| Re nationalising trains 14:12 - Jan 29 with 3219 views | HARRY10 |
The Northern rail franchise is to be renationalised, the government has announced, with the state operator of last resort taking over the running of the struggling network from 1 March.
The decision means that the Conservatives have nationalised two major rail franchises in less than two years, after taking over the East Coast line in June 2018, now run as LNER after the collapse of Virgin Trains East Coast.
Shapps last week admitted that the future of another, South West Railway, was in doubt, after the First Group-MTR joint-venture said it was running out of cash. Questions also hang over the TransPennine Express and West Midlands Trains franchises.
Shapps admitted that the privatised model was not working, saying: “We know change is needed and change is coming.”
Unsurprisingly the latter was not mentioned during the election campaign
So what next ?
As the UK lags behind the rest of the EU for ultra fast broadband perhaps the UK government will look to fund a faster roll out. You know, one where the majority of households are connected - on the basis that long terminvestment is better than short term profit when it comes to national infrastructure |  | | |  |
| Re nationalising trains on 17:18 - Jan 29 with 950 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Re nationalising trains on 17:11 - Jan 29 by chicoazul |
Or don't think about a box at all and simply renationalise the entire network and run it via central control with clear lines of responsibility. We could call it British Rail or something like that. |
Personally I have thought for a long time that the national rail service should be nationalised but let's not get carried away here. Some of us can remember the absolute horror the last time it was in government control, and what happens when the government has zilch money? When the railways were privatised it did lead to a significant higher level of service.
So yes, I still think we should nationalise but let's not forget the past. |  |
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| Re nationalising trains on 17:58 - Jan 29 with 924 views | jaykay |
| Re nationalising trains on 17:18 - Jan 29 by Lord_Lucan |
Personally I have thought for a long time that the national rail service should be nationalised but let's not get carried away here. Some of us can remember the absolute horror the last time it was in government control, and what happens when the government has zilch money? When the railways were privatised it did lead to a significant higher level of service.
So yes, I still think we should nationalise but let's not forget the past. |
i remember blue arrow always ran on time
for those not born then or were busy filling their nappies this was the blue arrow
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=472587489780953 [Post edited 29 Jan 2020 18:01]
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| Re nationalising trains on 18:06 - Jan 29 with 912 views | HARRY10 |
| Re nationalising trains on 16:24 - Jan 29 by BrixtonBlue |
This was apparently a bad idea when it was Labour's. |
That being the point of the OP.
To claim that the UK needs another 50,000 nurses and 20,000 police officers does rather suggest that those who caused that need were and are still at fault.
Allowing private companies to asset strip utilities as they have done is one of the huge failures of government. Certain services need to be run for te public and business good. Such as roads.
And while that infrastructure is in national hands no one would claim that all the work should be carried out by the government. But Royail Mail should be a reminder of how letting private companies sell off what isn't bolted down in an asset selling frenzy does not work in the long run.
So whether there is an argument to be made for this wholesale pillaging of poblic owned assets I'm not sure, but there is a high level of hypocricy to now be offering up a recognition that that argument is flawed. | | | |
| Re nationalising trains on 18:10 - Jan 29 with 905 views | jeera |
| Re nationalising trains on 16:24 - Jan 29 by BrixtonBlue |
This was apparently a bad idea when it was Labour's. |
Just showing some unity. |  |
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| Re nationalising trains on 18:13 - Jan 29 with 898 views | HARRY10 |
| Re nationalising trains on 15:07 - Jan 29 by usm |
"Shapps admitted that the privatised model was not working, saying: “We know change is needed and change is coming.”
Unsurprisingly the latter was not mentioned during the election campaign"
I thought he did intimate possibly nationalising it in the run up to the GE - certainly someone was whinging on the BBC this morning about him NOT following through on his election promise to re-nationalise it. He cant win can he, really. |
Actually the Tory party manifesto stated
"It affirmed that the railways “need accountability, not nationalisation”.
Maybe a read of it might help.....if only to have an idea which policy they will do an about turn on next | | | |
| Re nationalising trains on 07:38 - Jan 30 with 817 views | hampstead_blue |
| Re nationalising trains on 16:00 - Jan 29 by WD19 |
Like all of these things, change is helpful.....
Public ownership/monopoly for a long period of time breeds complacency and lethargy.
Private ownership for a sustained period of time bleeds out investment.
Neither model is universally right or wrong. Both have advantages, both have drawbacks. |
You need a balance.
Motivated workers and strong cap on profits.
A unionised workforce also causes problems which you wouldn't need if there was a different model. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Re nationalising trains on 08:38 - Jan 30 with 803 views | monytowbray |
| Re nationalising trains on 07:38 - Jan 30 by hampstead_blue |
You need a balance.
Motivated workers and strong cap on profits.
A unionised workforce also causes problems which you wouldn't need if there was a different model. |
The cap on profits should be zero. Transport infrastructure shouldn’t be profit motivated. |  |
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| Re nationalising trains on 09:25 - Jan 30 with 793 views | hampstead_blue |
| Re nationalising trains on 08:38 - Jan 30 by monytowbray |
The cap on profits should be zero. Transport infrastructure shouldn’t be profit motivated. |
It's really tricky to get the right model.
The previous unionised and nationalised model wasn't good enough and the current model is equally poor.
I really do hope they get some very bright people to sit down and carefully figure out a way of incentive and public good. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Re nationalising trains on 09:30 - Jan 30 with 789 views | HARRY10 |
| Re nationalising trains on 09:25 - Jan 30 by hampstead_blue |
It's really tricky to get the right model.
