| Behind the Curve 12:13 - Jun 3 with 1248 views | Herbivore |
I watched an interesting docu-film on Netflix last night with the above title. It was really quite fascinating and an interesting insight into how people become entrenched in fringe or extreme positions and end up becoming utterly impervious to reason or evidence.
Some of the Earthers even carried out their own experiments, which were legit, to prove that the Earth isn't moving and that it has no curvature. The experimentd, unsurprisingly, showed that the Earth is indeed moving at the rate that would be expected by conventional knowledge and that the Earth is curved. They ignored their own evidence and continued to believe that the Earth is flat anyway.
Do we have any Flat Earthers on this board? Most in the docu were American but there were a few Brits too. |  |
| |  |
| Behind the Curve on 12:18 - Jun 3 with 1201 views | SpruceMoose |
The saddest thing in that documentary was the number of kids at their convention. Lives doomed before they've even had a chance. |  |
| Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 12:21 - Jun 3 with 1197 views | StokieBlue |
Rather than rewrite my summary of the documentary you can see it here:
Behind the Curve by StokieBlue 2 Apr 2019 22:42Has anyone watched this on Netflix? It's a documentary about the flat Earth movement so some minor spoilers below.
It's actually pretty good, it does a good job of showing the community spirit and they truly do believe the Earth is flat. There is an awful lot of confirmation bias and Dunning-Kruger effect and it does a good job of showing the growing distrust of experts, science and government agencies. My overall feeling was one of sadness. They are clearly wrong, there is no doubt about that but the fact they believe it so resolutely and pass on that belief to others is a worrying sign of the way the world is going in the social media age.
The scientists interviewed did a good job of showing how the movement needs to be engaged with constructively but also how it can be very dangerous. Distrust of science spreads to other areas with sometimes harmful effects.
My favourite parts were the flat-Earthers who want to use science to prove the Earth is flat. They devised two experiments. One was to calculate the rotation of the Earth over an hour and to do this someone bought them a 20k laser-gyro. They expected it to come back at 0 degrees as they believe it's not rotating but it always came back at 15 degrees (360/24) regardless how they tried to skew the experiment. The second experiment was to use a light over a specified distance. If the Earth was flat it should be seen at 17 feet from both locations, if it's curved it would need to be higher at the second location. Unsurprisingly it was 23+ feet at the second location. They declared the result interesting and went back to designing a different experiment to prove the Earth was flat rather than accepting that their own experiments had disproven their theory.
I was also a bit perplexed about the whole dome theory. Some of them believe that the Earth is covered in dome onto which projection of the heavens is beamed like a planetarium. This could clearly not form via any natural laws so would have to have been designed and constructed but they didn't get into that or whom may have built it. Any ideas?
Overall a decent watch and you do get a sense of their perspective although for me the main thing was a sense of sadness that so many people can be taken in by something so demonstrably incorrect due to a distrust of experts and science.
SB
SB |  |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 12:30 - Jun 3 with 1162 views | factual_blue |
The standard reply of 'balls' seems curiously inappropriate here. |  |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 12:31 - Jun 3 with 1156 views | factual_blue |
| Behind the Curve on 12:18 - Jun 3 by SpruceMoose |
The saddest thing in that documentary was the number of kids at their convention. Lives doomed before they've even had a chance. |
'Lives doomed before they've even had a chance.'
Or 'Americans' as we say on this side of the Atlantic. | |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 12:33 - Jun 3 with 1147 views | Guthrum |
| Behind the Curve on 12:21 - Jun 3 by StokieBlue |
Rather than rewrite my summary of the documentary you can see it here:
Behind the Curve by StokieBlue 2 Apr 2019 22:42Has anyone watched this on Netflix? It's a documentary about the flat Earth movement so some minor spoilers below.
It's actually pretty good, it does a good job of showing the community spirit and they truly do believe the Earth is flat. There is an awful lot of confirmation bias and Dunning-Kruger effect and it does a good job of showing the growing distrust of experts, science and government agencies. My overall feeling was one of sadness. They are clearly wrong, there is no doubt about that but the fact they believe it so resolutely and pass on that belief to others is a worrying sign of the way the world is going in the social media age.
The scientists interviewed did a good job of showing how the movement needs to be engaged with constructively but also how it can be very dangerous. Distrust of science spreads to other areas with sometimes harmful effects.
My favourite parts were the flat-Earthers who want to use science to prove the Earth is flat. They devised two experiments. One was to calculate the rotation of the Earth over an hour and to do this someone bought them a 20k laser-gyro. They expected it to come back at 0 degrees as they believe it's not rotating but it always came back at 15 degrees (360/24) regardless how they tried to skew the experiment. The second experiment was to use a light over a specified distance. If the Earth was flat it should be seen at 17 feet from both locations, if it's curved it would need to be higher at the second location. Unsurprisingly it was 23+ feet at the second location. They declared the result interesting and went back to designing a different experiment to prove the Earth was flat rather than accepting that their own experiments had disproven their theory.
