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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader 12:49 - Jan 16 with 11991 viewsGlasgowBlue

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For me she ticks all of the right boxes to cover all wings of the party.

Not Blairite whilst but soft left so no Corbyn connection.

No tolerance of antisemitism in the Labour Party whilst at the same time is the Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine.

Good with the media. Actually got the better of Andrew Neil last night.

Very honest. Would eat Boris for dinner at PMQ’s.

Oh and she could be the first female elected as Labour leader.

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I think I'm going to vote for Nandy with Keir as second choice but will watch the debates before making my choice.

She reacted very well to getting an unfortunate endorsement the other day



Lisa Nandy is the candidate the new northern Tory MPs fear the most. RLB is a gift.

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I think I'm going to vote for Nandy with Keir as second choice but will watch the debates before making my choice.

She reacted very well to getting an unfortunate endorsement the other day



for me nandy and phillips one and two (not sure which way round yet), starmer 3, and that dreadful woman who's shadow foreign sec 4 (on the anyone but rlb basis).

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 16:05 - Jan 16 by GlasgowBlue

“ neutered centrist lapdogs”

I was stupid enough to vote against Blair for purely tribal reasons through the period he was Labour leader but you’d have to be more than tribal not to acknowledge things such as the Human Rights Act, the National Minimum Wage, Sure Start programme, record spending in the NHS & Tax Credits.

The question you have to ask yourself is who did more for the most vulnerable and needy in this country? Centrist Blair or pure uncompromising socialist Corbyn?
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He's right DK. Despite being more of a centre left person, I was behind Corbyn when it came to the GE as I believed him to be a better choice for PM than Boris. But even as someone on the left wing of the Labour party, surely you'd prefer a centre left government rather than a left wing opposition?

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for me nandy and phillips one and two (not sure which way round yet), starmer 3, and that dreadful woman who's shadow foreign sec 4 (on the anyone but rlb basis).


Nandy
Starmer
Phillips
Thornberry
RLB

... is my current order, with a big gap between 3rd and 4th. I actually quite like Thornberry but she'd never win an election.
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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 17:49 - Jan 16 with 3350 viewsDarth_Koont

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He's right DK. Despite being more of a centre left person, I was behind Corbyn when it came to the GE as I believed him to be a better choice for PM than Boris. But even as someone on the left wing of the Labour party, surely you'd prefer a centre left government rather than a left wing opposition?


Of course.

But I can still draw a direct line between New Labour and our slide to the right in this country. Brexit too while we're at it.

At some point, you've got to actually oppose that and promote a different direction of travel to provide a proper balance.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 18:02 - Jan 16 with 3329 viewslowhouseblue

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 17:49 - Jan 16 by Darth_Koont

Of course.

But I can still draw a direct line between New Labour and our slide to the right in this country. Brexit too while we're at it.

At some point, you've got to actually oppose that and promote a different direction of travel to provide a proper balance.


very happy for people to promote a different direction of travel. selling papers on the street corner, campaigning on social media, marching up and down with placards - i don't mind how they promote their direction of travel as long as they don't hijack the labour party and destroy it as a credible electoral force.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 18:24 - Jan 16 with 3303 viewseireblue

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 15:34 - Jan 16 by GlasgowBlue

Oh well. Labour may as well give up now then with that attitude.


What attitude? You had an opinion on an interview. Elements of the media have a completely different view.

It is the media’s view that matters.

You didn’t list any actual policies of Lisa that you liked.

Whilst people discuss media portrayed personalities and not competence, integrity and policy.

Then yep, the Labour Party shouldn’t give up, they should just have a leader that the media prefers to Johnson.
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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:29 - Jan 16 with 3256 viewsDarth_Koont

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 18:02 - Jan 16 by lowhouseblue

very happy for people to promote a different direction of travel. selling papers on the street corner, campaigning on social media, marching up and down with placards - i don't mind how they promote their direction of travel as long as they don't hijack the labour party and destroy it as a credible electoral force.


But politics isn't about winning the game. It's ultimately about taking care of the present and future generations.

You can equate it to a business where yes, you need to make money but ultimately just making money won't develop your business in a lasting way. You end up going where the money and the market already is. Real market-leading innovation is about knowing what will eventually change the market and pay off in a far bigger way. It's keeping your eye on the underlying prize which is part profit but arguably more about purpose.

New Labour had 3 terms and did little to address the political, economic and social structural issues in the UK. They did some much-needed sandbagging of course but at a time of a global boom it was a huge opportunity missed. Why? Because they took their eye off the ball and were now a party to consolidate political power for its own sake. Either that or they'd been ideologically hijacked by people who fundamentally didn't really agree with socialism or indeed much social democracy.

Also, if we're being honest, they were largely in power because of the legacy of the Tories under Thatcher and the emergence of the same IDS/John Redwood loony fringe who are now in power. A centrist government made sense. But now we've slipped further to the right we need to re-calibrate and re-introduce the sort of political values that are mainstream in the European countries that are outperforming us. Mainstream, because those policies WORK and are a hugely important counter-balance to the neoliberal, selfish and xenophobic ideas that can otherwise hold sway.

