| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader 12:49 - Jan 16 with 12092 views | GlasgowBlue |
Discuss.
For me she ticks all of the right boxes to cover all wings of the party.
Not Blairite whilst but soft left so no Corbyn connection.
No tolerance of antisemitism in the Labour Party whilst at the same time is the Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine.
Good with the media. Actually got the better of Andrew Neil last night.
Very honest. Would eat Boris for dinner at PMQ’s.
Oh and she could be the first female elected as Labour leader. |  |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:01 - Jan 17 with 2096 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:35 - Jan 16 by lowhouseblue |
great, you go out and campaign for all that. but leave the labour party alone so that it can do its job for the people who want and need a progressive alternative to the tories.
your approach hasn't convinced anyone that you can offer a better place to live for more people - all it's done is give the tories a huge majority. |
Aka.....'let the clever middle class types like me tell you working class types what you need and can have.....we'll keep bunging you a few crumbs while living splendidly off your backs.' The.prospect of a truly engaged politically motivated working class I would imagine fills you with dread....it should.
By 'progressive alternative'....do you mean 'slightly bigger crumbs?' |  |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:10 - Jan 17 with 2081 views | BloomBlue |
Long-Bailey's campaign seems to be gathering momentum. |  | | |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:11 - Jan 17 with 2081 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:01 - Jan 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Aka.....'let the clever middle class types like me tell you working class types what you need and can have.....we'll keep bunging you a few crumbs while living splendidly off your backs.' The.prospect of a truly engaged politically motivated working class I would imagine fills you with dread....it should.
By 'progressive alternative'....do you mean 'slightly bigger crumbs?' |
The last progressive alternative’s greatest achievement was to motivate working class former miners in the midlands and the north of England to brave the wind and torrential rain and vote for an old Etonian Tory. | |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:13 - Jan 17 with 2073 views | GaryCooper |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:01 - Jan 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Aka.....'let the clever middle class types like me tell you working class types what you need and can have.....we'll keep bunging you a few crumbs while living splendidly off your backs.' The.prospect of a truly engaged politically motivated working class I would imagine fills you with dread....it should.
By 'progressive alternative'....do you mean 'slightly bigger crumbs?' |
The current labour party despises the working class, they mocked the working lass prior to the election and truly hate the working class following the election. |  | | |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:18 - Jan 17 with 2061 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:11 - Jan 17 by GlasgowBlue |
The last progressive alternative’s greatest achievement was to motivate working class former miners in the midlands and the north of England to brave the wind and torrential rain and vote for an old Etonian Tory. |
Much like the job Macron is doing in France....kicking down the rungs of the ladder is the tried and tested formula for the elites. [Post edited 17 Jan 2020 7:24]
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:21 - Jan 17 with 2055 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:13 - Jan 17 by GaryCooper |
The current labour party despises the working class, they mocked the working lass prior to the election and truly hate the working class following the election. |
The British working class you allude to seem to hate themselves.
'Gruel Britannia!' [Post edited 17 Jan 2020 7:23]
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:37 - Jan 17 with 2017 views | GaryCooper |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:21 - Jan 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The British working class you allude to seem to hate themselves.
'Gruel Britannia!' [Post edited 17 Jan 2020 7:23]
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Does that include the proposed new leaders? They are seriously trying to out prole each other. | | | |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:40 - Jan 17 with 2014 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:37 - Jan 17 by GaryCooper |
Does that include the proposed new leaders? They are seriously trying to out prole each other. |
Are you not entirely convinced by Sir Kier Starmer’s attempt to reinvent himself as Red Robbo? [Post edited 17 Jan 2020 7:41]
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 08:44 - Jan 17 with 1984 views | itfcjoe |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:13 - Jan 17 by GaryCooper |
The current labour party despises the working class, they mocked the working lass prior to the election and truly hate the working class following the election. |
They are more interested in the working classes of Palestine to those of the Midlands and the North |  |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 08:46 - Jan 17 with 1977 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:37 - Jan 17 by GaryCooper |
Does that include the proposed new leaders? They are seriously trying to out prole each other. |
That is a different story! They should see Boris for a master class. | |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 08:57 - Jan 17 with 1959 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:13 - Jan 17 by GaryCooper |
The current labour party despises the working class, they mocked the working lass prior to the election and truly hate the working class following the election. |
Any evidence for that?
