| Windfall sell on fees 10:44 - Aug 5 with 3835 views | Harlestonblue |
I used to get really excited when we received a large sell on fee for one of our ex players. It was like an unexpected windfall, a lottery win, a bonanza. An unexpected bonus if you like. There have been a few of those this summer and we will receive a lot more than I expected , however if we hadn't sold them in the first place we would have received even higher sums. Webster in particular.
My point is that I can't really get excited now at all because we know the money will not be invested in new players at all, so where is the benefit or advantage for the manager, team and fans? |  | | |  |
| Windfall sell on fees on 10:46 - Aug 5 with 2623 views | itfcjoe |
It's the same for any transfer fees - it used to be exciting to see how they would be reinvested. Now as fans it just means you missing out on seeing a top player and the team is weaker |  |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 10:48 - Aug 5 with 2615 views | chicoazul |
We are using the windfall money to pay off the outstanding balances on the Nolan Nsiala Donacien and Jackson fees, I am sure of this. |  |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 10:48 - Aug 5 with 2602 views | fergalsharkey |
this has been the case since Evans arrived, how has it taken this long for you to realise??
Some people. |  |
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| I don't think this has been discussed yet (n/t) on 10:49 - Aug 5 with 2590 views | Dyland |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 10:50 - Aug 5 with 2592 views | Metal_Hacker |
It's where we are now I guess under ME
I saw a thread the other day banging on abut asset stripping and someone else arguing against the fact.
Really not sure what I'd call it but........ |  |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 10:56 - Aug 5 with 2556 views | gmanrom |
| Windfall sell on fees on 10:48 - Aug 5 by chicoazul |
We are using the windfall money to pay off the outstanding balances on the Nolan Nsiala Donacien and Jackson fees, I am sure of this. |
So if we are using this money to pay the payments on last seasons purchases then what happened to the waghorn cash? |  |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 11:08 - Aug 5 with 2518 views | braveblue |
| Windfall sell on fees on 10:48 - Aug 5 by chicoazul |
We are using the windfall money to pay off the outstanding balances on the Nolan Nsiala Donacien and Jackson fees, I am sure of this. |
If that is right then Evans made an even bigger profit last summer than we thought. | | | |
| Evans used that to pay..... on 11:12 - Aug 5 with 2499 views | Bloots |
| Windfall sell on fees on 10:56 - Aug 5 by gmanrom |
So if we are using this money to pay the payments on last seasons purchases then what happened to the waghorn cash? |
....the balances on Leadbitter, Edwards and Martin.
Def info. |  |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 11:14 - Aug 5 with 2514 views | PhilTWTD |
| Windfall sell on fees on 10:48 - Aug 5 by chicoazul |
We are using the windfall money to pay off the outstanding balances on the Nolan Nsiala Donacien and Jackson fees, I am sure of this. |
There may well be outstanding balances on deals - and I assume that was what PL meant about the Harrison deal on Friday and Town will of course be similarly owed cash from sales - but given the club has made losses of £6m plus a year in recent seasons, will probably have made an even bigger loss last season given the wages which were paid out to loan players in the second half of last season, and has a reduction in income of £9 million this season, it's not really a surprise that any incoming cash is being used to reduce what's likely to still be a very significant shortfall which otherwise the owner will have to make up.
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| Windfall sell on fees on 11:15 - Aug 5 with 2491 views | PhilTWTD |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:08 - Aug 5 by braveblue |
If that is right then Evans made an even bigger profit last summer than we thought. |
I don't think anyone seriously believes ME makes a profit, do they? | | | |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:16 - Aug 5 with 2482 views | Bluefish |
Not really sure why this is so difficult to understand for everyone. Yes we might not be able to spend the money but we might be able to hang on to a current player opposed to being forced to sell to try and get closer to balancing the books. Why do football supporters have so little financial perspective? |  |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 11:20 - Aug 5 with 2442 views | gmanrom |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:15 - Aug 5 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think anyone seriously believes ME makes a profit, do they? |
No way he makes a profit, but surely no one buys a club expecting to make profit!! End of the day Marcus Evans starving the club for so long ultimately cost the club it's championship status, so it is his fault that he has lost even more this year. The longer we are down here the more it will cost him and the more we will go into decline. The money from sell on fees are obviously not planned for and of he had any sense he would give it to the manager to use sensibly. | |
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| Yes... yes they do on 11:24 - Aug 5 with 2404 views | Dyland |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:15 - Aug 5 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think anyone seriously believes ME makes a profit, do they? |
As bizarre as that is.
One can criticise MEG's tenure very easily, without living in cloud cuckoo land. But there we have it. Folk, huh? | |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 11:26 - Aug 5 with 2398 views | chicoazul |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:14 - Aug 5 by PhilTWTD |
There may well be outstanding balances on deals - and I assume that was what PL meant about the Harrison deal on Friday and Town will of course be similarly owed cash from sales - but given the club has made losses of £6m plus a year in recent seasons, will probably have made an even bigger loss last season given the wages which were paid out to loan players in the second half of last season, and has a reduction in income of £9 million this season, it's not really a surprise that any incoming cash is being used to reduce what's likely to still be a very significant shortfall which otherwise the owner will have to make up.
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Well he should make it up then given it's his litany of mad stupid decisions that got us into this mess. | |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 11:27 - Aug 5 with 2395 views | PhilTWTD |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:20 - Aug 5 by gmanrom |
No way he makes a profit, but surely no one buys a club expecting to make profit!! End of the day Marcus Evans starving the club for so long ultimately cost the club it's championship status, so it is his fault that he has lost even more this year. The longer we are down here the more it will cost him and the more we will go into decline. The money from sell on fees are obviously not planned for and of he had any sense he would give it to the manager to use sensibly. |
No, and I'm sure he didn't, other than following promotion to the Premier League, which was obviously the plan when he came in. The Championship moved on around us and I think the reality is he simply doesn't have the cash to compete at the top level in that league any more, and that, coupled with a poor managerial appointment, led to relegation.
