| 3 years today since that bloody referendum 11:39 - Jun 23 with 8880 views | tractordownsouth |
It’s achieved absolutely nothing, and it’s a shame to think of all the issues that we could have put time and money into solving in the meantime.
It’s mad that it’s getting to the point where I’m looking back at the coalition as a golden era.
Mind you, Cameron is easily the worst post-war Prime Minister, he has done more to divide this country than Thatcher. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:11 - Jun 23 with 1776 views | pickles110564 |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 18:35 - Jun 23 by Pinewoodblue |
Careful Sprucie you don't want any snowflakes reporting for you for abuse. |
Nope you got that the wrong way round mate |  | | |
| Let me spell it out for you.... on 19:15 - Jun 23 with 1775 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Let me spell it out for you.... on 18:50 - Jun 23 by unstableblue |
"the money wasted on the EU"
Have you ever considered that the EU provided a service to the UK? that is added value?
I'm not saying it was the most efficient.
But there was an economy of scale in having one team, small relative to having one in every member, to negotiate trade deals, agree product standards, agree policies climate and foreign policy.
If you think that we are now not creating a huge new bureaucracy in Whitehall - you are really are very deluded!!
But why am I spending my time replying to someone who has a blue passport as his avatar is beyond me?! |
No, they’ve never considered it. They know the price of everything and value of nothing, as the saying goes. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:25 - Jun 23 with 1756 views | WeWereZombies |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 17:59 - Jun 23 by pickles110564 |
They will want another losers vote |
Or to give it the correct name, a second Scottish Independence referendum. And, yes, I will blame the Leavers for breaking up the Union. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:34 - Jun 23 with 1744 views | WeWereZombies |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 15:40 - Jun 23 by Herbivore |
Some hard of thinking chap on here the other day was saying that socialism had always harmed the poor. I asked him for an example of a socialist UK government and he said we'd never had one "thankfully" and he was drawing on the example of the USSR and Venezuela and suggesting some kind of parity between those regimes and a potential Labour government.
I then pointed out that the most socialist government we've ever had - one which makes the current Labour Party look right of centre economically - was that of Clement Attlee. I pointed out this government had given us the NHS and the welfare state and had done so through a process of nationalisation. I suggested that these things had been of huge benefit to the poorest and most vulnerable in society.
Said hard of thinking individual then went very quiet indeed. |
Actually Herbie, as someone with hearing loss, I could do without the 'hard of' jibe being levelled at other posters. Not everyone over sixty voted Leave, not every one in a manual job voted Leave, not everyone without a university education voted Leave and not everyone in the North of England voted Leave. The task in preparing for a second referendum is to persuade people who are likely to consider the vote on its merits to vote to Remain in the European Union (I think we have to accept that there are dogmatists who will not change to Remain even if faced with an extreme right wing administration such as the Second World War was fought against).
I doubt some will be persuaded by constant and demeaning attack, reason and rationality are more useful. And cordiality if possible, but we all fall down on that one when discussions get heated. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:44 - Jun 23 with 1727 views | Herbivore |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:11 - Jun 23 by gazzer1999 |
They have not been greatly exaggerated, latest figures available. My point is that we could choose to reduce those tariffs thus making products cheaper, or we get to keep all of the money if we left them in place.
And before you say it would put British workers out of jobs, why do you think we import these goods? because we don't make them but the rest of the EU does, so probably hurt them not us. £20billion thats a lot for hospitals, schools, pensioners, every year. And thats before we even start with savings on membership.
Oh and if you check we don't get 20% commission. |
In 2015 the tariffs were £3bn and they were again in 2017: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47554026
Are you saying they've shot up by £17bn in under 2 years?
The Tories have proposed virtually zero tariffs if we leave without a deal, so we'll be bringing in less than we are currently. And zero tarrifs on imports would be a disaster for UK business.
Even if we kept tariffs as they are we'd be getting fewer goods coming in as we are currently a gateway to the EU, so much of what comes to the UK by sea in particular travels onward frictionlessly into other EU states. Those imports will go elsewhere. That will effect both revenue and jobs at our ports.
