| 3 years today since that bloody referendum 11:39 - Jun 23 with 8875 views | tractordownsouth |
It’s achieved absolutely nothing, and it’s a shame to think of all the issues that we could have put time and money into solving in the meantime.
It’s mad that it’s getting to the point where I’m looking back at the coalition as a golden era.
Mind you, Cameron is easily the worst post-war Prime Minister, he has done more to divide this country than Thatcher. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 15:40 - Jun 23 with 2828 views | Herbivore |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 15:16 - Jun 23 by BlueBadger |
I wonder how many on here berate 'lefties' but still take full advantage of paid holidays, NHS services, employers not being able to sack you on a whim... |
Some hard of thinking chap on here the other day was saying that socialism had always harmed the poor. I asked him for an example of a socialist UK government and he said we'd never had one "thankfully" and he was drawing on the example of the USSR and Venezuela and suggesting some kind of parity between those regimes and a potential Labour government.
I then pointed out that the most socialist government we've ever had - one which makes the current Labour Party look right of centre economically - was that of Clement Attlee. I pointed out this government had given us the NHS and the welfare state and had done so through a process of nationalisation. I suggested that these things had been of huge benefit to the poorest and most vulnerable in society.
Said hard of thinking individual then went very quiet indeed. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 15:41 - Jun 23 with 2824 views | Herbivore |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 15:35 - Jun 23 by BlueBadger |
Imagine being so low down in the Russian Secret Service that you get TWTD as your gig. |
I imagine it's the job they give to Putin's nephew who was dropped on his head as a toddler. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 15:45 - Jun 23 with 2816 views | tractordownsouth |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 13:46 - Jun 23 by gazzer1999 |
I take it you hate your country.
Still get out your England shirt at world cups I bet. |
I find it mind boggling that wanting to make your country poorer for absolutely no reason whatsoever is now the ‘ patriotic’ choice | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 15:54 - Jun 23 with 2810 views | HolyGoalie |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 14:01 - Jun 23 by WeWereZombies |
I know you are probably one of the all too many mock accounts on here now but even allowing for that you do seem to get the hump very quickly. |
I think I have conducted myself calmly even if my point of view isn't a popular one.
Accusations about being a mock account or returning trouble maker are a shame really as I haven't attacked people on here like those posters seem to do, I just have a point of view some dislike. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 15:57 - Jun 23 with 2798 views | Herbivore |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 15:54 - Jun 23 by HolyGoalie |
I think I have conducted myself calmly even if my point of view isn't a popular one.
Accusations about being a mock account or returning trouble maker are a shame really as I haven't attacked people on here like those posters seem to do, I just have a point of view some dislike. |
Classic troll defence. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 16:00 - Jun 23 with 2797 views | HolyGoalie |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 13:46 - Jun 23 by gazzer1999 |
I take it you hate your country.
Still get out your England shirt at world cups I bet. |
Comments like these are pointless provocation and why people like myself get put on trial on here. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 16:01 - Jun 23 with 2799 views | unstableblue |
I have friends and know a number of people working in Whitehall, I also the number of consultancies and system integrators working on Brexit projects. Brexit has cost us the taxpayers a huge huge amount of money so far. Most of the money spent adds no value to the UK as it is transition studies and risk assessments. Much of the cash is setting up new departments to replace existing Brussels roles and to create the necessary bureaucracy, which will also place an ongoing bill on the treasury, so the EU current 'fees' are not disappearing in magical savings. You could not make it up.
That non value add 'project' money could have been spent on new schools and hospitals.
As you state all government focus has been on Brexit rather than reform and improvements to the country.
And we haven’t really even started Brexit yet.
If you listened to Dutch PM (Anglophile) and then the incompetent David Davies on the radio this week you’d just know the mess that is being created and the sheer head in the sand nature of this Tory majority.
All for what? Immigration controls that will be rolled back once the damage to UK economy is realised.
Sickening. [Post edited 23 Jun 2019 18:40]
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 16:04 - Jun 23 with 2788 views | bluejacko |
It’s no wonder there has been no progress with these wimps in Parliament have shown no bottle whatsoever to get on and do what they where instructed to do by the majority in a referendum!
