| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 20:21 - Jun 18 with 3441 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 20:16 - Jun 18 by chicoazul |
so what does that say about his ability to identify a good cheap player? I looks like we have to sign close to 50 players to find one Mings. |
That's still a bargain
50 players for 1 mings = 10k into 8m
It's not just mings though. The players I just listed were all free or cheap |  |
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 20:35 - Jun 18 with 3418 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 16:54 - Jun 18 by JimmyJazz |
How does Stewart make your list? |
Because he no doubt represented a decent investment by our standards, in terms of wages |  |
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 20:42 - Jun 18 with 3409 views | Mullet |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 15:01 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Wouldn't go that far but these are the players I'd say represented decent investments*, from those listed above:
Skuse, Berra, McGoldrick, Murphy, Williams, Sears, Bialkowski, Stewart, Fraser, Pitman, AMN, Douglas, Knudsen, Lawrence, Webster, Ward, Garner
Not a bad hit rate really
*clearly subjective, others views may differ |
Tabb, SHunt, Mings, all have to be included due to the impact they had too.
Likewise not sure we can include Garner at any rate yet. |  |
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 20:48 - Jun 18 with 3388 views | Mullet |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 20:35 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Because he no doubt represented a decent investment by our standards, in terms of wages |
I've just seen what you meant now by "decent investment" apologies.
Likewise the lack of context for Mick's signings is weird. The first two years he went from not having his own squad chocked full of loanees and misfits and dragged them along, replacing one man at a time.
To criticise that is baffling.
The more damning issue is when we lost so many injured players for the last two seasons running and seemed to take one, punt, one loan every few months to even try to bridge each gap made. | |
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 20:51 - Jun 18 with 3376 views | bluesimon |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 20:09 - Jun 18 by chicoazul |
The funny thing is that many many of those players barely played more than a dozen games. Seems to me that Mick's policy has been punts thanks to his budget. |
It's quite sad how many players we have signed over this time and how many have actually made an impact.
I do wonder how many cheap punts it takes to fund a decent player though. But i do accept, that the squad has been thin on the ground, but this is partly due to the cheap punts not being and good and them being released year on year, so we need more cheap punts to fill the wholes left by the previous cheap punts.
I'd rather we sign a decent player on a 3 year deal, than 5 cheap punts on a one year deal. |  | | |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 22:27 - Jun 18 with 3327 views | clive_baker |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 20:13 - Jun 18 by The_Romford_Blue |
What do you expect when the majority are cheap punts or complete unknowns
His recruitment here has been excellent on the whole.
Ward, Webster, Mings, Didz, Berra, Chambo, Sears, Bart and Skuse for a combined 2m
Plus loans of Fraser, Lawrence and Huws |
He didn't sign Chambers, PJ did.
And it's a stretch to say 'on the whole' when max 10-15 have proved very good signings out of 76. |  |
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 22:44 - Jun 18 with 3319 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 22:27 - Jun 18 by clive_baker |
He didn't sign Chambers, PJ did.
And it's a stretch to say 'on the whole' when max 10-15 have proved very good signings out of 76. |
But that's a good strike rate for the tiny money spent | |
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 23:48 - Jun 18 with 3285 views | TheBlueBarca |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 13:43 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
As per my thread the other day, I'm not sure that's fair
McCarthy has clearly been operating on a restricted budget, and as such has been forced into signing lots of cheap, available squad filler-type players. Unsurprisingly, a lot of these have been fairly rubbish
When spending what you presume is a decent chunk of our budget on players (either fees or wages), his signings have generally been successful, bar a couple of exceptions (Douglas, Stewart etc) [Post edited 18 Jun 2017 13:43]
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"his signings have generally been successful"
We were nearly relegated this season with a team, bar Tommy Smith and Luke Chambers, was entirely signed by him. We were 4 points off relegation.
I would say that, given the the club he's managing, to finish just 4 points off relegation was as far from "generally successfully" as you can get without actually getting relegated. Budget or not, his recruitment the last two seasons has been shambolic and it's not looking any better for the new season really.
As for those "couple" of exceptions, you're forgetting the 50 others with those that I won't care to name in full because you know exactly who they are, as does everyone else.
They make Douglas look like Pele some of them too. [Post edited 18 Jun 2017 23:51]
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 06:07 - Jun 19 with 3239 views | No9 |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 13:43 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
As per my thread the other day, I'm not sure that's fair
McCarthy has clearly been operating on a restricted budget, and as such has been forced into signing lots of cheap, available squad filler-type players. Unsurprisingly, a lot of these have been fairly rubbish
When spending what you presume is a decent chunk of our budget on players (either fees or wages), his signings have generally been successful, bar a couple of exceptions (Douglas, Stewart etc) [Post edited 18 Jun 2017 13:43]
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But how much has signing these lesser palyers added to the wage bill ?
Accordong to the money man the four signings in the January window added a £ million so all the others will have cost a few quid = wasted money is nt efficient | | | |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 08:29 - Jun 19 with 3192 views | peterleeblue |
Unfortunately the Chronicle is a North East paper that is very Newcastle United centric. This is probably a bit of wind up / trolling to keep the football juices flowing amongst NE football followers. Also by and large MM is not held in great regard here so would not be too welcome back. |  | | |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 09:31 - Jun 19 with 3157 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 23:48 - Jun 18 by TheBlueBarca |
"his signings have generally been successful"
We were nearly relegated this season with a team, bar Tommy Smith and Luke Chambers, was entirely signed by him. We were 4 points off relegation.
