| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media 14:58 - Sep 9 with 3608 views | NthQldITFC |
I've been listening to Radio 4, Radio 5 and the World Service today, and the tone of various interviews on the Palestine issue seems somehow different.
There have been some extraordinarily desperate (in my opinion) and awful rants from apologists for Israel's regime (Angela Epstein, West Bank settlers etc.) and on the other hand similarly extraordinary declarations from the likes of Erhud Olmert and other Jewish people who come across as so frustrated and angry with the misuse of the term 'antisemitism'. Notable that one or two BBC presenters have shown real frustration with some of the pro-Israel rants too.
Not sure what effect the UK, France, Canada et al will have on the actors who are really in control of the outcomes, but something certainly seems to have shifted in our media as a result of Labour's shift in stance. About fkn time. |  |
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 15:06 - Sep 9 with 2918 views | jasondozzell |
I'm afraid it's all deeply insulting and far too little too late.
The sanctions mentioned are really just symbolic and they are the very least you might expect from a government following international law. Had Corbyn won in 2017 this is what would have been done from the off.
Unfortunately the Labour right saw it all as another great opportunity to scream abuse at JC and the Labour left and thought it was fantastic. I remember the journalists gleefully chasing him down the street shouting 'will you condemn Hamas?' over and over again. The very worst people in the world doubled down on their cynical and immoral weaponusation of AS for their own political agenda.
Slowly it has dawned on them that it was a genocide. That has made things rather awkward for the lads.
But the grown ups were back in the room or something.
This country is finished. [Post edited 9 Sep 15:06]
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 15:14 - Sep 9 with 2880 views | jayessess |
Thought it was particularly disgusting to hear Justin Webb effectively questioning Ed Miliband's Jewishness. Absolutely unacceptable.
Justin Webb doing 'the wrong kind of Jew' during his interview with Ed Miliband on Radio 4s flagship morning politics program. — Saul Staniforth (@saulstaniforth.bsky.social) 2026-09-09T08:40:49.162Z
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 15:44 - Sep 9 with 2687 views | Blueschev |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 15:14 - Sep 9 by jayessess |
Thought it was particularly disgusting to hear Justin Webb effectively questioning Ed Miliband's Jewishness. Absolutely unacceptable.
Justin Webb doing 'the wrong kind of Jew' during his interview with Ed Miliband on Radio 4s flagship morning politics program. — Saul Staniforth (@saulstaniforth.bsky.social) 2026-09-09T08:40:49.162Z
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I've seen plenty of that. I wonder if the people asking that also question Herzl's Jewishness. |  | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 15:58 - Sep 9 with 2608 views | giant_stow |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 15:06 - Sep 9 by jasondozzell |
I'm afraid it's all deeply insulting and far too little too late.
The sanctions mentioned are really just symbolic and they are the very least you might expect from a government following international law. Had Corbyn won in 2017 this is what would have been done from the off.
Unfortunately the Labour right saw it all as another great opportunity to scream abuse at JC and the Labour left and thought it was fantastic. I remember the journalists gleefully chasing him down the street shouting 'will you condemn Hamas?' over and over again. The very worst people in the world doubled down on their cynical and immoral weaponusation of AS for their own political agenda.
Slowly it has dawned on them that it was a genocide. That has made things rather awkward for the lads.
But the grown ups were back in the room or something.
This country is finished. [Post edited 9 Sep 15:06]
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Forgive me asking, but what's deeply insulting and why? |  |
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:09 - Sep 9 with 2555 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 15:58 - Sep 9 by giant_stow |
Forgive me asking, but what's deeply insulting and why? |
That people rejected the messiah twice.
This is just an extension of the UK West Bank settler Sanctions from 2024 as I understand it (which even the US enacted) so I’m not convinced it’s as significant as Milliband makes out. |  | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:11 - Sep 9 with 2544 views | jasondozzell |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 15:58 - Sep 9 by giant_stow |
Forgive me asking, but what's deeply insulting and why? |
That the UK government has taken this long to acknowledge the genocide and make a very small gesture towards international law. | | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:13 - Sep 9 with 2533 views | jasondozzell |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:09 - Sep 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
That people rejected the messiah twice.
This is just an extension of the UK West Bank settler Sanctions from 2024 as I understand it (which even the US enacted) so I’m not convinced it’s as significant as Milliband makes out. |
Corbyn derangement syndrome strikes again.
