| It's even worse when you look up the road... 08:23 - Oct 22 with 7615 views | itfcjoe |
Scum in 6th place, 3 academy players playing regularly (including Todd Cantwell from Stowmarket  ), and Jordan Rhodes from our academy
A bunch of no mark Germans in the squad all playing with an identity and style.
SHows what having some leadership off the pitch in the football side of the club can do - as opposed to an owner who tries to effectively be the Chief Exec too - it is such a tinpot operation here off the field |  |
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| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:25 - Oct 22 with 2216 views | PhilTWTD |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:15 - Oct 22 by Townly |
The Murphys (£20m+) Maddison (£20m+) now Cantwell and the others you mentioned.
That's a money producing production line whatever off-spin you want to put on it.
I'm suggesting that youth are not lent out on loan and then left to get on with it by the parent club, far from it.
I'm suggesting that Academy A status might have been a lure for Maddison and academy status is the bottom line of any club's youth policy.
Therefore back to my real point about what has happened to our own Academy A ambitions?
The importance of the significance that these seem to have been shelved seems to have been lost amid current woes. |
Cat One is not a realistic aim as things stand given the cost, about £5m a year I think, compared to about £2.5 million as Cat Two. I think we've probably had more players come through our system in recent years than Norwich, which I assume was partly why they poached our head of recruitment, Steve McGavin, as part of their overhaul. |  | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:28 - Oct 22 with 2199 views | ElderGrizzly |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 09:30 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
I've been saying about a DoF or similar for years is required - it is so obvious.
Evans tries to act as one but is only at the club on a part time basis, and isn't an expert on football |
To be fair to Evans he has never tried to act as a DoF. |  | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:32 - Oct 22 with 2185 views | oldollie |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:28 - Oct 22 by ElderGrizzly |
To be fair to Evans he has never tried to act as a DoF. |
There are so many areas where investment is needed, the squad, the academy and the stadium just to name a few
Time for Evans to dip into his pockets big style |  | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:37 - Oct 22 with 2176 views | itfcjoe |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:28 - Oct 22 by ElderGrizzly |
To be fair to Evans he has never tried to act as a DoF. |
Well when the guy that runs the off pitch side of the club (Milne), the guy that runs the 1st team (Hurst) and the guy that runs the academy (Klug) all report directly into you, then you are effectively the DoF, or Sporting Director, or Chief Exec - especially when you negotiate all the transfers and contracts
And all done on a part time basis [Post edited 22 Oct 2018 11:38]
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| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:47 - Oct 22 with 2147 views | ElderGrizzly |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:37 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
Well when the guy that runs the off pitch side of the club (Milne), the guy that runs the 1st team (Hurst) and the guy that runs the academy (Klug) all report directly into you, then you are effectively the DoF, or Sporting Director, or Chief Exec - especially when you negotiate all the transfers and contracts
And all done on a part time basis [Post edited 22 Oct 2018 11:38]
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Defacto Chief Exec.
A true DoF has impact on footballing philosphy, tactics, identifying recruits etc. Evans does none of that.
We are simply missing a DoF and that issue is firmly Evans fault, especially with an inexperienced man like Hurst as manager. We’ve both been saying we have needed one for years, but we knew MM would never work under one.
The time to get one, was the summer and he failed | | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:50 - Oct 22 with 2137 views | itfcjoe |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:47 - Oct 22 by ElderGrizzly |
Defacto Chief Exec.
A true DoF has impact on footballing philosphy, tactics, identifying recruits etc. Evans does none of that.
We are simply missing a DoF and that issue is firmly Evans fault, especially with an inexperienced man like Hurst as manager. We’ve both been saying we have needed one for years, but we knew MM would never work under one.
The time to get one, was the summer and he failed |
We've got Dave Bowman employed at the club, we could do a hell of a lot worse than give him the job - he may be Mick's man, but he certainly knows how to run a club | |
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| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 12:08 - Oct 22 with 2092 views | Ace_High1 |
This is the biggest criticism from me this year the lack of our own young players being given a chance. Lets be honest could results be any worse? we are bottom, there is nowhere worse to be.
I have said from the summer the Edun signing is a waste of time and something Evans should not have sanctioned as it goes against the five point plan and developing our own, at least with Nydam here we would be making him better by giving him a little bit of game time.
At least if our academy players are playing they are either gaining experience which will make them better or making a name to enable us to then sell them on at a later date.
I don't know much about him, but for example how far is Dylan Crowe from the first team?