I would say that, given the the club he's managing, to finish just 4 points off relegation was as far from "generally successfully" as you can get without actually getting relegated. Budget or not, his recruitment the last two seasons has been shambolic and it's not looking any better for the new season really.
As for those "couple" of exceptions, you're forgetting the 50 others with those that I won't care to name in full because you know exactly who they are, as does everyone else.
They make Douglas look like Pele some of them too. [Post edited 18 Jun 2017 23:51]
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"we were nearly relegated this season"
We weren't, we finished 16th, and spent zero weeks in the relegation zone
"given the club he's managing"
One with a budget in the lower third of the league?
"his recruitment the last two seasons has been shambolic"
It hasn't - players brought in during that time include Fraser, AMN, Pitman, Knudsen, Webster, Ward, Lawrence, Huws and Spence. I would agree it hasn't been as successful as the seasons prior but that's about it
"it's not looking any better for the new season really"
Hang on wait, what?? The transfer window isn't even open yet and we've signed 2 players already with a third pretty much done, what more do you want? This is the point where it becomes obvious that your point is basically 'boo everything Mick'
"you're forgetting 50 others"
I didn't forget them, it was a list of players signed that in my view would have represented a decent chunk of our budget. The others were punts/freebies/best available options to pad out the squad in my view, from which little would be expected. I would suggest this says more about our budget than anything else | |
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 09:42 - Jun 19 with 3152 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 06:07 - Jun 19 by No9 |
But how much has signing these lesser palyers added to the wage bill ?
Accordong to the money man the four signings in the January window added a £ million so all the others will have cost a few quid = wasted money is nt efficient |
I have no idea which 4 players that is, seeing as we signed 6 players in January
Given there were approx 23 weeks between Jan and the end of the season, the players signed (Moore, Spence, Diagouraga, Huws, Taylor and Rowe) would have been averaging £7k+ a week
In summary - no chance | |
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 09:49 - Jun 19 with 3143 views | itfcjoe |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 09:42 - Jun 19 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I have no idea which 4 players that is, seeing as we signed 6 players in January
Given there were approx 23 weeks between Jan and the end of the season, the players signed (Moore, Spence, Diagouraga, Huws, Taylor and Rowe) would have been averaging £7k+ a week
In summary - no chance |
There was also Samuel so 7 signings.
And ultimately, a million pound investment to ensure we didn't get dragged into a relegation fight is a good move. |  |
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 09:56 - Jun 19 with 3131 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 09:49 - Jun 19 by itfcjoe |
There was also Samuel so 7 signings.
And ultimately, a million pound investment to ensure we didn't get dragged into a relegation fight is a good move. |
Ah, forgot Samuel
Wages-wise that would still average over £6k, which seems very unlikely given Moore and Rowe would be on sod all and Spence presumably very cheap too. If it includes loan fees then maybe possible - but more likely Milne is using some artistic licence there I'd say! | |
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 10:05 - Jun 19 with 3104 views | itfcjoe |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 09:56 - Jun 19 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Ah, forgot Samuel
Wages-wise that would still average over £6k, which seems very unlikely given Moore and Rowe would be on sod all and Spence presumably very cheap too. If it includes loan fees then maybe possible - but more likely Milne is using some artistic licence there I'd say! |
Rowe was about £100k signing too - probably about right all things considered, money just doesn't go very far in football! | |
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| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 12:28 - Jun 19 with 3036 views | Lightningboy |
| Local Sunderland newspaper calling for McCarthy on 13:53 - Jun 18 by clive_baker |
2012/13
Reece Brown
Tyrone Barnett
Aaron Mclean
Patrick Kisnorbo
Richard Stearman
Kelly Youga
Anthony Wordsworth
Bradley Orr
Frank Nouble
2013/2014
Paul Anderson
Jordan Graham
Paul Green
Sylvain Ebanks-Blake
Jay Tabb
Stephen Hunt
Ryan Tunnicliffe
Jack Doherty
Cole Skuse
Christophe Berra
Alan Lee
David McGoldrick
Daryl Murphy
Freddie Veseli
Frazer Richardson
Dean Gerken
2014/15
Kevin Bru
Jonny Williams
Jack Collison
Luke Varney
Zeki Fryers
Freddie Sears
Sean St Ledger
Richard Chaplow
Paddy Kenny
Noel Hunt
Jonathan Parr
Bartosz Bialkowski
Balint Bajner
Adam McDonnell
Dylan Connolly
Cameron Stewart
Alex Henshall
Chris Wood
Darren McQueen
Darren Ambrose
Conor Sammon
2015/16
Liam Feeney
Larsen Toure
Piotr Malarczyk
Tommy Oar
Josh Yorwerth
Tyrone Mings
Ryan Fraser
Kevin Foley
Brett Pitman
Ainsley Maitland-Niles
Jonathan Henly
Giles Coke
Ben Pringle
Jonathan Douglas
James Alabi
Jonas Knudsen
2016/17
Leon Best
Steven Taylor
Paul Digby
Tom Lawrence
Kieffer Moore
Toumani Diagouraga
Danny Rowe
Conor Grant
Adam Webster
Dominic Samuel
Emyr Huws
Grant Ward
Jordan Spence
Joe Garner |
78 signings..i'd say at least 42 of those have been total flops..imho only 13 or 14 great successes. |  | | |
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