| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' 08:39 - Jul 25 with 53189 views | m14_blue |
Someone used this term on another thread and it really resonated with me.
It's always fascinated and mystified me how 'normal' Germans allowed the Nazis to perpetrate such evil but the exact same phenomenon is happening in the West at the moment, with 'the left' the new bogeyman.
Now, I'm not saying this will end the same way but the modus operandi is identical. They have control of the overwhelming majority of the printed media and have launched a relentless, vicious assault on the free press that present a balanced, or left leaning, view (the BBC, Channel 4, CNN etc).
You can see the evidence on this very site. There have always been a few far right English Nationalists but there are many who would consider themselves (and I would previously to have considered) to be normal people, decent people, who have been poisoned. They now spout nothing but hatred and bile, throwing around phrases such as 'Enemy of the people', 'traitor', 'treason' whilst being totally unable to explain why.
I challenge anyone to read the below text and deny the parallels. Scary times.
'Men like me were the greater offenders, not because we knew better (that would be too much to say) but because we sensed better. Pastor Niemöller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something–but then it was too late."
One doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?–Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
You speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’
And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, the believers intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.
And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in–your nation, your people–is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed.'
It's time for the liberal (small L) majority in this great country to unite and speak out against the rise of the right. We must not be cowed into silent compliance or things will continue to deteriorate until it is too late. [Post edited 25 Jul 2019 8:43]
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:38 - Aug 5 with 1295 views | SpruceMoose |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:35 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
And you lot never gang up on anyone at all? |
Things have got so bad that a few of us are looking into the possibility of a deploying a groundbreaking and gamechanging, Virtual Restraining Order against you. A VRO (also known as an Internet Injunction), is being considered thanks to your relentless harassment, and if issued you will be unable to come withing 50 web pages of anyone listed in the complaint, and specifically banned from visiting web pages with a co.uk suffix.
In addition you will have to go to your local police station once a week so forensic experts can check your internet history to ensure compliance.
I'm sorry it has come to this but you were warned. [Post edited 5 Aug 2019 14:41]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:39 - Aug 5 with 1292 views | SpruceMoose |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:35 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
And you lot never gang up on anyone at all? |
Just bigots and hateful folk. Consider us the allies against the Nazis. Nobody ever called Churchill a bully. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:40 - Aug 5 with 1285 views | footers |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:35 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
And you lot never gang up on anyone at all? |
Oh, so you're admitting to this conspiracy now? Bold move to reveal yourself as one of its architects.
A smear campaign. Nothing more, nothing less. |  |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:40 - Aug 5 with 1284 views | SpruceMoose |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:36 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
Who are you trying to get banned? |
A list will be published over the coming days. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:40 - Aug 5 with 1277 views | 26_Paz |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:38 - Aug 5 by SpruceMoose |
Things have got so bad that a few of us are looking into the possibility of a deploying a groundbreaking and gamechanging, Virtual Restraining Order against you. A VRO (also known as an Internet Injunction), is being considered thanks to your relentless harassment, and if issued you will be unable to come withing 50 web pages of anyone listed in the complaint, and specifically banned from visiting web pages with a co.uk suffix.
In addition you will have to go to your local police station once a week so forensic experts can check your internet history to ensure compliance.
I'm sorry it has come to this but you were warned. [Post edited 5 Aug 2019 14:41]
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Yeah, good luck with that ... |  |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:43 - Aug 5 with 1264 views | SpruceMoose |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:40 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
Yeah, good luck with that ... |
Footers, log this message in as evidence please, file number A4R- 034. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:45 - Aug 5 with 1256 views | 26_Paz |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:43 - Aug 5 by SpruceMoose |
Footers, log this message in as evidence please, file number A4R- 034. |
I've wished you good luck in your endeavours ... I know you're joking! | |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:46 - Aug 5 with 1248 views | SpruceMoose |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:45 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
I've wished you good luck in your endeavours ... I know you're joking! |
Not joking in the slightest.
Footers, file it away - A4R- 035. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:48 - Aug 5 with 1238 views | 26_Paz |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:46 - Aug 5 by SpruceMoose |
Not joking in the slightest.
Footers, file it away - A4R- 035. |
It was only last week you were saying I didn't deserve to be banned now I'm some kind of cyber super criminal ... | |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:48 - Aug 5 with 1238 views | Herbivore |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:34 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
You implied that Boris lacks legitimacy as he has not won a GE as leader. This shows a lack of understanding for the workings of a parliamentary democracy. |
Seems Boris himself is a little confused on this point too: https://fullfact.org/online/boris-johnson-gordon-brown/ |  |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:49 - Aug 5 with 1227 views | 26_Paz |
Unfortunately under the terms of a VRO I am unable to respond to this! | |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:51 - Aug 5 with 1217 views | Herbivore |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:49 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
Unfortunately under the terms of a VRO I am unable to respond to this! |
I'm not involved in the VRO mate, so feel free. | |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:52 - Aug 5 with 1211 views | SpruceMoose |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:48 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
It was only last week you were saying I didn't deserve to be banned now I'm some kind of cyber super criminal ... |
A4R- 036.