RB has been a problem for us for last few years but he has never even been on the bench and now is attracting the likes of Arsenal. I get he is young, but why not give him a game? |  | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 12:10 - Oct 22 with 2088 views | Ace_High1 |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:50 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
We've got Dave Bowman employed at the club, we could do a hell of a lot worse than give him the job - he may be Mick's man, but he certainly knows how to run a club |
What does he actually do? We seem to pay him to just fill a position but he doesn't seem to fulfil any role? its an open secret he would move on when Mick got another job so as you say either offer him a proper role and give him a list of responsibilities that he can be accountable for or he should have been let go in the summer? | | | |
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| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 12:13 - Oct 22 with 2079 views | imsureazzure |
Todd Cantwell is from Dereham, his father is from Stowmarket. |  | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 12:19 - Oct 22 with 2071 views | Pinewoodblue |
Advocated, at the start of the year, we should appoint a DoF before we appointed a new manager. |  |
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| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 12:32 - Oct 22 with 2046 views | ElderGrizzly |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 11:50 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
We've got Dave Bowman employed at the club, we could do a hell of a lot worse than give him the job - he may be Mick's man, but he certainly knows how to run a club |
Assume the open secret that he will jump ship as soon as Mick has a job has stopped us doing that? | | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 12:36 - Oct 22 with 2033 views | Ace_High1 |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 12:32 - Oct 22 by ElderGrizzly |
Assume the open secret that he will jump ship as soon as Mick has a job has stopped us doing that? |
In which case he should have gone in the summer?
Otherwise we could have done the same with TC, keep him until Mick gets a new job? Seems ridiculous to me to keep someone who doesn't want to be here long term. | | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 12:45 - Oct 22 with 2022 views | HennikerBlu |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 08:46 - Oct 22 by Townly |
Cat 'A' seems to be producing the goods for them as well.
Have we actually given up on that prized asset? Why?
No sooner has Maddison gone than they produce another one who seems nearly as promising. Todd Cantwell is fitting the bill very well by all accounts ... it's turning into a production line.
I put forward the idea that Ipswich needed a Director of Football a few weeks ago, but nobody on here responded.
It does seem the way to go, especially with an inexperienced manager. Instead we have the Marcus and Milne (who?) pairing and neither seems to have much idea when it comes to the nitty gritty of running a professional football club (from transfer business, to PR and on to youth management) in this day and age.
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Good points, I think you will find there is a decent number of us that would like to see a DoF and have mentioned it, particularly as the number of our signings and comings and goings seemed to lack oversight. Frankly, I have little doubt that an experienced DoF would have restricted the number of lower league players coming in one hit.
Brentford are an example where it works well and they have two people in that role. The counter to that will be that Brentford have currently knocked their youth side on the head (I think it will come back), they still have a development squad (U23) and of course being in London can sniff out loanees and youngsters that have not quite made it with the more local Prem clubs. |  | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 12:57 - Oct 22 with 1995 views | HennikerBlu |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 08:36 - Oct 22 by ElephantintheRoom |
Unfair comparison. Norwich have deliberately NOT followed the ITFC strategy of selling out to an offshore spiv. They have had their ups and downs and were considered to be in as big a mess as Town all of six weeks ago. Sad to say Norwich are far more connected with their fan base than Town and have retained their identity and integrity - those are really the only differences. Best to compare Town with Blackburn or Coventry. |
Serious question was anyone else interested?
Plus the financial mess we were in at the time, seemed more like a desperate sale to ME, just dressed up, as 'ME will be the right man to take as forward'. In fairness he tried, but now we are just in tick over mode.
Norwich have benefitted from Delia a real fan and an investor, plus higher gates and as you correctly point out the club does connect far better with the fans. We joke about their tin pot get togethers, but it all adds to the positive upbeat nature the executive promotes to connect to the fans.
We have a far greater history and yet could do so much more. The £10 promotion being an example. I also think the way PH has come across regarding the academy has hardly enamoured him with our fans or made the academy players feel special. It maybe grim up north, but when you sell a youth player for a £1mil, Klug and team must be doing something right. | | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 13:02 - Oct 22 with 1987 views | itfcjoe |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 12:32 - Oct 22 by ElderGrizzly |
Assume the open secret that he will jump ship as soon as Mick has a job has stopped us doing that? |
I'm genuinely not sure if that is the case now - think his other jobs are the bigger problem as he still works with Nike Academy amongst other things | |
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| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 13:08 - Oct 22 with 1966 views | oldollie |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 13:02 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
I'm genuinely not sure if that is the case now - think his other jobs are the bigger problem as he still works with Nike Academy amongst other things |
I have a controversial view in that both east Anglian clubs are to small to succeed and both clubs should merge to form a club capable of competing with the big buys
A bit like the the 2 Inverness clubs a few years ago
With Norwich owning their stadium use that as the base of the newly formed club
It’s a winner but people are to short sighted to see the possibilities | | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 13:14 - Oct 22 with 1943 views | itfcjoe |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 13:08 - Oct 22 by oldollie |
I have a controversial view in that both east Anglian clubs are to small to succeed and both clubs should merge to form a club capable of competing with the big buys
A bit like the the 2 Inverness clubs a few years ago
With Norwich owning their stadium use that as the base of the newly formed club
It’s a winner but people are to short sighted to see the possibilities |
Obvious troll is obvious | |
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| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 13:18 - Oct 22 with 1924 views | HennikerBlu |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 13:14 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
Obvious troll is obvious |
He and his mate have been trolling for the last few days and still people are giving them uppies.
