| Veganuary 2020 12:16 - Jan 4 with 21087 views | J2BLUE |
Lets try and keep this civil people. The meat eaters versus vegans thing has been done to death. Most of the board have nothing new to add. If you feel compelled to reply telling us how you're knee deep in chicken wings that is entirely your choice.
Anyone doing it? Just tried the new Costa vegan 'cheese' and 'ham' toastie. I hope they keep it. It's good enough to for me to choose regularly.
Any decent product suggestions? Recipe ideas? etc [Post edited 5 Jan 2020 13:41]
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| Veganuary 2019 on 12:44 - Jan 6 with 796 views | Herbivore |
| Veganuary 2019 on 12:39 - Jan 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Again though - not ‘entirely insurmountable’ is somewhat different to it being easy, which remains the point that I was making |
I'd say relatively easy is fair. It's really not difficult. You may say yeah but you don't have kids so you don't know, well you've not gone vegan (and don't intend to) which means you equally don't know an important part of the equation either. |  |
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| Veganuary 2020 on 12:47 - Jan 6 with 784 views | monytowbray |
| Veganuary 2020 on 12:42 - Jan 6 by Reuser_is_God |
Was a sensible thread actually, then Callis got involved. |
What did I do? |  |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 12:48 - Jan 6 with 783 views | Herbivore |
| Veganuary 2019 on 12:44 - Jan 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Will have to give it a whirl - have noticed some of the plant based stuff in Sainsbury’s too that to the eye looks like mince and was intrigued as to how it tastes cooked. Haven’t yet taken the plunge
Similarly I’ve been meaning to try the vegan stack from TFI Vegan for a while but on the rare occasions I’m buying lunch in town I’m invariably drawn to either the Philippines stand or the goat curry. That’s more to do with rarely fancying a burger for lunch mind you
Again though at the risk of sounding like a stuck record - the substitute options aren’t generally that cheap in most supermarkets, and trial and error to find stuff that you like is quite obviously much easier for an individual or open minded couple than your average family dynamic |
I much prefer Sainsburys veggie mince to Quorn mince. | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 12:48 - Jan 6 with 782 views | monytowbray |
| Veganuary 2019 on 12:38 - Jan 6 by Lord_Lucan |
Why would anyone force feed a 2 year old a vegan diet? I would look at it the same way as I look at religion. I didn’t have my kids Chrisened as I thought when they are old enough they can decide themselves what God they want to follow if they decide to.
Bunch of arse. |
Why would you force a child to eat animals? | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 12:52 - Jan 6 with 770 views | NewcyBlue |
| Veganuary 2019 on 12:48 - Jan 6 by monytowbray |
Why would you force a child to eat animals? |
I don’t. The option is there. There will always be veg on the table too. |  |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 12:56 - Jan 6 with 760 views | monytowbray |
| Veganuary 2019 on 12:52 - Jan 6 by NewcyBlue |
I don’t. The option is there. There will always be veg on the table too. |
Really everything is forced on a child though. Children don’t have free will.
And the comparison to religion, not even going to start on that considering the evidence available as to why veganism is based in facts. | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 12:57 - Jan 6 with 757 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Veganuary 2019 on 12:44 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
I'd say relatively easy is fair. It's really not difficult. You may say yeah but you don't have kids so you don't know, well you've not gone vegan (and don't intend to) which means you equally don't know an important part of the equation either. |
I would argue that actually having children and understanding the dynamics of feeding a family, and therefore what changes I would need to make to suddenly make all my meals vegan, and how that would impact on others is a rather more important part of this particular equation though, but there you go |  |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 12:57 - Jan 6 with 752 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Veganuary 2019 on 12:48 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
I much prefer Sainsburys veggie mince to Quorn mince. |
That’s me persuaded - will report back at some point | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 12:59 - Jan 6 with 749 views | NewcyBlue |
| Veganuary 2019 on 12:56 - Jan 6 by monytowbray |
Really everything is forced on a child though. Children don’t have free will.
And the comparison to religion, not even going to start on that considering the evidence available as to why veganism is based in facts. |
Seb only started eating meat a couple of years ago.
He has plenty of free will. He is never forced to eat meat. It’s an option.
He gets choices of what to eat. He makes a choice.
I adapt dishes for him. Dishes I am already making. | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 13:00 - Jan 6 with 742 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Veganuary 2019 on 12:56 - Jan 6 by monytowbray |
Really everything is forced on a child though. Children don’t have free will.