Still I will get prepared for the inevitable barrage of incoming saying that is not how parliament works but they are not slow in creating cross party coalitions to try and stop Brexit are they? |  | | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 16:04 - Jun 23 with 2788 views | SpruceMoose |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 14:52 - Jun 23 by footers |
The state of that.  |
Christ, what a melt! |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 16:26 - Jun 23 with 2770 views | Herbivore |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 16:04 - Jun 23 by bluejacko |
It’s no wonder there has been no progress with these wimps in Parliament have shown no bottle whatsoever to get on and do what they where instructed to do by the majority in a referendum!
Still I will get prepared for the inevitable barrage of incoming saying that is not how parliament works but they are not slow in creating cross party coalitions to try and stop Brexit are they? |
We would have left already if the hard Brexit loons in the Tory Party had actually voted for us to leave. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 17:55 - Jun 23 with 2728 views | gazzer1999 |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 15:45 - Jun 23 by tractordownsouth |
I find it mind boggling that wanting to make your country poorer for absolutely no reason whatsoever is now the ‘ patriotic’ choice |
Shame you have absolutely no proof that could happen, only the here say of "experts" the same ones that said instant recession after there vote to leave, mass unemployment, higher interest payments etc etc.... Still waiting.
We do know that the Common market, which is what we joined, not an EU super state, has cost us money and still is.
I put this to you, if we have another referendum and the vote is still out what then? |  | | |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 17:59 - Jun 23 with 2723 views | pickles110564 |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 17:55 - Jun 23 by gazzer1999 |
Shame you have absolutely no proof that could happen, only the here say of "experts" the same ones that said instant recession after there vote to leave, mass unemployment, higher interest payments etc etc.... Still waiting.
We do know that the Common market, which is what we joined, not an EU super state, has cost us money and still is.
I put this to you, if we have another referendum and the vote is still out what then? |
They will want another losers vote |  | | |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:00 - Jun 23 with 2722 views | footers |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 17:55 - Jun 23 by gazzer1999 |
Shame you have absolutely no proof that could happen, only the here say of "experts" the same ones that said instant recession after there vote to leave, mass unemployment, higher interest payments etc etc.... Still waiting.
We do know that the Common market, which is what we joined, not an EU super state, has cost us money and still is.
I put this to you, if we have another referendum and the vote is still out what then? |
Where is your cost-benefit analysis of our EU membership? Links with numbers would be helpful.
Or do you mean we had to pay to be a part of various European projects? If so, then yes, I'd have to agree that it has cost us something. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:06 - Jun 23 with 2715 views | gazzer1999 |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:00 - Jun 23 by footers |
Where is your cost-benefit analysis of our EU membership? Links with numbers would be helpful.
Or do you mean we had to pay to be a part of various European projects? If so, then yes, I'd have to agree that it has cost us something. |
Over £20 billion every year handed over in tariffs for goods imported into the UK. Check the EU website its all there, but then I guess you knew all that as you know all the things they do for us. | | | |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:07 - Jun 23 with 2715 views | footers |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:06 - Jun 23 by gazzer1999 |
Over £20 billion every year handed over in tariffs for goods imported into the UK. Check the EU website its all there, but then I guess you knew all that as you know all the things they do for us. |
"I guess you knew all that as you know all the things they do for us."
Yes.
Thanks for your time, caller. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:11 - Jun 23 with 2708 views | gazzer1999 |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:07 - Jun 23 by footers |
"I guess you knew all that as you know all the things they do for us."
Yes.
