets. |
Yep, very likely they’ll not see out their terms. Which wouldn’t be right really, even though it feels very wrong to suggest they should be protected and safe in jail. They’re due some suffering. I know sod all about it, but I can’t imagine violent jails is a good thing and of any help to those people in there who are trying to atone and turn their lives around. |  |
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| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 22:13 - Jun 18 with 1107 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 18:34 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep, very likely they’ll not see out their terms. Which wouldn’t be right really, even though it feels very wrong to suggest they should be protected and safe in jail. They’re due some suffering. I know sod all about it, but I can’t imagine violent jails is a good thing and of any help to those people in there who are trying to atone and turn their lives around. |
Someone on YouTube rightly pointed out that if Varley gets attacked in prison it will only cost the taxpayers to treat him in hospital. So wishing him an agonizing death in jail isn't necessarily the best fate.
Personally, the thought of him having to live every day of the rest of his life worried about who might attack him and worried for his life is a fairly decent price he has to pay, even if it will never atone for the poor, innocent life he destroyed and took away. [Post edited 18 Jun 22:14]
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| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 22:39 - Jun 18 with 1060 views | GlasgowBlue |
I hope they suffer for every single day they are behind bars until somebody decides enough is enough and ends them. |  |
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| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 22:48 - Jun 18 with 1032 views | Vaughan8 |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 18:24 - Jun 18 by cressi |
Their life's will now be a constant of looking over their shoulder until the moment another prisoner hurts or kill them. Like Ian Watkins out the lost prophets. |
Yep. They're almost certainly going to get killed in Jail at some point. | | | |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 22:51 - Jun 18 with 1015 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
This case only serves to further prove that there are some seriously messed up individuals out there whose actions should not infer consequences on their wider demographic. |  |
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| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 23:08 - Jun 18 with 980 views | vapour_trail |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 22:51 - Jun 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
This case only serves to further prove that there are some seriously messed up individuals out there whose actions should not infer consequences on their wider demographic. |
Yep. If the guilty were brown or black, their neighbourhoods would be on fire tonight. |  |
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| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 23:39 - Jun 18 with 914 views | Trequartista |
They've got a life sentence that will probably end in a gruesome death rather than a death penalty where we can choose how to end the life yet it is called "barbaric" |  |
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| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 23:51 - Jun 18 with 877 views | MattinLondon |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 23:39 - Jun 18 by Trequartista |
They've got a life sentence that will probably end in a gruesome death rather than a death penalty where we can choose how to end the life yet it is called "barbaric" |
The death penalty is barbaric.
Murdering people regardless of their crimes in jail is barbaric.
Their crimes were barbaric. |  | | |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 00:00 - Jun 19 with 856 views | vinceg |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 18:24 - Jun 18 by cressi |
Their life's will now be a constant of looking over their shoulder until the moment another prisoner hurts or kill them. Like Ian Watkins out the lost prophets. |
Not sure how I feel about this. Scum like this deserve to feel the same terror that poor little boy felt. I imagine sitting in the death cell knowing that at dawn the next day someone is going to put a rope around your neck and drop you through a trapdoor is pretty terrifying. Counting down the remaining moments of your life.
Equally, living in fear the rest of your life in prison, watching your back ever day, waiting for someone to have a go at you must be terrifying too. There is surely more humanity in a quick death on the gallows than making someone endure the wait for the inevitable violent death at the hands of a fellow prisoner.
However I am against the death penalty as I am happy for my taxes to pay for them to live in fear for many years. Sounds cold, but why do people like this deserve any humanity? |  | | |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 07:16 - Jun 19 with 728 views | Churchman |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 00:00 - Jun 19 by vinceg |
Not sure how I feel about this. Scum like this deserve to feel the same terror that poor little boy felt. I imagine sitting in the death cell knowing that at dawn the next day someone is going to put a rope around your neck and drop you through a trapdoor is pretty terrifying. Counting down the remaining moments of your life.
Equally, living in fear the rest of your life in prison, watching your back ever day, waiting for someone to have a go at you must be terrifying too. There is surely more humanity in a quick death on the gallows than making someone endure the wait for the inevitable violent death at the hands of a fellow prisoner.
However I am against the death penalty as I am happy for my taxes to pay for them to live in fear for many years. Sounds cold, but why do people like this deserve any humanity? |
I cannot support capital punishment. If I was an MP, I just couldn’t vote for it, despite what I’d want and do personally if that innocent child was a relation of mine.
I don’t care if those creatures live in terror. Every second of their miserable lives isn’t enough to atone for anything. I also don’t care if another criminal cuts their throats from ear to ear.
All I know is that while they are breathing you and I should not be paying for their upkeep or, if they wish to, their relations can fund it. It costs about £55k a year to keep one of those creatures alive.
If they are unhappy about it, attach a hook to the ceiling, a rope to the hook and a chair underneath it. Up to them. They made a choice to do what they did. They can make another one if they wish to.
