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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader 12:49 - Jan 16 with 11995 viewsGlasgowBlue

Discuss.

For me she ticks all of the right boxes to cover all wings of the party.

Not Blairite whilst but soft left so no Corbyn connection.

No tolerance of antisemitism in the Labour Party whilst at the same time is the Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine.

Good with the media. Actually got the better of Andrew Neil last night.

Very honest. Would eat Boris for dinner at PMQ’s.

Oh and she could be the first female elected as Labour leader.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:23 - Jan 17 by footers

You realise that picture was taken at the Labour conference's meeting on Palestine? You know, where they discuss Palestine.


Why do they need to be waving flags to have a discussion about it?

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Why do they need to be waving flags to have a discussion about it?


Why are there Ipswich Town banners at Portman Road? You're only there to watch the game.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:29 - Jan 17 with 1170 viewsDarth_Koont

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:04 - Jan 17 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

There’s not much point doing this again as it’s clearly akin to banging my head against a wall, but winning is absolutely first and foremost what politics is about, as without doing so everything else you’ve listed is impossible


First but not foremost.

If your purpose is "electability" then you're not doing the job you're actually elected to do.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:39 - Jan 17 with 1137 viewsDarth_Koont

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Obviously it’s not accurate to say the whole Labour Party despises the working classes, however one only needs to take a cursory glance as any social media forum to see the attitudes a certain very vocal wing of the party has towards these people. See comments from the likes of Footers on here for a start
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So you think Thornberry is making a statement about the working class based on the statement she thinks that flag fetishist is making at the time of a by-election?

Can you please fill in the massive gaps?

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:52 - Jan 17 with 1119 viewsDarth_Koont

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:25 - Jan 17 by itfcjoe

Why do they need to be waving flags to have a discussion about it?


Because it's rightly about solidarity with the Palestinian people.

Something our establishment politicians tend to ignore for their own personal political benefit.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:04 - Jan 17 with 1100 viewsGaryCooper

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 08:57 - Jan 17 by Darth_Koont

Any evidence for that?

Or just what you'd like to believe?


Clearly 'what you believe' is the new line of attack from those who still fail to understand who the electorate can be so wrong.
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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:07 - Jan 17 with 1088 viewsDarth_Koont

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:04 - Jan 17 by GaryCooper

Clearly 'what you believe' is the new line of attack from those who still fail to understand who the electorate can be so wrong.


That's not an answer. It's a wriggle.

I'll repeat: What's the evidence for your assertion that Labour despises the working class?

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:21 - Jan 17 with 1056 viewsGlasgowBlue

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:23 - Jan 17 by footers

You realise that picture was taken at the Labour conference's meeting on Palestine? You know, where they discuss Palestine.


Which they prioritised over the NHS and Brexit.

I don’t recall seeing similar scenes displaying the flags of the Uyghurs or Rohingyas.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:28 - Jan 17 with 1040 viewsDarth_Koont

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:21 - Jan 17 by GlasgowBlue

Which they prioritised over the NHS and Brexit.

I don’t recall seeing similar scenes displaying the flags of the Uyghurs or Rohingyas.


No, they didn't. Those were already on the agenda.

Why do you spend hundreds of hours a year obsessing over (and lying about) an opposition party's internal workings?

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Which they prioritised over the NHS and Brexit.

I don’t recall seeing similar scenes displaying the flags of the Uyghurs or Rohingyas.


One meeting at conference on Palestine means they prioritised Palestine over Brexit and the NHS... OK.

There were also meetings about those two issues as well. Whether there were flags I do not know.

Were they brought up at the Tory and Lib Dem conferences, do you know?

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No, they didn't. Those were already on the agenda.

Why do you spend hundreds of hours a year obsessing over (and lying about) an opposition party's internal workings?


You'd think that he'd be happy with the election result. No pleasing some people.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:34 - Jan 17 with 1022 viewsGlasgowBlue

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:28 - Jan 17 by Darth_Koont

No, they didn't. Those were already on the agenda.

Why do you spend hundreds of hours a year obsessing over (and lying about) an opposition party's internal workings?


Oh dear.

https://fullfact.org/online/labour-conference-palestine/

I look forward to your apology.
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Because it's rightly about solidarity with the Palestinian people.

Something our establishment politicians tend to ignore for their own personal political benefit.


not really a mainstream issue for the uk electorate. having a national party taken over by a clique that defines themselves by that over everything else has been a big problem. the anti-west, anti-us, anti-israel, anti-uk baggage which comes with that clique is a large party of the reason that voters were repulsed by it.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:49 - Jan 17 with 1002 viewsDarth_Koont

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:36 - Jan 17 by lowhouseblue

not really a mainstream issue for the uk electorate. having a national party taken over by a clique that defines themselves by that over everything else has been a big problem. the anti-west, anti-us, anti-israel, anti-uk baggage which comes with that clique is a large party of the reason that voters were repulsed by it.


It wasn't particularly a mainstream issue either for the Labour Party. Although it is a conflict that is a key issue in foreign relations.

Keep spinning your narrative though.
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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:52 - Jan 17 with 996 viewsDarth_Koont

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:34 - Jan 17 by GlasgowBlue

Oh dear.

https://fullfact.org/online/labour-conference-palestine/

I look forward to your apology.
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Oh dear indeed.

You should read your own sources.

"Unions have historically voted as a block to ensure certain topics get through, and signal what these topics will be, so CLPs and campaign groups tend to advise delegations to vote for four different topics to these. That is to ensure that a range of topics are debated (or sometimes that certain topics aren’t debated to avoid conflict). Although, as shown by the fact that Brexit came fifth in the CLP poll, not every CLP delegation follows the advice to vote for particular topics–they will also be swayed by, for example, decisions taken at local party meetings.

