| I voted remain 22:18 - Sep 20 with 18998 views | clive_baker |
But now I’m getting to the point where I think feck them all. Macron’s annoyed me. Crash out with no deal and pick up the pieces after I say. |  |
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| I voted remain on 14:44 - Sep 21 with 1772 views | giant_stow |
| I voted remain on 14:39 - Sep 21 by J2BLUE |
Remember when you were a scum supporting remainer?
You've come a long way. |
Arf.
I'm still a remainer and would love another vote, but it would be nice if our 'friends' were friendly. That doesn't mean giving us everything we want and I get they have to protect their own interests - just act in good faith please. |  |
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| I voted remain on 14:45 - Sep 21 with 1763 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I voted remain on 14:38 - Sep 21 by StokieBlue |
Quite few tweets saying the exact opposite - The New Statesman for instance. I can see how it would play well to supporters, it's certainly uncompromising.
What are your thoughts on the actual content?
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I think she was left with little choice after the EU failed to even consider Chequers as having any merit.
It's all well and good the EU saying they won't compromise but can they afford not to with the second largest net contributor to their budget leaving in a few months.
May has pretty much put forward a proposal that is the softest of soft Brexit's. To not even acknowledge that and to say "no no no" with their fingers in their ears is cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
People may say that it is us who are leaving so why should the EU compromise. Fine, then it's no deal, no security co-operation, no settlement.
As I said earlier, she should have the balls to say any negotiations are off and you can forget about the divorce settlement. |  |
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| I voted remain on 14:46 - Sep 21 with 1760 views | SpruceMoose |
| I voted remain on 14:44 - Sep 21 by giant_stow |
Arf.
I'm still a remainer and would love another vote, but it would be nice if our 'friends' were friendly. That doesn't mean giving us everything we want and I get they have to protect their own interests - just act in good faith please. |
We are in the 'hate each other's guts' stage of the divorce.
In a few years we will be in the 'grit our teeth and just, for the love of God, get along' stage - for the sake of Ireland. |  |
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| I voted remain on 14:47 - Sep 21 with 1753 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I voted remain on 14:40 - Sep 21 by SpruceMoose |
Why would they want to act in our best interests. Out means out right? They may have been taking the p!ss. We deserved it. |
Because we are the second largest of only three net contributing members. No deal means no settlement. No settlement means the EU is insolvent.
The Uk out of the EU is also the EU's largest export market. They have as much to lose as we do. A deal is in both parties interests. But we will only get a dewal if we are serious about walking away. So far the EU has thought we were bluffing. [Post edited 21 Sep 2018 14:49]
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| I voted remain on 14:48 - Sep 21 with 1747 views | giant_stow |
| I voted remain on 14:46 - Sep 21 by SpruceMoose |
We are in the 'hate each other's guts' stage of the divorce.
In a few years we will be in the 'grit our teeth and just, for the love of God, get along' stage - for the sake of Ireland. |
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| I voted remain on 14:49 - Sep 21 with 1742 views | SpruceMoose |
| I voted remain on 14:47 - Sep 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Because we are the second largest of only three net contributing members. No deal means no settlement. No settlement means the EU is insolvent.
The Uk out of the EU is also the EU's largest export market. They have as much to lose as we do. A deal is in both parties interests. But we will only get a dewal if we are serious about walking away. So far the EU has thought we were bluffing. [Post edited 21 Sep 2018 14:49]
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Sounds like not leaving is probably in both party's interests too. | |
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| I voted remain on 14:49 - Sep 21 with 1743 views | chicoazul |
| I voted remain on 14:37 - Sep 21 by WeWereZombies |
So it's all about the Tory party, their internal divisions and leadership struggle and damn the rest of us. Unconscionable. |
It has only *ever* been about the Tory Party. |  |
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| I voted remain on 14:49 - Sep 21 with 1733 views | No9 |
| I voted remain on 14:11 - Sep 21 by StokieBlue |
Well she's just stuck the boot in and blamed the EU.
Seemed pretty much like a no deal brexit speech to me, telling people to get used to that idea and blaming the EU entirely for not negotiating.
That's going to increase calls for a no-deal vs remain vote hugely. She's basically told the EU to sod off.
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Edit: Just seen Tusk's tweets. What a tool, unhelpful and unprofessional for someone in his position - very Trumpian. [Post edited 21 Sep 2018 14:14]
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She's as daft as a brush- she has been told by numerous MP's etc. the Chequers deal is a not starter, even had cabinet members resign over it but she still takes the piss out of the EU by asking thme to accpet something that won't fly in Westminster = only an idiot would do that.
