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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal 11:14 - Jul 10 with 8606 viewsBelvedereBrunswick

If May continues to devalue the lives of EU nationals currently living in the UK by using them as bargaining chips. Guy Verhofstadt says a fair proposal needs to be put forward immediately.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/09/brexit-offer-eu-citzens-ve

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:29 - Jul 10 with 6200 viewsnrb1985

David Davis and the team keep telling us though they are the arch negotiators and start most sentences with "when in a negotiation" or "in a negotiation like this" - I trust him to deliver a good deal...
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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:31 - Jul 10 with 6202 viewsBOjK

It is a mystery to me why when we face so many issues over which we will require good will from the EU to allow all sides to progress to a reasonable outcome May is digging her heels in over this one.

This just upsets people living and working in the UK at the moment, as well as placing strain on the relationships with our European partners.

May was the only candidate in the Conservative Leadership election who took the position that EU citizens should be used as bargaining chips in these discussions, and a huge number of the sensible leavers were vocal prior to the referndum that this wouldn't happen.

She's really messing this up imo.

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:34 - Jul 10 with 6171 viewsSwansea_Blue

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:29 - Jul 10 by nrb1985

David Davis and the team keep telling us though they are the arch negotiators and start most sentences with "when in a negotiation" or "in a negotiation like this" - I trust him to deliver a good deal...


"Brexit Bulldog and Master Negotiator, reporting for duty Prime Minister"


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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:36 - Jul 10 with 6166 viewsnrb1985

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:31 - Jul 10 by BOjK

It is a mystery to me why when we face so many issues over which we will require good will from the EU to allow all sides to progress to a reasonable outcome May is digging her heels in over this one.

This just upsets people living and working in the UK at the moment, as well as placing strain on the relationships with our European partners.

May was the only candidate in the Conservative Leadership election who took the position that EU citizens should be used as bargaining chips in these discussions, and a huge number of the sensible leavers were vocal prior to the referndum that this wouldn't happen.

She's really messing this up imo.


Agree.

They should have generated some good will from the outset by offering an unconditional and generous deal to EU nationals in the UK, now and the future ones. If you want something the other side have i.e. good access to markets then starting off by telling them you'll walk away or pull defence spend is amateurish.

Sick of hearing from Davis and Fox they are skilled negotiators because they are not. I work in a FTSE 100 company and often work on complex deals - their negotiating stance/tactics are apalling, like a bunch of 6th formers.

We are without doubt, sadly, heading for no deal.
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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:40 - Jul 10 with 6159 viewshomer_123

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:31 - Jul 10 by BOjK

It is a mystery to me why when we face so many issues over which we will require good will from the EU to allow all sides to progress to a reasonable outcome May is digging her heels in over this one.

This just upsets people living and working in the UK at the moment, as well as placing strain on the relationships with our European partners.

May was the only candidate in the Conservative Leadership election who took the position that EU citizens should be used as bargaining chips in these discussions, and a huge number of the sensible leavers were vocal prior to the referndum that this wouldn't happen.

She's really messing this up imo.


This whole thing is truly worthy of the phrase: clusterf*ck

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:41 - Jul 10 with 6159 viewsfactual_blue

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:31 - Jul 10 by BOjK

It is a mystery to me why when we face so many issues over which we will require good will from the EU to allow all sides to progress to a reasonable outcome May is digging her heels in over this one.

This just upsets people living and working in the UK at the moment, as well as placing strain on the relationships with our European partners.

May was the only candidate in the Conservative Leadership election who took the position that EU citizens should be used as bargaining chips in these discussions, and a huge number of the sensible leavers were vocal prior to the referndum that this wouldn't happen.

She's really messing this up imo.


It's almost as though brexit is about pandering to a group of ignorant xenophobes in a pathetic attempt to save the tory party.

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:44 - Jul 10 with 6142 viewsWD19

In and among the mess there is the reality that this is never going to be resolved....

See....

"British and European citizens should be able to enforce their rights under a mechanism in which the European court of justice plays a full role."

This is not going to happen.
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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:45 - Jul 10 with 6137 viewsblue_oyster

A poorly disguised attempt to get more 'rights' for the EU than the UK.

Conventional wisdom is the enemy of thought.
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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:46 - Jul 10 with 6113 viewsBOjK

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:45 - Jul 10 by blue_oyster

A poorly disguised attempt to get more 'rights' for the EU than the UK.


Could you explain this please?

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:50 - Jul 10 with 6084 viewsBelvedereBrunswick

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:45 - Jul 10 by blue_oyster

A poorly disguised attempt to get more 'rights' for the EU than the UK.


Haha good one.
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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:58 - Jul 10 with 6056 viewsBOjK

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:50 - Jul 10 by BelvedereBrunswick

Haha good one.


Hmm. It could be a joke.

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:02 - Jul 10 with 6044 viewsSwansea_Blue

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:46 - Jul 10 by BOjK

Could you explain this please?