I know you disagree with all of this though. But I'm really not writing to you. I'm addressing the political blindspot we have towards actually leveraging our economy into making the UK a better place to live for more people.
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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:35 - Jan 16 with 3242 viewslowhouseblue

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:29 - Jan 16 by Darth_Koont

But politics isn't about winning the game. It's ultimately about taking care of the present and future generations.

You can equate it to a business where yes, you need to make money but ultimately just making money won't develop your business in a lasting way. You end up going where the money and the market already is. Real market-leading innovation is about knowing what will eventually change the market and pay off in a far bigger way. It's keeping your eye on the underlying prize which is part profit but arguably more about purpose.

New Labour had 3 terms and did little to address the political, economic and social structural issues in the UK. They did some much-needed sandbagging of course but at a time of a global boom it was a huge opportunity missed. Why? Because they took their eye off the ball and were now a party to consolidate political power for its own sake. Either that or they'd been ideologically hijacked by people who fundamentally didn't really agree with socialism or indeed much social democracy.

Also, if we're being honest, they were largely in power because of the legacy of the Tories under Thatcher and the emergence of the same IDS/John Redwood loony fringe who are now in power. A centrist government made sense. But now we've slipped further to the right we need to re-calibrate and re-introduce the sort of political values that are mainstream in the European countries that are outperforming us. Mainstream, because those policies WORK and are a hugely important counter-balance to the neoliberal, selfish and xenophobic ideas that can otherwise hold sway.

I know you disagree with all of this though. But I'm really not writing to you. I'm addressing the political blindspot we have towards actually leveraging our economy into making the UK a better place to live for more people.
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great, you go out and campaign for all that. but leave the labour party alone so that it can do its job for the people who want and need a progressive alternative to the tories.

your approach hasn't convinced anyone that you can offer a better place to live for more people - all it's done is give the tories a huge majority.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:38 - Jan 16 with 3237 viewsSwansea_Blue

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 16:13 - Jan 16 by tractordownsouth

I think I'm going to vote for Nandy with Keir as second choice but will watch the debates before making my choice.

She reacted very well to getting an unfortunate endorsement the other day



Lol. She’s just lost the bigot vote then.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:40 - Jan 16 with 3232 viewsvapour_trail

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:35 - Jan 16 by lowhouseblue

great, you go out and campaign for all that. but leave the labour party alone so that it can do its job for the people who want and need a progressive alternative to the tories.

your approach hasn't convinced anyone that you can offer a better place to live for more people - all it's done is give the tories a huge majority.


Your last government launched illegal war resulting in the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

So you win then.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:45 - Jan 16 with 3219 viewsDarth_Koont

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:35 - Jan 16 by lowhouseblue

great, you go out and campaign for all that. but leave the labour party alone so that it can do its job for the people who want and need a progressive alternative to the tories.

your approach hasn't convinced anyone that you can offer a better place to live for more people - all it's done is give the tories a huge majority.


I think you're ignoring the sabotage you and yours have done on the inside of the party. And also the relentless hatchet job by the media that sets the tone.

If the Labour Party needs to be "Approved" by the people it's not actually there to represent then we might as well forget about it. It's more of the same and pushing the issues and their widening divisions further down the road.

And God help us when we do actually need to take the environment, AI, automation, an aging population etc. seriously. But of course it will be each to their own as per usual.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:46 - Jan 16 with 3216 viewsSwansea_Blue

Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:29 - Jan 16 by Darth_Koont

But politics isn't about winning the game. It's ultimately about taking care of the present and future generations.

You can equate it to a business where yes, you need to make money but ultimately just making money won't develop your business in a lasting way. You end up going where the money and the market already is. Real market-leading innovation is about knowing what will eventually change the market and pay off in a far bigger way. It's keeping your eye on the underlying prize which is part profit but arguably more about purpose.

New Labour had 3 terms and did little to address the political, economic and social structural issues in the UK. They did some much-needed sandbagging of course but at a time of a global boom it was a huge opportunity missed. Why? Because they took their eye off the ball and were now a party to consolidate political power for its own sake. Either that or they'd been ideologically hijacked by people who fundamentally didn't really agree with socialism or indeed much social democracy.

Also, if we're being honest, they were largely in power because of the legacy of the Tories under Thatcher and the emergence of the same IDS/John Redwood loony fringe who are now in power. A centrist government made sense. But now we've slipped further to the right we need to re-calibrate and re-introduce the sort of political values that are mainstream in the European countries that are outperforming us. Mainstream, because those policies WORK and are a hugely important counter-balance to the neoliberal, selfish and xenophobic ideas that can otherwise hold sway.

I know you disagree with all of this though. But I'm really not writing to you. I'm addressing the political blindspot we have towards actually leveraging our economy into making the UK a better place to live for more people.
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A centrist Labour government would make the UK a better place to live for more people though (same with centrist govt of any colour). It’s not as far as you’d like but it’s the only realistic chance of Labour getting in power.