The idea that the EU will be worse off and we won't be is pure fiction. It stands up to not one minute of rational scrutiny. [Post edited 23 Jun 2019 19:57]
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:45 - Jun 23 with 1724 views | Herbivore |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:34 - Jun 23 by WeWereZombies |
Actually Herbie, as someone with hearing loss, I could do without the 'hard of' jibe being levelled at other posters. Not everyone over sixty voted Leave, not every one in a manual job voted Leave, not everyone without a university education voted Leave and not everyone in the North of England voted Leave. The task in preparing for a second referendum is to persuade people who are likely to consider the vote on its merits to vote to Remain in the European Union (I think we have to accept that there are dogmatists who will not change to Remain even if faced with an extreme right wing administration such as the Second World War was fought against).
I doubt some will be persuaded by constant and demeaning attack, reason and rationality are more useful. And cordiality if possible, but we all fall down on that one when discussions get heated. |
I've tried using reason and being cordial. It doesn't work. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:47 - Jun 23 with 1723 views | J2BLUE |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:25 - Jun 23 by WeWereZombies |
Or to give it the correct name, a second Scottish Independence referendum. And, yes, I will blame the Leavers for breaking up the Union. |
Scottish independence is coming anyway. Brexit might just speed up the process. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:57 - Jun 23 with 1702 views | BloomBlue |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:47 - Jun 23 by J2BLUE |
Scottish independence is coming anyway. Brexit might just speed up the process. |
Trouble for the Scots is if they want to join the EU after Brexit they'll have to use the Euro and that will result in a large increase in consumer costs as it did for every country that moved to the Euro. |  | | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 22:15 - Jun 23 with 1660 views | WeWereZombies |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:57 - Jun 23 by BloomBlue |
Trouble for the Scots is if they want to join the EU after Brexit they'll have to use the Euro and that will result in a large increase in consumer costs as it did for every country that moved to the Euro. |
Sturgeon has been having meetings in Brussels, if there is a way of not leaving the European Union in the first place i.e. not wanting to set a precedent about chucking out a nation that voted to Remain because another nation has voted to leave, then the re-joining issue is dead in the water, as is the having to adopt the Euro as currency issue. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 22:25 - Jun 23 with 1656 views | J2BLUE |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 22:15 - Jun 23 by WeWereZombies |
Sturgeon has been having meetings in Brussels, if there is a way of not leaving the European Union in the first place i.e. not wanting to set a precedent about chucking out a nation that voted to Remain because another nation has voted to leave, then the re-joining issue is dead in the water, as is the having to adopt the Euro as currency issue. |
Good luck getting Spain to agree to that. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 22:36 - Jun 23 with 1646 views | WeWereZombies |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 22:25 - Jun 23 by J2BLUE |
Good luck getting Spain to agree to that. |
Spain has a different constitutional form to the United Kingdom and Catalan independence is impossible unless the fragile constitution of 1975 is revoked. There are underlying dangers to the cohesion of Spanish nationality and political stability that make that unlikely. The sticking point would be Gibraltar (another place in danger of exiting despite an overwhelming majority voting to Remain). We may see some very interesting pressure and 'horse trading' employed against Spain. A much bigger issue would be an Irish backstop type of conundrum between England and Scotland, which could happen whether it was a case of Scotland just not leaving the European Union or if Scottish independence happened and then Scotland was granted accession to the European Union.
Why would Brussels want to go through with all this hassle? It seems to be what Europe does these days. Appear a morass but actually come up with solutions, if only to keep the show on the road. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 22:39 - Jun 23 with 1640 views | Clapham_Junction |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 22:25 - Jun 23 by J2BLUE |
Good luck getting Spain to agree to that. |
They have a better government now (and one that is reliant on Podemos (sympathetic to Catalan independence) and Catalan nationalists), so it might not be so much of an issue. |  | | |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 23:49 - Jun 23 with 1604 views | Sarge |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:11 - Jun 23 by pickles110564 |
Nope you got that the wrong way round mate |
Are we talking about your ballot paper again?