So members did vote to debate Palestine over the NHS, and because of trade union votes, Brexit was also added to the agenda–but voting among members doesn’t necessarily reflect what topics the CLPs feel are the highest priorities in general, but rather their priorities among topics that are not already likely to be debated."

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:52 - Jan 17 by Darth_Koont

Oh dear indeed.

You should read your own sources.

"Unions have historically voted as a block to ensure certain topics get through, and signal what these topics will be, so CLPs and campaign groups tend to advise delegations to vote for four different topics to these. That is to ensure that a range of topics are debated (or sometimes that certain topics aren’t debated to avoid conflict). Although, as shown by the fact that Brexit came fifth in the CLP poll, not every CLP delegation follows the advice to vote for particular topics–they will also be swayed by, for example, decisions taken at local party meetings.

So members did vote to debate Palestine over the NHS, and because of trade union votes, Brexit was also added to the agenda–but voting among members doesn’t necessarily reflect what topics the CLPs feel are the highest priorities in general, but rather their priorities among topics that are not already likely to be debated."


Both parts of the party, whatever the machinations, decided to debate Palestine over the NHS

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 12:04 - Jan 17 with 971 viewsGlasgowBlue

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 11:52 - Jan 17 by Darth_Koont

Oh dear indeed.

You should read your own sources.

"Unions have historically voted as a block to ensure certain topics get through, and signal what these topics will be, so CLPs and campaign groups tend to advise delegations to vote for four different topics to these. That is to ensure that a range of topics are debated (or sometimes that certain topics aren’t debated to avoid conflict). Although, as shown by the fact that Brexit came fifth in the CLP poll, not every CLP delegation follows the advice to vote for particular topics–they will also be swayed by, for example, decisions taken at local party meetings.

So members did vote to debate Palestine over the NHS, and because of trade union votes, Brexit was also added to the agenda–but voting among members doesn’t necessarily reflect what topics the CLPs feel are the highest priorities in general, but rather their priorities among topics that are not already likely to be debated."


GB: Labour prioritised a debate in Palestine over the NHS and Brexit.

Daft Koont: No they didn’t.

Full Fact: Labour members did vote to debate Palestine over the NHS and Brexit at the 2018 party Conference

You do make me chuckle koonters

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Both parts of the party, whatever the machinations, decided to debate Palestine over the NHS


Why is Labour so obsessed with Palestine? Why all the effort?
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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 12:21 - Jan 17 with 933 viewslowhouseblue

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 12:13 - Jan 17 by brazil1982

Why is Labour so obsessed with Palestine? Why all the effort?


because since the 1970s there has been a sect on the far left of politics that is obsessed about anti-imperialism, anti-america, anti-west and pro-palestine issues. for this clique that is their defining and bonding ideological issue - it is of far greater importance than any domestic policy issue. that was the sect that corbyn came from, and in the uk its latest manifestation had formed around stop the war and those groups (which corbyn chaired). those were the people who followed corbyn into the labour party when he became leader. the joke about caring more about the west bank than the north east is absolutely true of these people.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 12:31 - Jan 17 with 914 viewsDarth_Koont

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 12:04 - Jan 17 by GlasgowBlue

GB: Labour prioritised a debate in Palestine over the NHS and Brexit.

Daft Koont: No they didn’t.

Full Fact: Labour members did vote to debate Palestine over the NHS and Brexit at the 2018 party Conference

You do make me chuckle koonters


You really are lower than a snake's belly.

You know exactly the context but are disingenuously pretending otherwise.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 12:33 - Jan 17 with 909 viewsDarth_Koont

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 12:21 - Jan 17 by lowhouseblue

because since the 1970s there has been a sect on the far left of politics that is obsessed about anti-imperialism, anti-america, anti-west and pro-palestine issues. for this clique that is their defining and bonding ideological issue - it is of far greater importance than any domestic policy issue. that was the sect that corbyn came from, and in the uk its latest manifestation had formed around stop the war and those groups (which corbyn chaired). those were the people who followed corbyn into the labour party when he became leader. the joke about caring more about the west bank than the north east is absolutely true of these people.


They were the same with Apartheid too - the selfish, uncaring bastards.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 12:34 - Jan 17 with 904 viewsDarth_Koont

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 12:01 - Jan 17 by itfcjoe

Both parts of the party, whatever the machinations, decided to debate Palestine over the NHS


Joe, have a word.

The NHS and Brexit were always going to be on the agenda. Days were set aside for them, not one session.

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They were the same with Apartheid too - the selfish, uncaring bastards.


interestingly the anti-apartheid movement never got taken over by those nutters. it didn't have the same ideological attraction for them - they couldn't force it into their standard anti-american, anti-israel narrative.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 12:13 - Jan 17 by brazil1982

Why is Labour so obsessed with Palestine? Why all the effort?


I think it is an ultra lefty thing, it's just so far removed from the needs of the working class who they need to be a representative of

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 12:47 - Jan 17 with 873 viewsDarth_Koont

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interestingly the anti-apartheid movement never got taken over by those nutters. it didn't have the same ideological attraction for them - they couldn't force it into their standard anti-american, anti-israel narrative.


I think that's your narrative.

When it comes to the Middle East it's easy to be very critical of the US (and the UK too) as well as dismayed by the Israeli government's handling of it.

But sure, no doubt they just hate Americans and Jews ... especially the self-hating American Jews who are some of the most active.

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