First she )or someone else) has to get somethign that will get a positive vote in Westminster. Then it has to be presented to the EU winthin the rules 27 have signed up to
& it ust be remembered the UK is leaving NOT being kicked out????? |  | | |
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| I voted remain on 15:13 - Sep 21 with 1706 views | caught-in-limbo |
| I voted remain on 12:50 - Sep 21 by chicoazul |
So we have gone from "nothing has happened to move the UK away from EU control" to "lets see what happens" |
That's not a contradictory stance or a diluting of opinion in any way. "Nothing has happened" is present perfect, or in layman's terms the past until the present, while "let's see what happens" refers to the future.
What's your point, caller? |  |
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| I voted remain on 15:25 - Sep 21 with 1689 views | Darth_Koont |
| I voted remain on 14:47 - Sep 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Because we are the second largest of only three net contributing members. No deal means no settlement. No settlement means the EU is insolvent.
The Uk out of the EU is also the EU's largest export market. They have as much to lose as we do. A deal is in both parties interests. But we will only get a dewal if we are serious about walking away. So far the EU has thought we were bluffing. [Post edited 21 Sep 2018 14:49]
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"They have as much to lose as we do."
Still trotting out that false equivalence?
Any government that walks away completely will be skewered in the next election, which may end up being within a year. Our government knows it and so does the EU. |  |
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| I voted remain on 15:32 - Sep 21 with 1679 views | caught-in-limbo |
| I voted remain on 14:45 - Sep 21 by GlasgowBlue |
I think she was left with little choice after the EU failed to even consider Chequers as having any merit.
It's all well and good the EU saying they won't compromise but can they afford not to with the second largest net contributor to their budget leaving in a few months.
May has pretty much put forward a proposal that is the softest of soft Brexit's. To not even acknowledge that and to say "no no no" with their fingers in their ears is cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
People may say that it is us who are leaving so why should the EU compromise. Fine, then it's no deal, no security co-operation, no settlement.
As I said earlier, she should have the balls to say any negotiations are off and you can forget about the divorce settlement. |
"People may say that it is us who are leaving so why should the EU compromise. Fine, then it's no deal, no security co-operation, no settlement. "
Don't you worry, the security co-operation is well worked out. We're on course for full EU army-cum-NATO protection. [Post edited 21 Sep 2018 15:41]
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| I voted remain on 15:47 - Sep 21 with 1664 views | giant_stow |
| I voted remain on 14:44 - Sep 21 by giant_stow |
Arf.
I'm still a remainer and would love another vote, but it would be nice if our 'friends' were friendly. That doesn't mean giving us everything we want and I get they have to protect their own interests - just act in good faith please. |
Self-important and self loathing footnote: I see Rees-Mogg has just stolen my good faith line. ouch | |
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| I voted remain on 15:52 - Sep 21 with 1655 views | chicoazul |
| I voted remain on 15:13 - Sep 21 by caught-in-limbo |
That's not a contradictory stance or a diluting of opinion in any way. "Nothing has happened" is present perfect, or in layman's terms the past until the present, while "let's see what happens" refers to the future.
What's your point, caller? |
Nothing has happened, apart from we have invoked Article 50 which you believe counts as nothing. | |
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| I voted remain on 15:57 - Sep 21 with 1642 views | StokieBlue |
| I voted remain on 15:32 - Sep 21 by caught-in-limbo |
"People may say that it is us who are leaving so why should the EU compromise. Fine, then it's no deal, no security co-operation, no settlement. "
Don't you worry, the security co-operation is well worked out. We're on course for full EU army-cum-NATO protection. [Post edited 21 Sep 2018 15:41]
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What's wrong with a full EU army or NATO protection?
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| I voted remain on 15:59 - Sep 21 with 1637 views | chicoazul |
| I voted remain on 15:57 - Sep 21 by StokieBlue |
What's wrong with a full EU army or NATO protection?
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Never mind that, when did we *not* have EU or NATO protection? | |
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| I voted remain on 17:16 - Sep 21 with 1566 views | caught-in-limbo |
| I voted remain on 15:59 - Sep 21 by chicoazul |
Never mind that, when did we *not* have EU or NATO protection? |
"full EU army-cum-NATO protection" means we become a protectorate rather than an independent sovereign state - especially as our own military has been depleted consistently over the last 15 years to the point of being totally useless and therefore necessitating the help of foreign forces.
It's not really in line with the ideals of Brexit and greater independence, is it? [Post edited 21 Sep 2018 17:17]
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| I voted remain on 17:24 - Sep 21 with 1555 views | StokieBlue |
That's not what I asked.
I asked you what was wrong with an EU army or NATO defence pacts - you seem to have an issue with them, it would be interesting to know why.