Not sure it's a case of ME starving the club so much as him funding it as much as he feels he can, more money has been injected in his years at the club than at any point in its history, the problem is a lot more is being injected elsewhere now.
Ultimately, as has been the case for a while, it's difficult to see what his motivation is now. I'd have thought he'd have cut his losses, although someone suggested to me he has a determination to get things right here, which is admirable but I'm not sure possible given the current financial limitations. | | | |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:29 - Aug 5 with 2375 views | hoppy |
What is most galling is the vast increase in their 'value' in such a short space of time from when they've left the club and then us only getting a small percentage of that full fee.
I still get annoyed at selling Dalian Atkinson for £450K and Sheffield Wednesday selling him on only a year later for £1.7m or something like that. |  |
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| Einstein had it right..... on 11:31 - Aug 5 with 2366 views | Bloots |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:27 - Aug 5 by PhilTWTD |
No, and I'm sure he didn't, other than following promotion to the Premier League, which was obviously the plan when he came in. The Championship moved on around us and I think the reality is he simply doesn't have the cash to compete at the top level in that league any more, and that, coupled with a poor managerial appointment, led to relegation.
Not sure it's a case of ME starving the club so much as him funding it as much as he feels he can, more money has been injected in his years at the club than at any point in its history, the problem is a lot more is being injected elsewhere now.
Ultimately, as has been the case for a while, it's difficult to see what his motivation is now. I'd have thought he'd have cut his losses, although someone suggested to me he has a determination to get things right here, which is admirable but I'm not sure possible given the current financial limitations. |
.....when he said:
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"
(he probably didn't say it, but someone did.) | |
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| Einstein had it right..... on 11:32 - Aug 5 with 2360 views | PhilTWTD |
| Einstein had it right..... on 11:31 - Aug 5 by Bloots |
.....when he said:
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"
(he probably didn't say it, but someone did.) |
That was one of Roy Keane's favourite quotes. | | | |
| Unfortunately that's a result.... on 11:37 - Aug 5 with 2326 views | Bloots |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:29 - Aug 5 by hoppy |
What is most galling is the vast increase in their 'value' in such a short space of time from when they've left the club and then us only getting a small percentage of that full fee.
I still get annoyed at selling Dalian Atkinson for £450K and Sheffield Wednesday selling him on only a year later for £1.7m or something like that. |
.....of our utter desperation to sell.
Clubs know it and undoubtedly use it to their advantage.
We sell players so cheap and so easily that it's worth clubs "taking a punt" on them.
The situation with Dozzell will be interesting.
If a lower end Prem club (or indeed a top end Champ club) offered us £6/7/8M we'd probably snap their hand off. But it's nothing to them, they'll either get a player they can develop further and flog for £30M or they'll just flog him for £6/7/8M when they get relegated (or fail to get promoted) and let someone else have a go at increasing his value.
Our issue is that we aren't in the market for players that are ready to be sold for £30M, because they cost £5M in the first place. | |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 11:38 - Aug 5 with 2312 views | Bluefish |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:15 - Aug 5 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think anyone seriously believes ME makes a profit, do they? |
Why else would they sing that he is a c*** during a match? | |
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| And he'd know. (n/t) on 11:39 - Aug 5 with 2306 views | Bloots |
| Einstein had it right..... on 11:32 - Aug 5 by PhilTWTD |
That was one of Roy Keane's favourite quotes. |
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| And he'd know. (n/t) on 11:40 - Aug 5 with 2295 views | Bluefish |
| And he'd know. (n/t) on 11:39 - Aug 5 by Bloots |
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Probably why he picked a random different team every week | |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 11:42 - Aug 5 with 2296 views | Barneycurley |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:26 - Aug 5 by chicoazul |
Well he should make it up then given it's his litany of mad stupid decisions that got us into this mess. |
Agree 100% It's his baby and just because of his bad decisions we find ourselves here. He's got this club by on the bare minimum for a long time.
The old boy has lost his bottle! |  |
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| Windfall sell on fees on 11:45 - Aug 5 with 2287 views | Barneycurley |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:38 - Aug 5 by Bluefish |
Why else would they sing that he is a c*** during a match? |
Frustration! | |
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| Lollers on 11:45 - Aug 5 with 2280 views | Dyland |
| Windfall sell on fees on 11:42 - Aug 5 by Barneycurley |
Agree 100% It's his baby and just because of his bad decisions we find ourselves here. He's got this club by on the bare minimum for a long time.
The old boy has lost his bottle! |
And back in the real world.... ;)
Windfall sell on fees by PhilTWTD 5 Aug 2019 11:27No, and I'm sure he didn't, other than following promotion to the Premier League, which was obviously the plan when he came in. The Championship moved on around us and I think the reality is he simply doesn't have the cash to compete at the top level in that league any more, and that, coupled with a poor managerial appointment, led to relegation.
Not sure it's a case of ME starving the club so much as him funding it as much as he feels he can, more money has been injected in his years at the club than at any point in its history, the problem is a lot more is being injected elsewhere now.
Ultimately, as has been the case for a while, it's difficult to see what his motivation is now. I'd have thought he'd have cut his losses, although someone suggested to me he has a determination to get things right here, which is admirable but I'm not sure possible given the current financial limitations.
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