I’m with GB on this - better to govern than oppose. That has to start with winning the game.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:47 - Jan 16 with 3210 viewsWacko

She's also mixed race. Would that be the first for any of the main parties?

Sadly I believe a large number of the electorate (mainly Brexit supporters) are sexist and vote aspirationally, in that they like leaders who are of higher social status than themselves, so that inevitably leads to white posh males. In that respect I think Starmer has the best chance of beating the Tories than the others

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She's also mixed race. Would that be the first for any of the main parties?

Sadly I believe a large number of the electorate (mainly Brexit supporters) are sexist and vote aspirationally, in that they like leaders who are of higher social status than themselves, so that inevitably leads to white posh males. In that respect I think Starmer has the best chance of beating the Tories than the others


I have gradually come to the conclusion that anybody who wants to get their hands on the levers of power is a fcking nut job who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near them.

I think we should replace parliamentary democracy with a lucky dip every five years, pull a few names out of a hat and give them the job.

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A centrist Labour government would make the UK a better place to live for more people though (same with centrist govt of any colour). It’s not as far as you’d like but it’s the only realistic chance of Labour getting in power.

I’m with GB on this - better to govern than oppose. That has to start with winning the game.


Did Blair make the UK a better place to live for more people? Or was it the upswing in the global economy?

I didn't see the gaps in society narrowing. Or a reduction in disenfranchisement or disillusionment. Or our housing problems addressed. Or significant investment in new industries and education to boost productivity.

I reckon a centre-right Tory government under Cameron would have done a similar job with the same lasting effects given the same economic picture. He'd have gone blazing into Iraq too.

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I have gradually come to the conclusion that anybody who wants to get their hands on the levers of power is a fcking nut job who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near them.

I think we should replace parliamentary democracy with a lucky dip every five years, pull a few names out of a hat and give them the job.


Which was why Corbyn was so appealing - he never had aspirations to be leader and was thrust into the limelight by others. A better more honest way to do it

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A centrist Labour government would make the UK a better place to live for more people though (same with centrist govt of any colour). It’s not as far as you’d like but it’s the only realistic chance of Labour getting in power.

I’m with GB on this - better to govern than oppose. That has to start with winning the game.


Labour should have a sheep in wolf's clothing as leader now. Pose as Blair, suck up to the Murdoch press, sing the praises of the Efficient Private Sector, win a decent majority, then pull hugely left once that's all sorted.

They all renege on manifestos once elected and are barely challenged. We need a new Alistair Campbell et al to get a shifty socialist into No 10. :) No one really likes an honest politician.

My vote's for Zed!

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Labour should have a sheep in wolf's clothing as leader now. Pose as Blair, suck up to the Murdoch press, sing the praises of the Efficient Private Sector, win a decent majority, then pull hugely left once that's all sorted.

They all renege on manifestos once elected and are barely challenged. We need a new Alistair Campbell et al to get a shifty socialist into No 10. :) No one really likes an honest politician.

My vote's for Zed!


whatever happened to zed?

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whatever happened to zed?


Someone finally stumped up the cash for a nude scene. Believe he's on set right now.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:47 - Jan 16 by Wacko

She's also mixed race. Would that be the first for any of the main parties?

Sadly I believe a large number of the electorate (mainly Brexit supporters) are sexist and vote aspirationally, in that they like leaders who are of higher social status than themselves, so that inevitably leads to white posh males. In that respect I think Starmer has the best chance of beating the Tories than the others


Is she? In the same way many Brits have Anglo Saxon blood in them?

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 20:22 - Jan 16 with 3121 viewsWacko

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Is she? In the same way many Brits have Anglo Saxon blood in them?


Her father is Indian

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A centrist Labour government would make the UK a better place to live for more people though (same with centrist govt of any colour). It’s not as far as you’d like but it’s the only realistic chance of Labour getting in power.

I’m with GB on this - better to govern than oppose. That has to start with winning the game.


The issue is that the UK needs some fundamental structural reforms. Another round of New Labour won't fix the issues that have made people turn to the BNP, Brexit and other hate-based nonsense over the past decade, and is probably more likely to lead to us having an even bigger bunch of right-wing nutjobs in charge in the long-run.

Exactly this is happening in France at the moment. Macron continuing a neoliberal course will lead to Marie Le Pen finally winning a presidential election sometime down the line. At the last election she was over 30% behind him. Latest polls suggest she is now within 10%. Give it another electoral cycle and we may well see the far-right in power.
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Her father is Indian


I had no idea. Just Googled him - interesting fella. Founded the Runnymede Trust, which would have been an initiative well ahead of its time back then.

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Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 05:57 - Jan 17 with 3005 viewsRyorry

... says the former Tory politician who paid £25 to join the Labour Party just so he could vote for Jeremy Corbyn in the then Leadership contest - because, by his own admission, he thought JC the leader who'd be most likely to ensure the Tories continuing in power for the forseeable ...

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