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They know, deep down, he's right. We don't need to eat animals. It is pretty cruel to breed them just to slaughter them, unless it's absolutely necessary for your survival (survival of the fittest). I think a lot of people are fighting with their own conscience and don't like that Callis is the one bringing that fight to the forefront of their minds.
For me, and I suspect a lot of us are the same, I was brought up believing eating animals was absolutely fine. I imagine in the early years I didn't even realise what I was eating. My dad would always drum into me about not wasting food... but then he, in turn, was brought up during the war when you couldn't be fussy. I bet there weren't many vegans knocking about in the 40's!
Also, animals do contain the nutrients we need AND our teeth are designed for tearing flesh.
Now, though, we have a choice. The problem is we've grown up with meat, we like it, and veganism seems a bit of a faff. That's the truth of it. I'll put a spider out in the garden rather than killing it but I'll happily tuck into a steak. We're hypocrites. Just accept that actually, however he expresses it, Callis is right. And then you won't get so angry.
Two things we can all do quite easily are eat less meat and eat outdoor-bred when we do have it. I do that, and although it's a long way short of what Callis is doing, it's better than nothing. And better for my conscience!
Right, need to get ready for heading oop north. I shall check back to see how this one turns out shortly!
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 10:56 - Jan 20 by Ryorry
I think when Callis calls people out on their views, then when they explain why their lifestyle is perfectly justifiable, but he ignores them to keep spouting the same old same old, they are entitled to keep defending their viewpoint which has already been justified.* And what you referred to as "posts like this" was just a light-hearted jokey post.
But I agree with you that it's time to just let it die, & many others seem to agree also, hence the number of downvotes for Brixton's OP.
*Edit: I refer the Honourable Members to Throbbe's long post which summarises things perfectly - p5, 3rd post down.
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I don’t call anyone out on their views unless they actively seek to have that debate. If it bothers people and they don’t want me to don’t bring it up.
As much as Libby has got on my t1ts and I disagree with his opinion this week, he is right here.
This whole week of BS all stemmed from a Rommers post about me refusing to respect meat eaters on a shirt sponsor thread and spread to every corner of the board.
I’d also like to note the post has a lot of upvotes. This isn’t a one sided board opinion evidently.
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:08 - Jan 20 by monytowbray
I don’t call anyone out on their views unless they actively seek to have that debate. If it bothers people and they don’t want me to don’t bring it up.
As much as Libby has got on my t1ts and I disagree with his opinion this week, he is right here.
This whole week of BS all stemmed from a Rommers post about me refusing to respect meat eaters on a shirt sponsor thread and spread to every corner of the board.
I’d also like to note the post has a lot of upvotes. This isn’t a one sided board opinion evidently.
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I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:17 - Jan 20 with 4169 views
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:08 - Jan 20 by monytowbray
I don’t call anyone out on their views unless they actively seek to have that debate. If it bothers people and they don’t want me to don’t bring it up.
As much as Libby has got on my t1ts and I disagree with his opinion this week, he is right here.
This whole week of BS all stemmed from a Rommers post about me refusing to respect meat eaters on a shirt sponsor thread and spread to every corner of the board.
I’d also like to note the post has a lot of upvotes. This isn’t a one sided board opinion evidently.
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That third paragraph isn’t true. It wasn’t me who brought meat eating into it. In fact, I didn’t post til page four on that thread and my response was to talk about your gambling OP and the logo.
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 10:28 - Jan 20 by wellsy700
Brave in the sense that he posted his thoughts and opinions, knowing that he would be ridiculed. It's all relative. At least he's started an interesting discussion
Libby’s thread on his mental health issues was brave. The poster, and I’m ashamed to say I can’t remember who it was, who opened up about his daughter’s drug addiction was brave. As are the threads about gambling addiction.
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:08 - Jan 20 by monytowbray
I don’t call anyone out on their views unless they actively seek to have that debate. If it bothers people and they don’t want me to don’t bring it up.