...Sorry, I don’t get up from right back very often and that was a tap in. |  | | |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 00:33 - Jun 24 with 1590 views | syntaxerror |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:11 - Jun 23 by gazzer1999 |
They have not been greatly exaggerated, latest figures available. My point is that we could choose to reduce those tariffs thus making products cheaper, or we get to keep all of the money if we left them in place.
And before you say it would put British workers out of jobs, why do you think we import these goods? because we don't make them but the rest of the EU does, so probably hurt them not us. £20billion thats a lot for hospitals, schools, pensioners, every year. And thats before we even start with savings on membership.
Oh and if you check we don't get 20% commission. |
People really believe this tripe?
1) If we leave under WTO rules, and reduce tariffs, we are obliged (by the WTO rules) to reduce tariffs for everyone. So, any savvy business owner, when given the choice to use expensive British products or cheaper options from wherever is going to chose the cheapest option. (Tim Martin a perfect example of this)
2) And therefore, British jobs suffer.
Or we ramp up tariffs, to protect British made products. And:
1) Prices increase, the cost of living goes up and most people suffer.
2) People stop spending on non essentials, the economy shrinks and we end up in a recession.
Oh, but project fear! [Post edited 24 Jun 2019 0:34]
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 00:49 - Jun 24 with 1582 views | SpruceMoose |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 00:33 - Jun 24 by syntaxerror |
People really believe this tripe?
1) If we leave under WTO rules, and reduce tariffs, we are obliged (by the WTO rules) to reduce tariffs for everyone. So, any savvy business owner, when given the choice to use expensive British products or cheaper options from wherever is going to chose the cheapest option. (Tim Martin a perfect example of this)
2) And therefore, British jobs suffer.
Or we ramp up tariffs, to protect British made products. And:
1) Prices increase, the cost of living goes up and most people suffer.
2) People stop spending on non essentials, the economy shrinks and we end up in a recession.
Oh, but project fear! [Post edited 24 Jun 2019 0:34]
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Yeah but Gazzer came up with his opinion based on nothing, during his morning poo, and as we all know...
Feelings > Reality to these folk. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 01:36 - Jun 24 with 1575 views | vapour_trail |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 17:55 - Jun 23 by gazzer1999 |
Shame you have absolutely no proof that could happen, only the here say of "experts" the same ones that said instant recession after there vote to leave, mass unemployment, higher interest payments etc etc.... Still waiting.
We do know that the Common market, which is what we joined, not an EU super state, has cost us money and still is.
I put this to you, if we have another referendum and the vote is still out what then? |
Here say
‘Experts’
FFS
this is why referenda are a bad idea. I’ve given up on democracy when eedjits like this are afforded equal status.
Mind you, this is all here say of course. |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 08:45 - Jun 24 with 1492 views | Lesta_Tractor |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 11:40 - Jun 23 by BlueBadger |
As someone said here, Cameron is Hurst to May's Lambert.
Both rubbish but one left the other with a terrible hand to play with. |
So Gordon Brown = MM? |  |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 10:52 - Jun 24 with 1446 views | pickles110564 |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 19:57 - Jun 23 by BloomBlue |
Trouble for the Scots is if they want to join the EU after Brexit they'll have to use the Euro and that will result in a large increase in consumer costs as it did for every country that moved to the Euro. |
And a hard border between England and Scotland | | | |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 10:59 - Jun 24 with 1437 views | Herbivore |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 10:52 - Jun 24 by pickles110564 |
And a hard border between England and Scotland |
Only if we leave without a deal, which we won't because it's undemocratic and would be a disaster. | |
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| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 11:01 - Jun 24 with 1433 views | ITFC_Forever |
| 3 years today since that bloody referendum on 10:59 - Jun 24 by Herbivore |
Only if we leave without a deal, which we won't because it's undemocratic and would be a disaster. |
I don't think minor details like that will stop it.... |  |
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