Yes, it sounds as if this is broadly symbolic in nature. All pretty shameful. But it's a bit awkward anyone having to explain what happened. | | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:21 - Sep 9 with 2497 views | giant_stow |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:11 - Sep 9 by jasondozzell |
That the UK government has taken this long to acknowledge the genocide and make a very small gesture towards international law. |
I won't get into the nitty gritty, but its clearly not a small gesture - we're in an even bigger Israeli dog house than the Spanish it seems, and gawd knows how Trump will react. | |
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:27 - Sep 9 with 2443 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:13 - Sep 9 by jasondozzell |
Corbyn derangement syndrome strikes again.
Yes, it sounds as if this is broadly symbolic in nature. All pretty shameful. But it's a bit awkward anyone having to explain what happened. |
It was you that brought him up (again) you berk.
I don’t really think derangement is an appropriate term to be throwing around these days either.
It’s entirely symbolic as was the last round, I think it would have been more impactful to revoke export licenses there to be honest (I.e weapons components and dual use tech). We don’t have a major trading relationship with them. | | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:34 - Sep 9 with 2394 views | Blueschev |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:27 - Sep 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It was you that brought him up (again) you berk.
I don’t really think derangement is an appropriate term to be throwing around these days either.
It’s entirely symbolic as was the last round, I think it would have been more impactful to revoke export licenses there to be honest (I.e weapons components and dual use tech). We don’t have a major trading relationship with them. |
We do import a significant amount of fresh produce from Israel, potatoes and avocados being two of the main products. | | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:36 - Sep 9 with 2383 views | jasondozzell |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:21 - Sep 9 by giant_stow |
I won't get into the nitty gritty, but its clearly not a small gesture - we're in an even bigger Israeli dog house than the Spanish it seems, and gawd knows how Trump will react. |
May I politely suggest that stopping supplying weapons would have been a slightly bigger gesture.
On Today prog yesterday they reported that it will be fairly easy (and standard apparently) for Israeli food producers to change the origin labelling on the packaging and circumvent any sanctions which are likely to affect a small amount of trade. | | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:37 - Sep 9 with 2372 views | jasondozzell |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:27 - Sep 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It was you that brought him up (again) you berk.
I don’t really think derangement is an appropriate term to be throwing around these days either.
It’s entirely symbolic as was the last round, I think it would have been more impactful to revoke export licenses there to be honest (I.e weapons components and dual use tech). We don’t have a major trading relationship with them. |
I agree and Today reported the same yesterday. It's mostly symbolic.
Apols for bringing up the big man again. He tends to set everyone off. | | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:40 - Sep 9 with 2349 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:34 - Sep 9 by Blueschev |
We do import a significant amount of fresh produce from Israel, potatoes and avocados being two of the main products. |
Yeah the UK imports over a trillion USD of goods every year, that’s chicken feed. And the sanctions largely only target the illegal settlements, not wider exports. | | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:48 - Sep 9 with 2293 views | DJR |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:21 - Sep 9 by giant_stow |
I won't get into the nitty gritty, but its clearly not a small gesture - we're in an even bigger Israeli dog house than the Spanish it seems, and gawd knows how Trump will react. |
Rubio was fairly non-committal on it, and you would have thought Trump would have reacted by now if he were going to as he is hardly backward about coming forward.
And this is an interesting take on today's PMQ from Andrew Sparrow in the Guardian.
"The second most interesting comments were the ones that Badenoch did not make; she did not say anything about Israel. Maybe that was just because she decided it was yesterday’s story, but it is also possible that that she realises that she is in the wrong place on this issue. Yesterday she published an article on this issue which did not contain a word of criticism of Israel and which accused Burnham of just caving in to Corbynism and antisemitism. The Tories seemed to be eagerly awaiting Donald Trump to lash out. But the White House said very little, it turned out that those well-known Corbynites Emmanuel Macron and Mark Carney were doing exactly the same thing and even the Board of Deputies of British Jews was more critical of settler violence in its response than Badenoch. When a mainstream political leader ends up to the right of Donald Trump and the Board of Deputies on Israel policy, they have probably got it wrong."
I might add that I saw Phil Rosenberg of the Board of Deputies on the Cathy Newman show last night. He stressed his support for a two-state solution, and whilst he wasn't in favour of sanctions, he came across as fairly relaxed on the issue.
And on public opinion, a poll by YouGov earlier in the summer found 50% of British voters supported a ban on trade with West Bank settlements, while only 16% were opposed.
While Labour, Liberal Democrat and Green voters were the strongest backers of such a move, even Conservative and Reform voters were in favour overall.
Finally, I heard two Jewish people who support sanctions (one a Holocaust survivor, the other Jenny Manson of Jewish Voice for Liberation whom I know) interviewed on the Shelagh Fogarty programme on LBC at lunchtime.
