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Coronavirus 07:30 - Mar 11 with 9900 viewsSwailsey

I’m aware there’s been loads of threads on this, but I was hoping to strip it back to basics if possible.

As someone with mad OCD and who is prone to hypochondria, I’ve been trying to avoid reading too much and just continuing with my standard hand washing/general OTT (by usual standards) hygiene methods. I feel as though I’m teetering on hyper-analysis on how I’m feeling every second of the day, which is ironically making me feel ill.

Can someone explain why this is being treated with such urgency, compared to say the standard flu? I’m not coming from a conspiracy angle, but to me it seems:

1) Fewer people have been infected than with the usual flu
2) Fewer people have died than with the usual flu
3) It seems to be the vulnerable (as with flu) who are dying

Have we just become complacent with the normal winter flu problem, or is it because:

1) It’s a new virus
2) It’s spreading so fast
3) There is the fear of mutation

Would be interested to hear the thoughts of people closer to it, as it’s hard for me to get an objective view.

I don’t remember this type of mass panic with swine flu or other things before. Is it social media? False rumours circulating? *

*Again, not insinuating at all that anything untoward is happening.
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Coronavirus on 10:08 - Mar 11 with 1484 viewsRyorry

Is this good advice or OTT?

"Paper Cardboard plastic any thing that comes through your door .#COVID2019uk lasts 9 Days . Either use disposable gloves or wash your hands for 30 secs . Singing Boris Is A *anker, And So Say All of Us, And So Say All of Us . Repeat that's 30 secs"

I do prefer his choice of tune to boring old "Happy Birthday" though!

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Coronavirus on 10:14 - Mar 11 with 1471 viewsDyland

Coronavirus on 09:59 - Mar 11 by Marshalls_Mullet

The mortality rate indicates the severity of the virus, the vast majority of people won't need to use the health service.

We are ALL well aware that we are not close to the peak yet.


Are you missing the point on purpose? Even if 90% of people won't require hospital treatment, the 10% who may are at clear risk (of dying) if they all need treatment at roughly the same time (in the same month or two e.g.). Our critical care health service is strained at the best of times. When we have the spike in the UK, and this is when not if, I wonder if people will continue being blase.

All of this is not to say anyone needs to panic. But certainly anyone showing symptoms or having had contact with people affected should if possible stay at home for a week or so, regardless of the government's lack of quarantine measures. What is happening in Italy could not have been easily predicted, but the measures have come to late for many people. Are we learning anything from Italy?

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Coronavirus on 10:16 - Mar 11 with 1467 viewsGlasgowBlue

Coronavirus on 10:08 - Mar 11 by Ryorry

Is this good advice or OTT?

"Paper Cardboard plastic any thing that comes through your door .#COVID2019uk lasts 9 Days . Either use disposable gloves or wash your hands for 30 secs . Singing Boris Is A *anker, And So Say All of Us, And So Say All of Us . Repeat that's 30 secs"

I do prefer his choice of tune to boring old "Happy Birthday" though!




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Coronavirus on 10:27 - Mar 11 with 1460 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Coronavirus on 10:14 - Mar 11 by Dyland

Are you missing the point on purpose? Even if 90% of people won't require hospital treatment, the 10% who may are at clear risk (of dying) if they all need treatment at roughly the same time (in the same month or two e.g.). Our critical care health service is strained at the best of times. When we have the spike in the UK, and this is when not if, I wonder if people will continue being blase.

All of this is not to say anyone needs to panic. But certainly anyone showing symptoms or having had contact with people affected should if possible stay at home for a week or so, regardless of the government's lack of quarantine measures. What is happening in Italy could not have been easily predicted, but the measures have come to late for many people. Are we learning anything from Italy?


None of us really know yet.

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Coronavirus on 10:37 - Mar 11 with 1445 viewsDanTheMan

Coronavirus on 10:27 - Mar 11 by Marshalls_Mullet

None of us really know yet.


Except the doctors and other scientists.

Who think this is a when, not if, scenario.
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Coronavirus on 10:38 - Mar 11 with 1440 viewsRyorry

Coronavirus on 10:16 - Mar 11 by GlasgowBlue



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Heh, thanks, just off to take the mutt out for his necessities, wonder what lyrics I'll have in mind when I come back!

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Coronavirus on 10:42 - Mar 11 with 1440 viewsDyland

Coronavirus on 10:27 - Mar 11 by Marshalls_Mullet

None of us really know yet.


So... we don't want to learn anything from Italy (and China for that matter).

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Coronavirus on 10:47 - Mar 11 with 1435 viewsRyorry

Coronavirus on 10:42 - Mar 11 by Dyland

So... we don't want to learn anything from Italy (and China for that matter).


One of the problems is that whatever good examples, advice & systems are in place, there'll always be some stupid, selfish & irresponsible people who ignore those things & thereby increase/worsen the problem.

So, who did Nadine Dorries meet with recently? And where are those people, what are they doing today ..?

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Coronavirus on 10:50 - Mar 11 with 1428 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Coronavirus on 10:42 - Mar 11 by Dyland

So... we don't want to learn anything from Italy (and China for that matter).


Didn't say that love.

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Coronavirus on 10:50 - Mar 11 with 1427 viewshomer_123

Coronavirus on 10:47 - Mar 11 by Ryorry

One of the problems is that whatever good examples, advice & systems are in place, there'll always be some stupid, selfish & irresponsible people who ignore those things & thereby increase/worsen the problem.

So, who did Nadine Dorries meet with recently? And where are those people, what are they doing today ..?