You have continued your libelous claims that I am a mafia member, a bully and running some kind of black market banning ring. I wanted to give yourself a chance, but you've let me down.
As I am a generous and kind person at heart, I would be willing to talk to Footers about an out of court settlement, should a few guarantees from you be issued. [Post edited 5 Aug 2019 14:53]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:54 - Aug 5 with 1200 views | 26_Paz |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:51 - Aug 5 by Herbivore |
I'm not involved in the VRO mate, so feel free. |
Something of a short sighted own goal from him that, can't really argue this one! | |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:54 - Aug 5 with 1197 views | 26_Paz |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:52 - Aug 5 by SpruceMoose |
A4R- 036.
You have continued your libelous claims that I am a mafia member, a bully and running some kind of black market banning ring. I wanted to give yourself a chance, but you've let me down.
As I am a generous and kind person at heart, I would be willing to talk to Footers about an out of court settlement, should a few guarantees from you be issued. [Post edited 5 Aug 2019 14:53]
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State your terms. | |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:55 - Aug 5 with 1191 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:34 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
You implied that Boris lacks legitimacy as he has not won a GE as leader. This shows a lack of understanding for the workings of a parliamentary democracy. |
Neither stated nor even implied that at all.
I said his election was democratic. I used this to demonstrate that generally democratic decisions can be changed … democratically.
Care to answer the questions you are dodging:
Why is it OK for some democratic decisions to get changed and not others?
Which is more important, the dignity of not naming a research vessel "Boaty McBoatface" or the livelihood of the vast majority of people in this country?
Why do you fear not leaving the EU so much? What is it you are going to gain personally? |  |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:56 - Aug 5 with 1188 views | SpruceMoose |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:54 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
State your terms. |
The class again lawsuit members would feel more comfortable feeling your intentions were genuine if you were able to present us with an opening offer. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:56 - Aug 5 with 1183 views | Herbivore |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:54 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
Something of a short sighted own goal from him that, can't really argue this one! |
Fair play to you, Pazzer. No point in trying to defend the indefensible.
Bally, might be worth you noting that the quote from Boris and his own subsequent refusal to hold a GE is what hypocrisy actually looks like. I find sometimes people learn best when given examples. | |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:57 - Aug 5 with 1176 views | footers |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:52 - Aug 5 by SpruceMoose |
A4R- 036.
You have continued your libelous claims that I am a mafia member, a bully and running some kind of black market banning ring. I wanted to give yourself a chance, but you've let me down.
As I am a generous and kind person at heart, I would be willing to talk to Footers about an out of court settlement, should a few guarantees from you be issued. [Post edited 5 Aug 2019 14:53]
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Filed previous posts.
I think we should discuss this via PM. Although a large cash settlement is indeed tempting, I think this is more of a moral, judicial case that should be dealt with properly by the relevant internet courts.
Will PM further thoughts. | |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:58 - Aug 5 with 1164 views | SpruceMoose |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:57 - Aug 5 by footers |
Filed previous posts.
I think we should discuss this via PM. Although a large cash settlement is indeed tempting, I think this is more of a moral, judicial case that should be dealt with properly by the relevant internet courts.
Will PM further thoughts. |
Whatsapp me, that way the other members can give us their thoughts. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:58 - Aug 5 with 1159 views | J2BLUE |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:54 - Aug 5 by 26_Paz |
State your terms. |
Don't agree to anything. Sparks will represent you. You'll have the shirts off their backs within an hour. |  |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:59 - Aug 5 with 1154 views | footers |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:58 - Aug 5 by J2BLUE |
Don't agree to anything. Sparks will represent you. You'll have the shirts off their backs within an hour. |
Another conspirator. | |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:59 - Aug 5 with 1152 views | SpruceMoose |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:58 - Aug 5 by J2BLUE |
Don't agree to anything. Sparks will represent you. You'll have the shirts off their backs within an hour. |
We have Guthers. Bring it. | |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 15:00 - Aug 5 with 1148 views | Herbivore |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:57 - Aug 5 by footers |
Filed previous posts.
I think we should discuss this via PM. Although a large cash settlement is indeed tempting, I think this is more of a moral, judicial case that should be dealt with properly by the relevant internet courts.
Will PM further thoughts. |
I'd like in on this lads. A certain poster has called me a hypocrite and a bigot today without offering any evidence of hypocrisy or bigotry. It's not acceptable and I think I need take this further. | |
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| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 15:00 - Aug 5 with 1145 views | J2BLUE |
| 'Sleepwalking into Fascism' on 14:59 - Aug 5 by SpruceMoose |
We have Guthers. Bring it. |
Doubt it. | |
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