As much as Libby has got on my t1ts and I disagree with his opinion this week, he is right here.
This whole week of BS all stemmed from a Rommers post about me refusing to respect meat eaters on a shirt sponsor thread and spread to every corner of the board.
I’d also like to note the post has a lot of upvotes. This isn’t a one sided board opinion evidently.
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Of course you did (call people out on their views), repeatedly ignored their answers & kept banging on the same old drum, hence they got annoyed and understandably kept defending themselves.
Please do yourself a favour and if you haven't already, check out Throbbe's long post on p5, 3rd one down, 17 upvotes without a single downer iirc. Phil would have done well to lock the thread with that - something we could all agree on - as the final post imho.
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:18 - Jan 20 by The_Romford_Blue
That third paragraph isn’t true. It wasn’t me who brought meat eating into it. In fact, I didn’t post til page four on that thread and my response was to talk about your gambling OP and the logo.
It's almost as if a target audience has made itself known in the sport and that's why they are advertising within it or something...
Meat was mentioned on page 2 and you’d already been in an argument before I even posted.
I had no plans to carry this thread on but I’m not going to let you just blatantly lie like you’ve just done. The evidence is there for all to see.
I like you and the boy Callis but the twain is never going to meet between the pair of you concerning this so just let it fkn go mate. Its silly and the rights and wrongs and who started and said whatever is lost in the midst of TWTD fog.
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:21 - Jan 20 by GlasgowBlue
Libby’s thread on his mental health issues was brave. The poster, and I’m ashamed to say I can’t remember who it was, who opened up about his daughter’s drug addiction was brave. As are the threads about gambling addiction.
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I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:26 - Jan 20 with 4143 views
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:18 - Jan 20 by The_Romford_Blue
That third paragraph isn’t true. It wasn’t me who brought meat eating into it. In fact, I didn’t post til page four on that thread and my response was to talk about your gambling OP and the logo.
It's almost as if a target audience has made itself known in the sport and that's why they are advertising within it or something...
Meat was mentioned on page 2 and you’d already been in an argument before I even posted.
I had no plans to carry this thread on but I’m not going to let you just blatantly lie like you’ve just done. The evidence is there for all to see.
I thought I was div listed?
I’m tired of this Rommers. If you want to let it go the offer is there. I’ll take your opinion on board you feel you didn’t start it if you read the OP here and at least try to see this is the best summary I’ve seen of how the other side should view and react to my opinions if they’re not interested in reducing animal produce in their diet.
I’m still not happy you incorrectly accused me of being the reason Admiral left and that I claimed you should be banned with as little as an apology but I’m also willinng to let that go too as I am past caring now.
I was better last week, two games on the trot and quitting vaping is helping. I stuck to a more defensive role and although I didn’t score I probably prevented 5/6 goals just by being back and sticking to Spence and Tommy sticking high up the pitch.
I need new astros though, the bottom of mine might as well be ice skates on that pitch now.
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:23 - Jan 20 by Ryorry
Of course you did (call people out on their views), repeatedly ignored their answers & kept banging on the same old drum, hence they got annoyed and understandably kept defending themselves.
Please do yourself a favour and if you haven't already, check out Throbbe's long post on p5, 3rd one down, 17 upvotes without a single downer iirc. Phil would have done well to lock the thread with that - something we could all agree on - as the final post imho.
You’re still doing it. FFS can’t even agree to disagree without you trying to have one last pop.
I’ve said my bit, my opinions remain the same but can be avoided if people choose not to drag them up.
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:26 - Jan 20 by monytowbray
I thought I was div listed?
I’m tired of this Rommers. If you want to let it go the offer is there. I’ll take your opinion on board you feel you didn’t start it if you read the OP here and at least try to see this is the best summary I’ve seen of how the other side should view and react to my opinions if they’re not interested in reducing animal produce in their diet.
I’m still not happy you incorrectly accused me of being the reason Admiral left and that I claimed you should be banned with as little as an apology but I’m also willinng to let that go too as I am past caring now.