Explain? Yeah sure..




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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:16 - Jul 10 with 6017 viewsNo9

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:45 - Jul 10 by blue_oyster

A poorly disguised attempt to get more 'rights' for the EU than the UK.


No, please keep up.
The EU position on Human Rights has been established and developed over decades
Mrs May has already stated she wants to get rid of Human Rights AND - this means yours as well
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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:26 - Jul 10 with 5996 viewsbaxterbasics

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:16 - Jul 10 by No9

No, please keep up.
The EU position on Human Rights has been established and developed over decades
Mrs May has already stated she wants to get rid of Human Rights AND - this means yours as well


Removing ourselves from the ECHR is not the same as getting "rid" of human rights though is it.

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:28 - Jul 10 with 5986 viewsblue_oyster

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:46 - Jul 10 by BOjK

Could you explain this please?


What don't you understand? The position that he's taking is pro-EU and anti-UK in the negotiations?

Conventional wisdom is the enemy of thought.
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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:41 - Jul 10 with 5947 viewsNo9

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:26 - Jul 10 by baxterbasics

Removing ourselves from the ECHR is not the same as getting "rid" of human rights though is it.


No but, getting rid of Human Rights has been a tory policy for some time.
This means yours as well
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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:43 - Jul 10 with 5940 viewsbaxterbasics

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:41 - Jul 10 by No9

No but, getting rid of Human Rights has been a tory policy for some time.
This means yours as well


Which of my human rights are they threatening?

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:43 - Jul 10 with 5940 viewsGeoffSentence

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:46 - Jul 10 by BOjK

Could you explain this please?


Nooooo. Don't get sucked in.

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:44 - Jul 10 with 5928 viewsNo9

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:28 - Jul 10 by blue_oyster

What don't you understand? The position that he's taking is pro-EU and anti-UK in the negotiations?


No; he is taking steps to protect the rights of Humans not to have some right wing zealots remove human rights.

Already the 'Brexiteers' have said that proection of EU cirizens rights would mean those EU citizens in the UK would have superior rights to the generic population.

Plain & simple the tories have sent a message = we want to abolish human rights' - how many times do they have to tell you?
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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 13:06 - Jul 10 with 5884 viewsBOjK

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:28 - Jul 10 by blue_oyster

What don't you understand? The position that he's taking is pro-EU and anti-UK in the negotiations?


I don't understand why we should offer less to EU citizens living in the UK than the EU have already offered to UK citizens living in the EU.

And I don't understand why anyone seeing this opinion should think this is somehow pro-EU and anti-UK.

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 13:09 - Jul 10 with 5868 viewsblue_oyster

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:44 - Jul 10 by No9

No; he is taking steps to protect the rights of Humans not to have some right wing zealots remove human rights.

Already the 'Brexiteers' have said that proection of EU cirizens rights would mean those EU citizens in the UK would have superior rights to the generic population.

Plain & simple the tories have sent a message = we want to abolish human rights' - how many times do they have to tell you?


Whether you regard these 'rights' as superior or not, the UK are offering both to some people, whereas the EU are only offering their own.

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 13:09 - Jul 10 with 5867 viewsNo9

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 12:43 - Jul 10 by baxterbasics

Which of my human rights are they threatening?


If you have to ask that it is time you started to get yourself an education on both the EU and what the tories really stand for
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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 13:32 - Jul 10 with 5816 viewsEireannach_gorm

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 13:09 - Jul 10 by No9

If you have to ask that it is time you started to get yourself an education on both the EU and what the tories really stand for


http://www.theweek.co.uk/63635/will-the-human-rights-act-be-scrapped
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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 13:43 - Jul 10 with 5782 viewsblue_oyster

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 13:06 - Jul 10 by BOjK

I don't understand why we should offer less to EU citizens living in the UK than the EU have already offered to UK citizens living in the EU.

And I don't understand why anyone seeing this opinion should think this is somehow pro-EU and anti-UK.


Really, you can't see how someone employed by the EU could be pro-EU? Incredible. We are offering less EU 'rights', not less 'rights', surprisingly enough for a country that won't be in the EU. How many UK 'rights' are the EU offering?

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European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 13:44 - Jul 10 with 5780 viewsjaykay

European Parliament to reject Brexit deal on 11:36 - Jul 10 by nrb1985

Agree.

They should have generated some good will from the outset by offering an unconditional and generous deal to EU nationals in the UK, now and the future ones. If you want something the other side have i.e. good access to markets then starting off by telling them you'll walk away or pull defence spend is amateurish.

Sick of hearing from Davis and Fox they are skilled negotiators because they are not. I work in a FTSE 100 company and often work on complex deals - their negotiating stance/tactics are apalling, like a bunch of 6th formers.

We are without doubt, sadly, heading for no deal.


dont wory someone will be along soon,saying you keep your bargaining cards close to your chest.

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