And the comparison to religion, not even going to start on that considering the evidence available as to why veganism is based in facts. |
Very small babies to a point when you’re spooning them food, although they’ll soon turn away if they don’t like it
However toddlers in my experience tend to have a plate of food put in front of them and eat the bits they like, so the choice is absolutely there
Obviously they don’t have free will in the sense of being able to make up exactly what they want - but then most adults don’t really either when you factor in time/cost/convenience etc | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 13:01 - Jan 6 with 739 views | Herbivore |
| Veganuary 2019 on 12:57 - Jan 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I would argue that actually having children and understanding the dynamics of feeding a family, and therefore what changes I would need to make to suddenly make all my meals vegan, and how that would impact on others is a rather more important part of this particular equation though, but there you go |
I would disagree. You're simply privileging your own experience in order to make your point. Plus underpinning all this is the key fact you have no motivation to go vegan and so no reason to think expending any real effort would be worthwhile. [Post edited 6 Jan 2020 13:02]
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| Veganuary 2019 on 13:06 - Jan 6 with 726 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Veganuary 2019 on 13:01 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
I would disagree. You're simply privileging your own experience in order to make your point. Plus underpinning all this is the key fact you have no motivation to go vegan and so no reason to think expending any real effort would be worthwhile. [Post edited 6 Jan 2020 13:02]
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‘Expending any real effort’
That’s exactly the point. Callis’ argument was that it was easy to do - I’m simply arguing that it isn’t for a lot of people
My own circumstances are actually a lot easier than others would be in that I have a wife who is already halfway there and my one child still at an age where they are relatively malleable - for a typically 2 child family where the children are a bit older it will plainly be a lot more difficult | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 13:09 - Jan 6 with 718 views | monytowbray |
| Veganuary 2019 on 13:06 - Jan 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
‘Expending any real effort’
That’s exactly the point. Callis’ argument was that it was easy to do - I’m simply arguing that it isn’t for a lot of people
My own circumstances are actually a lot easier than others would be in that I have a wife who is already halfway there and my one child still at an age where they are relatively malleable - for a typically 2 child family where the children are a bit older it will plainly be a lot more difficult |
As I said earlier, give it a go and I’m sure you’d be surprised. | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 13:09 - Jan 6 with 715 views | Herbivore |
| Veganuary 2019 on 13:06 - Jan 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
‘Expending any real effort’
That’s exactly the point. Callis’ argument was that it was easy to do - I’m simply arguing that it isn’t for a lot of people
My own circumstances are actually a lot easier than others would be in that I have a wife who is already halfway there and my one child still at an age where they are relatively malleable - for a typically 2 child family where the children are a bit older it will plainly be a lot more difficult |
I guess it depends on your definition of easy really. If you are equating it with zero effort then no, it's not easy. If you think a relatively small amount of planning and a bit of trial and error is easy then yes, it is easy. As Callis also said, phasing it in rather than changing overnight also makes it significantly easier. Small changes like moving to plant-based milk require no real effort at all. | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 13:12 - Jan 6 with 712 views | monytowbray |
| Veganuary 2019 on 13:09 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
I guess it depends on your definition of easy really. If you are equating it with zero effort then no, it's not easy. If you think a relatively small amount of planning and a bit of trial and error is easy then yes, it is easy. As Callis also said, phasing it in rather than changing overnight also makes it significantly easier. Small changes like moving to plant-based milk require no real effort at all. |
Experiment. You don’t even need to tell the kids. Two nights a week.