Fortunately, Boris. [cough]

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Coronavirus on 10:50 - Mar 11 with 1427 viewshomer_123

Coronavirus on 08:17 - Mar 11 by BrianTablet

I think it's the fact that we get our facts from message boards that is the real worry :-)


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Coronavirus on 10:50 - Mar 11 with 1426 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Coronavirus on 10:47 - Mar 11 by Ryorry

One of the problems is that whatever good examples, advice & systems are in place, there'll always be some stupid, selfish & irresponsible people who ignore those things & thereby increase/worsen the problem.

So, who did Nadine Dorries meet with recently? And where are those people, what are they doing today ..?


Most people are taking this seriously.

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Coronavirus on 10:53 - Mar 11 with 1423 viewsDyland

Coronavirus on 10:50 - Mar 11 by Marshalls_Mullet

Didn't say that love.


They DO know in Italy (and China).

You make internet conversation very, very hard sweetcheeks.

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Coronavirus on 10:56 - Mar 11 with 1422 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Coronavirus on 10:53 - Mar 11 by Dyland

They DO know in Italy (and China).

You make internet conversation very, very hard sweetcheeks.


You're trying to twist my words.

My point was that the fatality rate may hopefully be lower than estimated.

That doesnt mean I'm not taking this seriously.

Not interested in continuing a discussion where you twist statements.

Over and out darling.

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Coronavirus on 10:59 - Mar 11 with 1413 viewsPinewoodblue

Coronavirus on 10:56 - Mar 11 by Marshalls_Mullet

You're trying to twist my words.

My point was that the fatality rate may hopefully be lower than estimated.

That doesnt mean I'm not taking this seriously.

Not interested in continuing a discussion where you twist statements.

Over and out darling.


Take a look at the actual mortality rate. Number of deaths as a percentage of those who have recovered.

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Coronavirus on 11:05 - Mar 11 with 1401 viewsStokieBlue

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Coronavirus on 11:06 - Mar 11 with 1399 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Coronavirus on 10:59 - Mar 11 by Pinewoodblue

Take a look at the actual mortality rate. Number of deaths as a percentage of those who have recovered.


Read my original post.

The only figure we know for certain is the number of deaths. We don't know accurately how many people have had the virus and not been diagnosed.

I was trying to find a positive.

Not interested in discussing further. This forum is becoming Twitter.

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Coronavirus on 11:09 - Mar 11 with 1392 viewsDyland

Coronavirus on 10:56 - Mar 11 by Marshalls_Mullet

You're trying to twist my words.

My point was that the fatality rate may hopefully be lower than estimated.

That doesnt mean I'm not taking this seriously.

Not interested in continuing a discussion where you twist statements.

Over and out darling.


No I'm not. Certainly not trying to anyway. Where and how have I twisted your words?

"... the vast majority of people won't need to use the health service."

I'm saying this is irrelevant to the point about capacity and the health service with regard the numbers who WILL need it.

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Coronavirus on 11:09 - Mar 11 with 1391 viewsStokieBlue

Coronavirus on 11:06 - Mar 11 by Marshalls_Mullet

Read my original post.

The only figure we know for certain is the number of deaths. We don't know accurately how many people have had the virus and not been diagnosed.

I was trying to find a positive.

Not interested in discussing further. This forum is becoming Twitter.


You are correct. All we actually know is the numerator not the denominator. We can do our best to guess the denominator but as you say, it could be much higher than that is being used hence the mortality rate would be lower.

Either way it's not really relevant, it's high enough.

SB
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Coronavirus on 10:16 - Mar 11 by GlasgowBlue



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I've been washing my hands to the tune of Happy Birthday twice which is what we were advised - 7 bloody minutes though every time I wash!

I thought they were talking about The Altered Images song.

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Coronavirus on 11:11 - Mar 11 with 1384 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Coronavirus on 11:09 - Mar 11 by Dyland

No I'm not. Certainly not trying to anyway. Where and how have I twisted your words?

"... the vast majority of people won't need to use the health service."

I'm saying this is irrelevant to the point about capacity and the health service with regard the numbers who WILL need it.


My point was purely about the mortality rate.

That doesn't mean that I don't appreciate capacity issues of the NHS.

I really don't want to spend all day discussing this.

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P.S. on 11:11 - Mar 11 with 1385 viewsDyland

Coronavirus on 10:56 - Mar 11 by Marshalls_Mullet

You're trying to twist my words.

My point was that the fatality rate may hopefully be lower than estimated.

That doesnt mean I'm not taking this seriously.

Not interested in continuing a discussion where you twist statements.

Over and out darling.


Your comment -

"So if the number of cases is under estimated, that means the fatality rate is currently over estimated."

I agree with you.

In the subsequent posts, I'm not talking about the fatality rate as a percentage of actual infections.

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see above/below on 11:12 - Mar 11 with 1385 viewsDyland

Coronavirus on 11:11 - Mar 11 by Marshalls_Mullet

My point was purely about the mortality rate.

That doesn't mean that I don't appreciate capacity issues of the NHS.

I really don't want to spend all day discussing this.


Just a misunderstanding.

On your part ;)

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Coronavirus on 11:12 - Mar 11 with 1386 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Coronavirus on 11:09 - Mar 11 by StokieBlue

You are correct. All we actually know is the numerator not the denominator. We can do our best to guess the denominator but as you say, it could be much higher than that is being used hence the mortality rate would be lower.

Either way it's not really relevant, it's high enough.

SB


I agree that any death is one too many, but my point was that going forward, hopefully it may be less than predicted.

I was trying to find a more positive outlook in all this.

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P.S. on 11:13 - Mar 11 with 1383 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

P.S. on 11:11 - Mar 11 by Dyland

Your comment -

"So if the number of cases is under estimated, that means the fatality rate is currently over estimated."

I agree with you.

In the subsequent posts, I'm not talking about the fatality rate as a percentage of actual infections.


I don't think there is any more to discuss.

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