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| I voted remain on 17:26 - Sep 21 with 1551 views | StokieBlue |
| I voted remain on 17:16 - Sep 21 by caught-in-limbo |
"full EU army-cum-NATO protection" means we become a protectorate rather than an independent sovereign state - especially as our own military has been depleted consistently over the last 15 years to the point of being totally useless and therefore necessitating the help of foreign forces.
It's not really in line with the ideals of Brexit and greater independence, is it? [Post edited 21 Sep 2018 17:17]
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You can disregard my other post - you've answered it here.
So the easy response to that is that we have always been a protectorate of the US as has all of Western Europe. Conventionally we haven't been up there for ages, it's only technological advancement and nukes that keep us near the top.
Are you suggesting the UK army should be a match for a joint EU army?
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| I voted remain on 17:26 - Sep 21 with 1551 views | chicoazul |
| I voted remain on 17:16 - Sep 21 by caught-in-limbo |
"full EU army-cum-NATO protection" means we become a protectorate rather than an independent sovereign state - especially as our own military has been depleted consistently over the last 15 years to the point of being totally useless and therefore necessitating the help of foreign forces.
It's not really in line with the ideals of Brexit and greater independence, is it? [Post edited 21 Sep 2018 17:17]
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We havent been an independent sovereign state for years and years and we wont be after Brexit either whatever form it takes. This is not news. If you are saying our current armed forces policy is mad then I agree, it's one of many mad things our country does. I rather suspect you and I agree on many more things than you might think. | |
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| I voted remain on 17:35 - Sep 21 with 1538 views | caught-in-limbo |
| I voted remain on 17:24 - Sep 21 by StokieBlue |
That's not what I asked.
I asked you what was wrong with an EU army or NATO defence pacts - you seem to have an issue with them, it would be interesting to know why.
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You've gone from:
"What's wrong with a full EU army or NATO protection? " to "what's wrong with an EU army or NATO defence pacts".
Full protection means we're nothing more than a protectorate of the US or a United States of Europe.
I like the rather romantic idea of Parliament deciding on foreign military intervention rather than an unelected EU government, or Trump/Obama/Clinton deciding on our behalf.
Yeah, I know I'm crazy. | |
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| I voted remain on 17:38 - Sep 21 with 1532 views | No9 |
| I voted remain on 17:26 - Sep 21 by StokieBlue |
You can disregard my other post - you've answered it here.
So the easy response to that is that we have always been a protectorate of the US as has all of Western Europe. Conventionally we haven't been up there for ages, it's only technological advancement and nukes that keep us near the top.
Are you suggesting the UK army should be a match for a joint EU army?
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But with attitude in the USA being what it is would it not be sensible for the EU to have it's own military forces supported by a NATO not necesssarily at Trumps beck & call?
Not easy I understand but it isn't worth relying on him and his mood dependencies is it? | | | |
| I voted remain on 17:44 - Sep 21 with 1526 views | caught-in-limbo |
| I voted remain on 17:26 - Sep 21 by chicoazul |
We havent been an independent sovereign state for years and years and we wont be after Brexit either whatever form it takes. This is not news. If you are saying our current armed forces policy is mad then I agree, it's one of many mad things our country does. I rather suspect you and I agree on many more things than you might think. |
" I rather suspect you and I agree on many more things than you might think."
If you ever bother to look at who gives you upvotes the truth is more likely to be: I rather suspect you and I agree on many more things than YOU might think.
I'm made out to be some sort of bizarre, anti-Western freak on here. A lot of people have bought into that and don't actually read what I write. | |
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| I voted remain on 17:55 - Sep 21 with 1517 views | StokieBlue |
| I voted remain on 17:35 - Sep 21 by caught-in-limbo |
You've gone from:
"What's wrong with a full EU army or NATO protection? " to "what's wrong with an EU army or NATO defence pacts".
Full protection means we're nothing more than a protectorate of the US or a United States of Europe.
I like the rather romantic idea of Parliament deciding on foreign military intervention rather than an unelected EU government, or Trump/Obama/Clinton deciding on our behalf.
Yeah, I know I'm crazy. |
Many apologies for not going back and using the exact same words.
However they are essentially the same thing, you are just looking for an out.
For instance, what is the functional difference between "NATO protection" and "NATO defence pacts".
There isn't one.
Do you have evidence that UK troops will be able to be sent to war without UK government approval?
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| I voted remain on 17:56 - Sep 21 with 1513 views | StokieBlue |
| I voted remain on 17:38 - Sep 21 by No9 |
But with attitude in the USA being what it is would it not be sensible for the EU to have it's own military forces supported by a NATO not necesssarily at Trumps beck & call?
Not easy I understand but it isn't worth relying on him and his mood dependencies is it? |
I don't understand what this has to do with any of my posts I'm afraid.
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