An emotive view, but driven by thoughts for victims and their families whose lives in these instances are often destroyed. Thought, consideration or assistance to them always seems to be bottom of the priority list. [Post edited 19 Jun 7:17]
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| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 07:55 - Jun 19 with 652 views | WeWereZombies |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 07:16 - Jun 19 by Churchman |
I cannot support capital punishment. If I was an MP, I just couldn’t vote for it, despite what I’d want and do personally if that innocent child was a relation of mine.
I don’t care if those creatures live in terror. Every second of their miserable lives isn’t enough to atone for anything. I also don’t care if another criminal cuts their throats from ear to ear.
All I know is that while they are breathing you and I should not be paying for their upkeep or, if they wish to, their relations can fund it. It costs about £55k a year to keep one of those creatures alive.
If they are unhappy about it, attach a hook to the ceiling, a rope to the hook and a chair underneath it. Up to them. They made a choice to do what they did. They can make another one if they wish to.
An emotive view, but driven by thoughts for victims and their families whose lives in these instances are often destroyed. Thought, consideration or assistance to them always seems to be bottom of the priority list. [Post edited 19 Jun 7:17]
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We are not paying £55,000 a year to keep them alive, we are paying £55,000 a year as part of the billions it costs to have a (barely) functioning legal system in a representative democracy. If you try and select what part of that you want to accept and what part you want to go against then you risk pulling it all apart to the detriment of the state and all its citizens. |  |
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| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 08:24 - Jun 19 with 593 views | Churchman |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 07:55 - Jun 19 by WeWereZombies |
We are not paying £55,000 a year to keep them alive, we are paying £55,000 a year as part of the billions it costs to have a (barely) functioning legal system in a representative democracy. If you try and select what part of that you want to accept and what part you want to go against then you risk pulling it all apart to the detriment of the state and all its citizens. |
I don’t think making prisoners pay for their keep is unreasonable or contrary to any form of democracy. All of them. Prison is voluntary. Same as buying a holiday. It’s a choice.
All I ask for is that they along with all convicted criminals, or their families, pay for it. What is unfair about that?
In my opinion, paying £55k a year to keep them alive is exactly what we are doing. As for a barely functioning Justice system, we all know why it’s in the state it’s in. But it is what it is sadly, so maybe part solutions of making criminals literally pay for their actions and upkeep might help with funding it. | | | |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 08:50 - Jun 19 with 547 views | WeWereZombies |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 08:24 - Jun 19 by Churchman |
I don’t think making prisoners pay for their keep is unreasonable or contrary to any form of democracy. All of them. Prison is voluntary. Same as buying a holiday. It’s a choice.
All I ask for is that they along with all convicted criminals, or their families, pay for it. What is unfair about that?
In my opinion, paying £55k a year to keep them alive is exactly what we are doing. As for a barely functioning Justice system, we all know why it’s in the state it’s in. But it is what it is sadly, so maybe part solutions of making criminals literally pay for their actions and upkeep might help with funding it. |
Quite apart from the practicalities of the ability to pay (or are you really advocating a return to the Seventeenth Century system where wealthy murderers could live a life of luxury in prison with only their freedom of movement curtailed whilst petty thieves are consigned to a slow death through malnutrition ?) there is an issue of collective responsibility that we as citizens should bear for breakdowns in public order.
So whilst I find your post appalling, especially the first paragraph, there is the value of discourse on forums like TWTD. We tease out the inconsistencies of thought that we all possess and need to correct. | |
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| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 09:09 - Jun 19 with 520 views | Billywitch |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 22:51 - Jun 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
This case only serves to further prove that there are some seriously messed up individuals out there whose actions should not infer consequences on their wider demographic. |
I had the misfortune of reading the story about that poor little boy on the same day i read the rape gang enquiry.
seriously messed up individuals, indeed. | | | |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 09:51 - Jun 19 with 451 views | MattinLondon |
| Baby Preston: Varley gets whole life sentence without parole, partner gets 25yrs on 08:24 - Jun 19 by Churchman |
I don’t think making prisoners pay for their keep is unreasonable or contrary to any form of democracy. All of them. Prison is voluntary. Same as buying a holiday. It’s a choice.
All I ask for is that they along with all convicted criminals, or their families, pay for it. What is unfair about that?
In my opinion, paying £55k a year to keep them alive is exactly what we are doing. As for a barely functioning Justice system, we all know why it’s in the state it’s in. But it is what it is sadly, so maybe part solutions of making criminals literally pay for their actions and upkeep might help with funding it. |
It’s unfair because you’re basically penalising people simply because they are related. And the taxpayer will pay more in the long run.
A 45yo man gets convicted of a crime - he’s not married but he has elderly parents who have worked hard and have never come close to being in trouble with the police. They get a bill for their sons upkeep - they have to sell their modest home and then claim social housing for the rest of their lives. And the financial stress causes medical issues which the NHS will need to fund.
And that’s just one example. | | | |
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