Thanks for your time, caller. |
Blimey I thought you would have at least challenged that and said its not true. | | | |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:15 - Jun 23 with 2701 views | SpruceMoose |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 17:59 - Jun 23 by pickles110564 |
They will want another losers vote |
Which way did you vote again Liar McLyingface? | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:27 - Jun 23 with 2679 views | footers |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:11 - Jun 23 by gazzer1999 |
Blimey I thought you would have at least challenged that and said its not true. |
No, it was intellectual checkmate. I had to give in. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:27 - Jun 23 with 2679 views | Herbivore |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:06 - Jun 23 by gazzer1999 |
Over £20 billion every year handed over in tariffs for goods imported into the UK. Check the EU website its all there, but then I guess you knew all that as you know all the things they do for us. |
That's because the tariffs are EU tariffs, something you don't seem able to grasp. We as a member state simply levy the tariff on behalf of the EU and keep 20% to (more than) cover costs. You've also greatly inflated the figures there. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:35 - Jun 23 with 2671 views | Pinewoodblue |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:15 - Jun 23 by SpruceMoose |
Which way did you vote again Liar McLyingface? |
Careful Sprucie you don't want any snowflakes reporting for you for abuse. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:47 - Jun 23 with 2663 views | BlueBadger |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 16:00 - Jun 23 by HolyGoalie |
Comments like these are pointless provocation and why people like myself get put on trial on here. |
Nah, talking b0llocks gets you told why you're talking b0llocks. There, corrected that spelling for you. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:48 - Jun 23 with 2663 views | BlueBadger |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 17:59 - Jun 23 by pickles110564 |
They will want another losers vote |
As someone who voted to remain I'd have thought you'd relish the chance to get what you want. [Post edited 23 Jun 2019 19:36]
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| Let me spell it out for you.... on 18:50 - Jun 23 with 2661 views | unstableblue |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 15:24 - Jun 23 by BloomBlue |
I agree with you if we had left the EU the day after we had voted to leave we could have sorted out a few of our issues with the money wasted on the EU
I disagree with you on worst PM the winner of that prize is Blair by a mile |
"the money wasted on the EU"
Have you ever considered that the EU provided a service to the UK? that is added value?
I'm not saying it was the most efficient.
But there was an economy of scale in having one team, small relative to having one in every member, to negotiate trade deals, agree product standards, agree policies climate and foreign policy.
If you think that we are now not creating a huge new bureaucracy in Whitehall - you are really are very deluded!!
But why am I spending my time replying to someone who has a blue passport as his avatar is beyond me?! | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:51 - Jun 23 with 2660 views | BlueBadger |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 16:01 - Jun 23 by unstableblue |
I have friends and know a number of people working in Whitehall, I also the number of consultancies and system integrators working on Brexit projects. Brexit has cost us the taxpayers a huge huge amount of money so far. Most of the money spent adds no value to the UK as it is transition studies and risk assessments. Much of the cash is setting up new departments to replace existing Brussels roles and to create the necessary bureaucracy, which will also place an ongoing bill on the treasury, so the EU current 'fees' are not disappearing in magical savings. You could not make it up.
That non value add 'project' money could have been spent on new schools and hospitals.
As you state all government focus has been on Brexit rather than reform and improvements to the country.
And we haven’t really even started Brexit yet.
If you listened to Dutch PM (Anglophile) and then the incompetent David Davies on the radio this week you’d just know the mess that is being created and the sheer head in the sand nature of this Tory majority.
All for what? Immigration controls that will be rolled back once the damage to UK economy is realised.
Sickening. [Post edited 23 Jun 2019 18:40]
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Ah now, we'll have blue passports as well as no foreigners. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:11 - Jun 23 with 2643 views | gazzer1999 |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:27 - Jun 23 by Herbivore |
That's because the tariffs are EU tariffs, something you don't seem able to grasp. We as a member state simply levy the tariff on behalf of the EU and keep 20% to (more than) cover costs. You've also greatly inflated the figures there. |
They have not been greatly exaggerated, latest figures available. My point is that we could choose to reduce those tariffs thus making products cheaper, or we get to keep all of the money if we left them in place.
And before you say it would put British workers out of jobs, why do you think we import these goods? because we don't make them but the rest of the EU does, so probably hurt them not us. £20billion thats a lot for hospitals, schools, pensioners, every year. And thats before we even start with savings on membership.
Oh and if you check we don't get 20% commission. | | | |
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