To hear such British Jewish voices in the media is a real rarity, and maybe further evidence of the point made in the OP. [Post edited 9 Sep 18:03]
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 17:04 - Sep 9 with 2189 views | giant_stow |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:48 - Sep 9 by DJR |
Rubio was fairly non-committal on it, and you would have thought Trump would have reacted by now if he were going to as he is hardly backward about coming forward.
And this is an interesting take on today's PMQ from Andrew Sparrow in the Guardian.
"The second most interesting comments were the ones that Badenoch did not make; she did not say anything about Israel. Maybe that was just because she decided it was yesterday’s story, but it is also possible that that she realises that she is in the wrong place on this issue. Yesterday she published an article on this issue which did not contain a word of criticism of Israel and which accused Burnham of just caving in to Corbynism and antisemitism. The Tories seemed to be eagerly awaiting Donald Trump to lash out. But the White House said very little, it turned out that those well-known Corbynites Emmanuel Macron and Mark Carney were doing exactly the same thing and even the Board of Deputies of British Jews was more critical of settler violence in its response than Badenoch. When a mainstream political leader ends up to the right of Donald Trump and the Board of Deputies on Israel policy, they have probably got it wrong."
I might add that I saw Phil Rosenberg of the Board of Deputies on the Cathy Newman show last night. He stressed his support for a two-state solution, and whilst he wasn't in favour of sanctions, he came across as fairly relaxed on the issue.
And on public opinion, a poll by YouGov earlier in the summer found 50% of British voters supported a ban on trade with West Bank settlements, while only 16% were opposed.
While Labour, Liberal Democrat and Green voters were the strongest backers of such a move, even Conservative and Reform voters were in favour overall.
Finally, I heard two Jewish people who support sanctions (one a Holocaust survivor, the other Jenny Manson of Jewish Voice for Liberation whom I know) interviewed on the Shelagh Fogarty programme on LBC at lunchtime.
To hear such British Jewish voices in the media is a real rarity, and maybe further evidence of the point made in the OP. [Post edited 9 Sep 18:03]
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 17:09 - Sep 9 with 2170 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 15:14 - Sep 9 by jayessess |
Thought it was particularly disgusting to hear Justin Webb effectively questioning Ed Miliband's Jewishness. Absolutely unacceptable.
Justin Webb doing 'the wrong kind of Jew' during his interview with Ed Miliband on Radio 4s flagship morning politics program. — Saul Staniforth (@saulstaniforth.bsky.social) 2026-09-09T08:40:49.162Z
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Is that antisemitic? It’s certainly pretty tragic and in very bad taste. |  |
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 17:20 - Sep 9 with 2120 views | DJR |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 17:09 - Sep 9 by Swansea_Blue |
Is that antisemitic? It’s certainly pretty tragic and in very bad taste. |
I mentioned above that I know Jenny Manson who is the sweetest person one could ever meet but whose Jewishness has been questioned.
This is from a piece on her in the Jewish Chronicle.
“We don’t call the Board of Deputies or the JLC, not proper Jews. We might disagree with them but we don’t personalise it and we certainly don’t question people’s Jewishness. In fact I think it is a strange kind of antisemitism to do that,” she says.
EDIT: here's a pretty nasty attack she received.
https://blogs.timesofisrael.co [Post edited 9 Sep 17:41]
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 17:58 - Sep 9 with 1962 views | eirannach_gorm |
The Israeli propaganda machine is beginning to crack under the overwhelming evidence of the obliteration of Palestine. This allied to the Netanyahu driven war against Iran which has altered their main supporter, the US, view on the benefit of this special relationship has turned the tide of exposing what really is happening. The targeting of countries who oppose their actions and saying that to be anti Israel is antisemitic is becoming less effective for all the money they have spent on Social Media.
More of this needs to be circulated in the general community to expose the reality of the situation. Israel has zero intention of sharing the stolen land with the Palestinians.
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 18:05 - Sep 9 with 1927 views | patrickswell |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 15:06 - Sep 9 by jasondozzell |
I'm afraid it's all deeply insulting and far too little too late.
The sanctions mentioned are really just symbolic and they are the very least you might expect from a government following international law. Had Corbyn won in 2017 this is what would have been done from the off.
Unfortunately the Labour right saw it all as another great opportunity to scream abuse at JC and the Labour left and thought it was fantastic. I remember the journalists gleefully chasing him down the street shouting 'will you condemn Hamas?' over and over again. The very worst people in the world doubled down on their cynical and immoral weaponusation of AS for their own political agenda.
Slowly it has dawned on them that it was a genocide. That has made things rather awkward for the lads.
But the grown ups were back in the room or something.