I was also a bit perplexed about the whole dome theory. Some of them believe that the Earth is covered in dome onto which projection of the heavens is beamed like a planetarium. This could clearly not form via any natural laws so would have to have been designed and constructed but they didn't get into that or whom may have built it. Any ideas?
Overall a decent watch and you do get a sense of their perspective although for me the main thing was a sense of sadness that so many people can be taken in by something so demonstrably incorrect due to a distrust of experts and science.
SB
SB |
The explanation of gravity I heard is that the Earth Disk is being accelerated upwards at 9.81 metres per second squared, thus providing the same effect. However, if that were the case, it would reach the speed of light in under a year (353.7 days). Which would have all sorts of interesting effects. |  |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 12:36 - Jun 3 with 1133 views | lowhouseblue |
| Behind the Curve on 12:33 - Jun 3 by Guthrum |
The explanation of gravity I heard is that the Earth Disk is being accelerated upwards at 9.81 metres per second squared, thus providing the same effect. However, if that were the case, it would reach the speed of light in under a year (353.7 days). Which would have all sorts of interesting effects. |
but perhaps it slows down again when we're all asleep? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 12:43 - Jun 3 with 1106 views | Guthrum |
| Behind the Curve on 12:36 - Jun 3 by lowhouseblue |
but perhaps it slows down again when we're all asleep? |
Might explain flying dreams. | |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 12:44 - Jun 3 with 1102 views | lowhouseblue |
| Behind the Curve on 12:43 - Jun 3 by Guthrum |
Might explain flying dreams. |
and that feeling of falling just as you're going to sleep. this might be the evidence they're looking for. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Behind the Curve on 12:47 - Jun 3 with 1076 views | Guthrum |
| Behind the Curve on 12:44 - Jun 3 by lowhouseblue |
and that feeling of falling just as you're going to sleep. this might be the evidence they're looking for. |
Tho how come night shift workers (and students) have never noticed? Maybe they're in on the conspiracy? | |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 13:02 - Jun 3 with 1041 views | SpruceMoose |
| Behind the Curve on 12:31 - Jun 3 by factual_blue |
'Lives doomed before they've even had a chance.'
Or 'Americans' as we say on this side of the Atlantic. |
Um... You've seen Britain lately I presume!? | |
| Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 13:22 - Jun 3 with 998 views | factual_blue |
| Behind the Curve on 13:02 - Jun 3 by SpruceMoose |
Um... You've seen Britain lately I presume!? |
Sadly, yes.
Do you know where I can buy a large calibre machine gun? | |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 13:22 - Jun 3 with 996 views | J2BLUE |
| Behind the Curve on 12:33 - Jun 3 by Guthrum |
The explanation of gravity I heard is that the Earth Disk is being accelerated upwards at 9.81 metres per second squared, thus providing the same effect. However, if that were the case, it would reach the speed of light in under a year (353.7 days). Which would have all sorts of interesting effects. |
I love the way they say gravity is a theory and then their theories are even more batsh1t mental. |  |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 13:29 - Jun 3 with 973 views | MalcolmBlue |
I'm starting to warm to the idea that the globe is flat actually |  |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 13:34 - Jun 3 with 964 views | Herbivore |
| Behind the Curve on 12:21 - Jun 3 by StokieBlue |
Rather than rewrite my summary of the documentary you can see it here:
Behind the Curve by StokieBlue 2 Apr 2019 22:42Has anyone watched this on Netflix? It's a documentary about the flat Earth movement so some minor spoilers below.
It's actually pretty good, it does a good job of showing the community spirit and they truly do believe the Earth is flat. There is an awful lot of confirmation bias and Dunning-Kruger effect and it does a good job of showing the growing distrust of experts, science and government agencies. My overall feeling was one of sadness. They are clearly wrong, there is no doubt about that but the fact they believe it so resolutely and pass on that belief to others is a worrying sign of the way the world is going in the social media age.
The scientists interviewed did a good job of showing how the movement needs to be engaged with constructively but also how it can be very dangerous. Distrust of science spreads to other areas with sometimes harmful effects.
My favourite parts were the flat-Earthers who want to use science to prove the Earth is flat. They devised two experiments. One was to calculate the rotation of the Earth over an hour and to do this someone bought them a 20k laser-gyro. They expected it to come back at 0 degrees as they believe it's not rotating but it always came back at 15 degrees (360/24) regardless how they tried to skew the experiment. The second experiment was to use a light over a specified distance. If the Earth was flat it should be seen at 17 feet from both locations, if it's curved it would need to be higher at the second location. Unsurprisingly it was 23+ feet at the second location. They declared the result interesting and went back to designing a different experiment to prove the Earth was flat rather than accepting that their own experiments had disproven their theory.