Geez!!!! | | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 13:29 - Oct 22 with 1901 views | Bluefish |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 13:08 - Oct 22 by oldollie |
I have a controversial view in that both east Anglian clubs are to small to succeed and both clubs should merge to form a club capable of competing with the big buys
A bit like the the 2 Inverness clubs a few years ago
With Norwich owning their stadium use that as the base of the newly formed club
It’s a winner but people are to short sighted to see the possibilities |
Surely it would make more sense to keep out stadium, theirs is smaller and more limited besides it would take far too long to transport the contents of our trophy cabinets whereas their would fit in the boot of a small car |  |
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| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 14:30 - Oct 22 with 1826 views | chicoazul |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 13:08 - Oct 22 by oldollie |
I have a controversial view in that both east Anglian clubs are to small to succeed and both clubs should merge to form a club capable of competing with the big buys
A bit like the the 2 Inverness clubs a few years ago
With Norwich owning their stadium use that as the base of the newly formed club
It’s a winner but people are to short sighted to see the possibilities |
Hmmmm actually this is an interesting idea. Carrow Road could be used for reserve fixtures, concerts, accidental fires leading to insurance claims, etc.
We could call the newly formed club Ipswich Town FC and play all our games at the world famous Portman Road, wearing a strip of blue and white. |  |
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| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 14:43 - Oct 22 with 1800 views | No9 |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 09:37 - Oct 22 by SamWhiteUK |
What do you mean it was never in question? Were you jealous when he took over there? |
Jealous isn't the right word.
I would however have preferred him to PH | | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 14:55 - Oct 22 with 1784 views | Griller |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 10:23 - Oct 22 by PhilTWTD |
Only a matter of months ago they overhauled their academy as it was performing poorly so probably a bit premature to hail it as a success. It will also be interesting to see how long they maintain Cat 1 if they remain in the Championship given the cost. |
I hear what you are trying to say Phil but I think Norwich supporters will always come up with sufficient funding to maintain Category One football in Norfolk. It was the fans who almost overnight produced £5m to overhaul the facilities at Colney. Essentially the current difference between our respective Clubs is that NCFC is effectively owned by the people whereas ITFC belongs to one man, which is indeed a sad state of affairs. |  | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 15:00 - Oct 22 with 1770 views | itfcjoe |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 14:55 - Oct 22 by Griller |
I hear what you are trying to say Phil but I think Norwich supporters will always come up with sufficient funding to maintain Category One football in Norfolk. It was the fans who almost overnight produced £5m to overhaul the facilities at Colney. Essentially the current difference between our respective Clubs is that NCFC is effectively owned by the people whereas ITFC belongs to one man, which is indeed a sad state of affairs. |
It wasn't the fans that came up with the £5m, it was mostly one big institutional investor. | |
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| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 15:06 - Oct 22 with 1750 views | m14_blue |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 10:26 - Oct 22 by Townly |
We all know that.
He matured through their youth system though.
They used their academy status along with money accumulated from their (shortish) PL stay to be able to finance the risk of buying a very young but promising player from a lower league club. |
You know sometimes it's fine to just say, 'oh yeah, silly me I forgot that'. | | | |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 15:11 - Oct 22 with 1741 views | PhilTWTD |
| It's even worse when you look up the road... on 14:55 - Oct 22 by Griller |
I hear what you are trying to say Phil but I think Norwich supporters will always come up with sufficient funding to maintain Category One football in Norfolk. It was the fans who almost overnight produced £5m to overhaul the facilities at Colney. Essentially the current difference between our respective Clubs is that NCFC is effectively owned by the people whereas ITFC belongs to one man, which is indeed a sad state of affairs. |
Not sure that's realistic bearing in mind the sums involved - are fans going to be able to find a significant part of £5m every season? - and - assuming Norwich remain in the Championship and there isn't a financial injection from elsewhere - at a time when the first team budget will be significantly squeezed. | | | |
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