This country is finished. [Post edited 9 Sep 15:06]
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I had to chuckle at the edict being handed down from Israel off the back of the sanctions that has seen Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the 5 Green Party MPs banned from entering the country. A first class example of “In case of Israeli high dudgeon, please break glass.” |  | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 19:38 - Sep 9 with 1603 views | Ryorry |
Just heard an absolutely superb interview with Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg, Rabbi Emeritus of the New North London Synagogue, on R5l. The excellent interviewer allowed him to talk for extended periods without interruption, and asked well-considered questions. It was so compelling & informative that despite having arrived home, I stayed in the car for an extra 5+ minutes just to listen to the end.
Basically, the Rabbi had talked with Jewish friends in both London and Israel,who disagreed with settler actions, and, crucially, visited the settlements to see for himself what the situation was like - he was horrified. Lots of really detailed description (nothing needing warnings to be issued), including settlers' actions against Palestinians which are in fact against Jewish religious laws - like trampling Palestinian villagers' veg gardens.
Can listen to it here, it was right at the end of the show, from about 6.40 - 6.50 pm.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/p |  |
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 19:48 - Sep 9 with 1544 views | BlueBadger |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:37 - Sep 9 by jasondozzell |
I agree and Today reported the same yesterday. It's mostly symbolic.
Apols for bringing up the big man again. He tends to set everyone off. |
Fair play to the Dear Leader, he's one of the few prominent critics of Israel who is a genuine antisemite.
(With apologies to Phil, here). [Post edited 9 Sep 19:51]
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| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 20:03 - Sep 9 with 1461 views | DJR |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 19:38 - Sep 9 by Ryorry |
Just heard an absolutely superb interview with Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg, Rabbi Emeritus of the New North London Synagogue, on R5l. The excellent interviewer allowed him to talk for extended periods without interruption, and asked well-considered questions. It was so compelling & informative that despite having arrived home, I stayed in the car for an extra 5+ minutes just to listen to the end.
Basically, the Rabbi had talked with Jewish friends in both London and Israel,who disagreed with settler actions, and, crucially, visited the settlements to see for himself what the situation was like - he was horrified. Lots of really detailed description (nothing needing warnings to be issued), including settlers' actions against Palestinians which are in fact against Jewish religious laws - like trampling Palestinian villagers' veg gardens.
Can listen to it here, it was right at the end of the show, from about 6.40 - 6.50 pm.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/p |
I saw a bit of his interview on Sky.
He's mentioned in this article along with other Rabbis who support sanctions.
https://www.theguardian.com/po
But we shouldn't get our hopes up. This from the Guardian.
"Nearly three-quarters of Jewish Israelis favour partial or total annexation of the occupied West Bank, a poll for the Jewish People Policy Institute found. All leading candidates in the upcoming election reject a Palestinian state." | | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 20:21 - Sep 9 with 1392 views | ZapatasMoustache |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 19:48 - Sep 9 by BlueBadger |
Fair play to the Dear Leader, he's one of the few prominent critics of Israel who is a genuine antisemite.
(With apologies to Phil, here). [Post edited 9 Sep 19:51]
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Well, rightly so, because what you wrote is actionable nonsense! Unless you are being ironic, it's hard to keep up. |  | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 21:27 - Sep 9 with 1229 views | DJR |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 16:21 - Sep 9 by giant_stow |
I won't get into the nitty gritty, but its clearly not a small gesture - we're in an even bigger Israeli dog house than the Spanish it seems, and gawd knows how Trump will react. |
The US website Axios (which often gets confidential information relating to the Trump administration) is reporting this.
"The Trump administration did not oppose a UK-led initiative to impose new sanctions on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, U.S. officials and Western diplomats say.
Why it matters: The White House's decision not to push back on the UK effort, which 11 other Western countries have joined, is a signal of its frustration with the Netanyahu government's policy in the West Bank.
Behind the scenes: British Prime Minister Andy Burnham briefed President Trump ahead of the sanctions announcement.
Two sources with knowledge of the call said Trump didn't push back or ask Burnham to change course.
U.S. officials told their British counterparts they shared their concerns about the Netanyahu government's West Bank policy, even if they disagreed with these specific sanctions, sources say.
Between the lines: On Tuesday, the White House distanced itself from comments U.S. ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee made to the BBC attacking the new sanctions.
The remarks "were not coordinated with the White House" or State Department, a White House official told Axios." | | | |
| Today feels somehow different, at least in the UK media on 22:46 - Sep 9 with 1056 views | NthQldITFC |
Some really encouraging words from lots of British Rabbis in here.
https://www.theguardian.com/po
In my opinion, this course of events is more likely to be positive in effect in reducing actual antisemitism in this country than the other way around. | |
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