I was also a bit perplexed about the whole dome theory. Some of them believe that the Earth is covered in dome onto which projection of the heavens is beamed like a planetarium. This could clearly not form via any natural laws so would have to have been designed and constructed but they didn't get into that or whom may have built it. Any ideas?
Overall a decent watch and you do get a sense of their perspective although for me the main thing was a sense of sadness that so many people can be taken in by something so demonstrably incorrect due to a distrust of experts and science.
SB
SB |
Hadn't seen your thread Stoke, apologies.
Some of it was really quite sad. The main guy though, Mark Sargent, just seemed like a narcissist. I liked how he claimed that people recognise him, when actually it's far more likely they've clocked that he's wearing a t-shirt saying "I'm Mark Sargent". I don't think he even really believes in it if I'm honest, he's just found something he can make money from in his bedroom. Some of the others seemed genuinely unwell and some were just lonely and on the fringes of society.
I think what it highlighted is that whilst it's all well and good to say that we need to engage with them, on what level is that possible? We can't engage on evidence, since their own evidence disproves their theory and yet they've not rejected the theory. It almost needs some sort of deprogramming and a reintroduction into mainstream society, but that's expensive and requires them to want to change. | |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 13:48 - Jun 3 with 935 views | StokieBlue |
| Behind the Curve on 13:34 - Jun 3 by Herbivore |
Hadn't seen your thread Stoke, apologies.
Some of it was really quite sad. The main guy though, Mark Sargent, just seemed like a narcissist. I liked how he claimed that people recognise him, when actually it's far more likely they've clocked that he's wearing a t-shirt saying "I'm Mark Sargent". I don't think he even really believes in it if I'm honest, he's just found something he can make money from in his bedroom. Some of the others seemed genuinely unwell and some were just lonely and on the fringes of society.
I think what it highlighted is that whilst it's all well and good to say that we need to engage with them, on what level is that possible? We can't engage on evidence, since their own evidence disproves their theory and yet they've not rejected the theory. It almost needs some sort of deprogramming and a reintroduction into mainstream society, but that's expensive and requires them to want to change. |
No worries, it was from quite a time ago, just easier for me to link to that than remember by thoughts from the time.
Totally agree on Marc Sargent - he has seen an opportunity to be "important" and has seized on it.
I tend to agree on the last paragraph, they literally disproved their own theories and confirmed the scientific consensus yet it wasn't enough. Unfortunately the internet tends to make it easier to indoctrinate vulnerable people into such things as this. There is no obviously solution that I can think of.
Perhaps including sceptical thinking and analysis in the curriculum might help, at least that gives youngsters a chance to sort through the nonsense.
SB [Post edited 3 Jun 2019 13:54]
| |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 13:58 - Jun 3 with 915 views | Herbivore |
| Behind the Curve on 13:29 - Jun 3 by MalcolmBlue |
I'm starting to warm to the idea that the globe is flat actually |
A flat globe is an oxymoron. Please expand on your thinking though, I'd be interested to hear where you're coming from. | |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 13:59 - Jun 3 with 913 views | BlueBadger |
| Behind the Curve on 13:29 - Jun 3 by MalcolmBlue |
I'm starting to warm to the idea that the globe is flat actually |
Who'd have thought someone called 'Malcolm' on TWTD would be open to mad ideas? |  |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 14:25 - Jun 3 with 872 views | noggin |
Apparently someone laid a spirit level on Bentley Green and the world is indeed flat. End of. |  |
| |
| Behind the Curve on 14:41 - Jun 3 with 847 views | IpswichKnight |
| Behind the Curve on 13:48 - Jun 3 by StokieBlue |
No worries, it was from quite a time ago, just easier for me to link to that than remember by thoughts from the time.
Totally agree on Marc Sargent - he has seen an opportunity to be "important" and has seized on it.
I tend to agree on the last paragraph, they literally disproved their own theories and confirmed the scientific consensus yet it wasn't enough. Unfortunately the internet tends to make it easier to indoctrinate vulnerable people into such things as this. There is no obviously solution that I can think of.
Perhaps including sceptical thinking and analysis in the curriculum might help, at least that gives youngsters a chance to sort through the nonsense.
SB [Post edited 3 Jun 2019 13:54]
|
I felt most of them on that programme were looking for a sense of belonging to something rather than being proper flat earthers. |  | | |
| Behind the Curve on 15:17 - Jun 3 with 799 views | factual_blue |
| Behind the Curve on 13:59 - Jun 3 by BlueBadger |
Who'd have thought someone called 'Malcolm' on TWTD would be open to mad ideas? |
Quite so Malcolm. | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