Cheers.
Yes lets let’s it go.
I never meant you were the only reason for him leaving which I did specify straight away. All vegan or political threads become long ones was my point and it’s the long threads that drive people away from here. I apologise if that caused offence.
I didn’t join that meat discussion til page 10 btw. Just had a look.
As you’ll notice, I didn’t div list you. I don’t want to become so intolerant that I have to formally block people. Even my ex missus isn’t blocked on my phone.
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:24 - Jan 20 by brogansnose
I like you and the boy Callis but the twain is never going to meet between the pair of you concerning this so just let it fkn go mate. Its silly and the rights and wrongs and who started and said whatever is lost in the midst of TWTD fog.
BTW, I will make enquiries which are proceeding.
Hugs and kisses,
Broggs.
Fairy nuff.
It’s time to move on.
I’ve made enquiries in a few places myself too. Cheers for your help.
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:21 - Jan 20 by GlasgowBlue
Libby’s thread on his mental health issues was brave. The poster, and I’m ashamed to say I can’t remember who it was, who opened up about his daughter’s drug addiction was brave. As are the threads about gambling addiction.
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:29 - Jan 20 by monytowbray
I was better last week, two games on the trot and quitting vaping is helping. I stuck to a more defensive role and although I didn’t score I probably prevented 5/6 goals just by being back and sticking to Spence and Tommy sticking high up the pitch.
I need new astros though, the bottom of mine might as well be ice skates on that pitch now.
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I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 13:15 - Jan 20 with 4030 views
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 11:33 - Jan 20 by The_Romford_Blue
Yes lets let’s it go.
I never meant you were the only reason for him leaving which I did specify straight away. All vegan or political threads become long ones was my point and it’s the long threads that drive people away from here. I apologise if that caused offence.
I didn’t join that meat discussion til page 10 btw. Just had a look.
As you’ll notice, I didn’t div list you. I don’t want to become so intolerant that I have to formally block people. Even my ex missus isn’t blocked on my phone.
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 10:09 - Jan 20 by BrixtonBlue
It was a loaded question to make a point. Mine was pretty much the same answer. I didn't "jump" on anyone. You just continuously look to be offended by me.
Total nonsense.
It was a question and answered as such be eireblue. You wanted to see it loaded and as an argument so you did.
Doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things though.
SB
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I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 00:14 - Jan 21 with 3918 views
I think I know why people get so angry with Callis on 21:04 - Jan 19 by monytowbray
Sorry for the delayed reply but felt this was worth a proper one from my laptop.
I can't guarantee anything. I know an insect probably died from my food or an animal lost it's habitat. It may have even been minced in a farming tool. Sad indeed, but still I feel it's better than actively eating something that has been reared and killed for the sake of food, possibly after a miserable life of pain. It's also backed by research that the vegan diet, even with these things in consideration, has less impact on animal cruelty than an animal produce inclusive diet.
I understand that you personally aren't bothered about what you eat, and it's refreshing to here. I'm just bored of people separating the reality of the animal produce industry with their own diet. If you eat it, you eat it. Accept it if you are okay with it and I have nothing more to add. It's the people intent on justifying it with me that I'm going to clash with because I can't find a serious defence for eating meat vs the reasons I stopped with animal products.
Hope that clears things up. I'm not unreasonable, but at the same time I won't be reasonable with unreasonable people
For me, eating is just another strand of life that it's possible to do in many ways and they all have their plusses and minusses, but ultimately we all have to eat to live and many factors affect what we do.
A vegan diet is, undoubtedly, better for the animals but other diets are better for other areas and if a vegan drinks heavily and smokes then they are probably committing more sin towards the world and the country as they are going to be unhealthy and become a bigger burden on the state.
People can be informed and make different choices though, many people aren't animal lovers and see them as being bred to feed and are comfortable with that. I'd still deem it natural selection, even if it is maybe done in an unnatural way now it's just what evolution intended as it is happening
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