Or just what you'd like to believe? |  |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 08:58 - Jan 17 with 1955 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 08:44 - Jan 17 by itfcjoe |
They are more interested in the working classes of Palestine to those of the Midlands and the North |
Based on? | |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 09:10 - Jan 17 with 1936 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:13 - Jan 17 by GaryCooper |
The current labour party despises the working class, they mocked the working lass prior to the election and truly hate the working class following the election. |
That working lass had it coming to her though. Honestly, who wears a red mini skirt with pink stilettos? No wonder she was mocked. |  |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 09:22 - Jan 17 with 1903 views | footers |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 08:58 - Jan 17 by Darth_Koont |
Based on? |
Lazy stereotyping. |  |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 09:40 - Jan 17 with 1877 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 09:22 - Jan 17 by footers |
Lazy stereotyping. |
To be fair to Joe that is the VERY hard-working media narrative. | |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:00 - Jan 17 with 1856 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:51 - Jan 16 by vapour_trail |
I have gradually come to the conclusion that anybody who wants to get their hands on the levers of power is a fcking nut job who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near them.
I think we should replace parliamentary democracy with a lucky dip every five years, pull a few names out of a hat and give them the job. |
This is summed up perfectly by the late, great Douglas Adams in the work of genius that is the Hitchikers Guide To The Galaxy:
"It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:04 - Jan 17 with 1845 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 19:29 - Jan 16 by Darth_Koont |
But politics isn't about winning the game. It's ultimately about taking care of the present and future generations.
You can equate it to a business where yes, you need to make money but ultimately just making money won't develop your business in a lasting way. You end up going where the money and the market already is. Real market-leading innovation is about knowing what will eventually change the market and pay off in a far bigger way. It's keeping your eye on the underlying prize which is part profit but arguably more about purpose.
New Labour had 3 terms and did little to address the political, economic and social structural issues in the UK. They did some much-needed sandbagging of course but at a time of a global boom it was a huge opportunity missed. Why? Because they took their eye off the ball and were now a party to consolidate political power for its own sake. Either that or they'd been ideologically hijacked by people who fundamentally didn't really agree with socialism or indeed much social democracy.
Also, if we're being honest, they were largely in power because of the legacy of the Tories under Thatcher and the emergence of the same IDS/John Redwood loony fringe who are now in power. A centrist government made sense. But now we've slipped further to the right we need to re-calibrate and re-introduce the sort of political values that are mainstream in the European countries that are outperforming us. Mainstream, because those policies WORK and are a hugely important counter-balance to the neoliberal, selfish and xenophobic ideas that can otherwise hold sway.
I know you disagree with all of this though. But I'm really not writing to you. I'm addressing the political blindspot we have towards actually leveraging our economy into making the UK a better place to live for more people. [Post edited 16 Jan 2020 19:31]
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There’s not much point doing this again as it’s clearly akin to banging my head against a wall, but winning is absolutely first and foremost what politics is about, as without doing so everything else you’ve listed is impossible |  |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:05 - Jan 17 with 1842 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 20:04 - Jan 16 by lowhouseblue |
whatever happened to zed? |
Hasn’t been seen since 9:06 on 12/12 for some reason. But he was absolutely definitely a real Town supporter on here first and foremost due to his love of the Super Blues, and not a Momentum activist. No sir | |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:08 - Jan 17 with 1837 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 07:01 - Jan 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Aka.....'let the clever middle class types like me tell you working class types what you need and can have.....we'll keep bunging you a few crumbs while living splendidly off your backs.' The.prospect of a truly engaged politically motivated working class I would imagine fills you with dread....it should.
By 'progressive alternative'....do you mean 'slightly bigger crumbs?' |
I don’t agree with your assessment on what a more middle-ground Labour Party offers, but even if it’s true surely some crumbs is better than none whatsoever from the Corbyn version which was absolutely smashed in an election? | |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:09 - Jan 17 with 1832 views | DanTheMan |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 16:26 - Jan 16 by tractordownsouth |
Nandy
Starmer
Phillips
Thornberry
RLB
... is my current order, with a big gap between 3rd and 4th. I actually quite like Thornberry but she'd never win an election. [Post edited 16 Jan 2020 16:26]
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This is it for me as well, although I didn't like Nandy coming out and blaming Remainers for not "believing in Britain" enough, not the sort of language I'd expect from a Labour person. Leave that stuff to the nationalists. |  |
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| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:23 - Jan 17 with 1921 views | footers |
| Labour would be crazy not to elect Lisa Nandy as their leader on 10:11 - Jan 17 by itfcjoe |
Compare what the reaction would be to a group of people at a Political Conference all waving Union Jacks would be
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You realise that picture was taken at the Labour conference's meeting on Palestine? You know, where they discuss Palestine. | |
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