It’s my advice for going vegan and improving your sex life. | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 13:25 - Jan 6 with 701 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Veganuary 2019 on 13:09 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
I guess it depends on your definition of easy really. If you are equating it with zero effort then no, it's not easy. If you think a relatively small amount of planning and a bit of trial and error is easy then yes, it is easy. As Callis also said, phasing it in rather than changing overnight also makes it significantly easier. Small changes like moving to plant-based milk require no real effort at all. |
My definition of easy is easy - not having to make significant wider lifestyle changes in terms of shopping habits, planning, finding time to make two dinners instead of one most nights not to mention any replacements etc if it turns out the vegan trial hasn’t hit the spot
On the latter bit I use almond milk in some things and absolutely prefer it - although would point out it’s much more expensive than normal milk... | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 13:29 - Jan 6 with 691 views | Herbivore |
| Veganuary 2019 on 13:25 - Jan 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
My definition of easy is easy - not having to make significant wider lifestyle changes in terms of shopping habits, planning, finding time to make two dinners instead of one most nights not to mention any replacements etc if it turns out the vegan trial hasn’t hit the spot
On the latter bit I use almond milk in some things and absolutely prefer it - although would point out it’s much more expensive than normal milk... |
Why the assumption you'd always have to make two meals and not one? | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 13:36 - Jan 6 with 680 views | Funge |
| Veganuary 2019 on 12:09 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
Maybe you need to employ a bit of tough love. |
Good luck with that, btw.... |  | | |
| Veganuary 2019 on 13:45 - Jan 6 with 672 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Veganuary 2019 on 13:29 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
Why the assumption you'd always have to make two meals and not one? |
Because as per some of the dishes already mentioned, I know that a large number of the meals we typically eat have either meat or dairy products cooked into the dish, so not something that can just be added at the end
Which rather leads back to the point about actually being a parent etc making you better placed to judge how easy it is to cut meat/dairy from your diet, than someone who has managed to do it under a completely different set of circumstances [Post edited 6 Jan 2020 13:46]
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| Veganuary 2019 on 13:49 - Jan 6 with 667 views | Herbivore |
| Veganuary 2019 on 13:45 - Jan 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Because as per some of the dishes already mentioned, I know that a large number of the meals we typically eat have either meat or dairy products cooked into the dish, so not something that can just be added at the end
Which rather leads back to the point about actually being a parent etc making you better placed to judge how easy it is to cut meat/dairy from your diet, than someone who has managed to do it under a completely different set of circumstances [Post edited 6 Jan 2020 13:46]
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Then try different things, use different replacements. Phase things in, phase things out. I think you see it as a big effort because it's not something you really want to do. | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 13:59 - Jan 6 with 660 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Veganuary 2019 on 13:49 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
Then try different things, use different replacements. Phase things in, phase things out. I think you see it as a big effort because it's not something you really want to do. |
I see it as a big effort because it’s quite clearly a big effort that would require significant lifestyle changes, as repeatedly illustrated
Whether or not I want to do it is irrelevant - that just determines whether it’s a big effort I’m willing to make or not | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 14:02 - Jan 6 with 652 views | Herbivore |
| Veganuary 2019 on 13:59 - Jan 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I see it as a big effort because it’s quite clearly a big effort that would require significant lifestyle changes, as repeatedly illustrated
Whether or not I want to do it is irrelevant - that just determines whether it’s a big effort I’m willing to make or not |
Agree to disagree, there's not much point in this ongoing back and forth. | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 14:04 - Jan 6 with 650 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Veganuary 2019 on 14:02 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
Agree to disagree, there's not much point in this ongoing back and forth. |
Agreed! | |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 14:08 - Jan 6 with 641 views | Ryorry |
| Veganuary 2019 on 11:37 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
They are currently all small producers and demand is starting to grow quicker than they can. I slightly prefer I Am Nut OK cheese to Tyne Chease, and they had similar issues with stock over Christmas. It's still largely an artisan product. |
I get that, but they could easily have managed it much better by simply asking people to complete an order form, and then fulfilling those in date order.
Looked at 'I am nut OK', but unfortunately they all contain ingredients that I'm allergic to (coconut - and is lactic acid actually vegan?). There was no ingredients list for the 'fig salami' (fig are the one fruit I can eat!) so have emailed to ask them for that.
Anyway, Tyne Chease are now back in production (albeit with the notice that "Due to an issue with a piece of production equipment, any orders placed between 1st January 2020 and 5pm on the 10 January 2020 will unfortunately not be dispatched until Monday 13th January) so thanks to Newcy & yourself for the reminder to try again! |  |
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| Veganuary 2019 on 14:12 - Jan 6 with 628 views | eireblue |
| Veganuary 2019 on 14:08 - Jan 6 by Ryorry |
I get that, but they could easily have managed it much better by simply asking people to complete an order form, and then fulfilling those in date order.
Looked at 'I am nut OK', but unfortunately they all contain ingredients that I'm allergic to (coconut - and is lactic acid actually vegan?). There was no ingredients list for the 'fig salami' (fig are the one fruit I can eat!) so have emailed to ask them for that.
Anyway, Tyne Chease are now back in production (albeit with the notice that "Due to an issue with a piece of production equipment, any orders placed between 1st January 2020 and 5pm on the 10 January 2020 will unfortunately not be dispatched until Monday 13th January) so thanks to Newcy & yourself for the reminder to try again! |
Lactic acid <> lactose.
Yes it is vegan. |  | | |
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