The previous unionised and nationalised model wasn't good enough and the current model is equally poor.
I really do hope they get some very bright people to sit down and carefully figure out a way of incentive and public good. |
it has NOTHING to do with unionised labour, that is just your silly rightwing obsessive disorder
I would suggest you take some time and have a read up on this
but that would be as much of a wasted suggestion asiwould be telling Eric Picles to just stick to the salad bar when visiting a Harvester | | | |
| Re nationalising trains on 09:34 - Jan 30 with 783 views | flimflam |
| Re nationalising trains on 16:24 - Jan 29 by BrixtonBlue |
This was apparently a bad idea when it was Labour's. |
Not sure Re nationalizing the railways in isolation was tbh. It was more the sheer amount in a short space of time that caused people to run for the hills.
Re nationalizing the railways was also deemed a good idea by Labour who now seem to be criticizing the Tories for the exactly the same policy. Weirdos the lot of them. [Post edited 30 Jan 2020 9:48]
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| Re nationalising trains on 09:46 - Jan 30 with 774 views | HARRY10 |
| Re nationalising trains on 09:34 - Jan 30 by flimflam |
Not sure Re nationalizing the railways in isolation was tbh. It was more the sheer amount in a short space of time that caused people to run for the hills.
Re nationalizing the railways was also deemed a good idea by Labour who now seem to be criticizing the Tories for the exactly the same policy. Weirdos the lot of them. [Post edited 30 Jan 2020 9:48]
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nationalising BR ? | | | |
| Re nationalising trains on 09:49 - Jan 30 with 771 views | flimflam |
| Re nationalising trains on 09:46 - Jan 30 by HARRY10 |
nationalising BR ? |
Not had my morning coffee yet. You knew what I meant. | |
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| Re nationalising trains on 09:56 - Jan 30 with 765 views | No9 |
the way in which rail was given away was a complete lash-up
This was realised in the noughties and a full enquiry set up then knocked on the head by Cameron / Osborne so the taxpayer has been screwed for the last decade.
As far as broad band is concerned the taxpayer has already given BT circa £4 Bn - where has that money gone? | | | |
| Re nationalising trains on 10:03 - Jan 30 with 762 views | HARRY10 |
| Re nationalising trains on 09:49 - Jan 30 by flimflam |
Not had my morning coffee yet. You knew what I meant. |
err, no I didn't hence my qustion
meanwhile
‘I will oppose’: PM faces backbench Tory rebellion over HS2
'Greg Smith, the newly elected Conservative MP for Buckingham, has warned that he will vote against HS2 in parliament if the government presses ahead with the project.'
'Smith said his view was shared by many other MPs, including newly-elected Tories in northern constituencies.
“We are not against infrastructure. We are just saying that HS2 is the wrong project, it goes along the wrong route at a cost that, frankly, the nation can’t afford,” he said.'
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| Re nationalising trains on 10:16 - Jan 30 with 754 views | No9 |
| Re nationalising trains on 09:25 - Jan 30 by hampstead_blue |
It's really tricky to get the right model.
The previous unionised and nationalised model wasn't good enough and the current model is equally poor.
I really do hope they get some very bright people to sit down and carefully figure out a way of incentive and public good. |
Just look at the way rail was given away, it was handled by a grossly incompetent MP who then took a nice job with the bank he gave £ millions to, to do it for him.
Lookat how Roscos were formed (the ony bits ever likley to make a LOT of money) then handed over to a select few.
In a first world country this would have been looked at as grand larceny
Nothing to do with the Unions although the MP did try to steal the rail Workers pension fund. | | | |
| Re nationalising trains on 10:32 - Jan 30 with 745 views | hampstead_blue |
| Re nationalising trains on 09:30 - Jan 30 by HARRY10 |
it has NOTHING to do with unionised labour, that is just your silly rightwing obsessive disorder
I would suggest you take some time and have a read up on this
but that would be as much of a wasted suggestion asiwould be telling Eric Picles to just stick to the salad bar when visiting a Harvester |
Harry.
The reason I put the union comment was that I've been told that by my Uncle who worked for BR his entire career.
I'm passing on what I've been informed.
The solution isn't a right wong one. It's got to be party agnostic.
The problems of nationalised industries have been caused by politicians. It's got to be done so for the public good but with a completely new model of operation.
Hopefully the current gov can get some very bright people in to sort it out. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Re nationalising trains on 13:10 - Jan 30 with 718 views | Ryorry |
| Re nationalising trains on 09:56 - Jan 30 by No9 |
the way in which rail was given away was a complete lash-up
This was realised in the noughties and a full enquiry set up then knocked on the head by Cameron / Osborne so the taxpayer has been screwed for the last decade.
As far as broad band is concerned the taxpayer has already given BT circa £4 Bn - where has that money gone? |
Privatisation of the electricity industry equally ridiculous/unacceptable. |  |
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| Re nationalising trains on 13:20 - Jan 30 with 709 views | Swansea_Blue |
Your regular reminder that we, the taxpayers, are having to subsidise the rail network more now than when it was publically run. https://fullfact.org/economy/how-much-does-government-subsidise-railways/
In my simplistic view of the world, they should go the whole hog and re-nationalise it all, or run the network and providers as not for profit organisations, or have the government as sole shareholders. Anything where any surpluses can be reinvested back into the service. |  |
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