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Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 14:47 - Apr 1 by giant_stow
the main advantage I can think of is that mass testing would serve as a way out of lockdown. Or to put it another way, lockdown's only requried because we can't test everyone loads of times.
The antibody test will be far more useful than just testing, because as Lucan says, you could get tested one day but pick it up the next.
The current test won't really help that much in mass testing. Although that person can stay out of contact with others as a matter of urgency which helps.
Mass testing will work well with the new immunoassay tests that see whether you've had it and like the antigen test can show if you've been infected in the last day - so perfect for keeping an eye on healthcare workers and spotting outbreaks early.
I keep hearing it'll be a week or two for them to arrive but they should be a game changer for managing the epidemic outside of a lockdown.
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Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:02 - Apr 1 with 820 views
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 14:45 - Apr 1 by BrixtonBlue
With mass testing you can tell who definitely has it... then those people will be required to properly isolate (i.e. no popping to the shops). That halts the spread.
Unless I'm missing something this seems fairly obvious.
Ok, someone is tested, test is negative and so they are permitted to mingle & they then get infected & start spreading the virus. Hard to see testing making more than a marginal difference unless you regularly test the whole population, which is impossible.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:00 - Apr 1 by Darth_Koont
The current test won't really help that much in mass testing. Although that person can stay out of contact with others as a matter of urgency which helps.
Mass testing will work well with the new immunoassay tests that see whether you've had it and like the antigen test can show if you've been infected in the last day - so perfect for keeping an eye on healthcare workers and spotting outbreaks early.
I keep hearing it'll be a week or two for them to arrive but they should be a game changer for managing the epidemic outside of a lockdown.
D_K I thought I heard they were here already but they have to do loads of tests in a real world situation to confirm usage and accuracy, although I could be confused with another test
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Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:06 - Apr 1 with 810 views
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 14:59 - Apr 1 by hype313
The antibody test will be far more useful than just testing, because as Lucan says, you could get tested one day but pick it up the next.
Exactly, this is why we have made big decisions in The Lucans
My daughter works in care and she is surrounded by it so she is gonna get hit.
As damage limitation the poor mare has decided that her partner and child should move into Lucan HQ and she will not come into contact with any of us and may not see her son for weeks or months.
It started on Monday and it will be very difficult. The nipper is only 20 months so it cannot be explained to him and because of this they are not even seeing each other from a distance as he wouldn't understand - video calls only!
On top of this Mother is isolating in the granny flat next door.
Lucan HQ is like a scene from MASH
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Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:04 - Apr 1 by BloomBlue
D_K I thought I heard they were here already but they have to do loads of tests in a real world situation to confirm usage and accuracy, although I could be confused with another test
I'm sure that's right.
These will act as early-warning systems and to model how the infection spreads so makes sense to know exactly how well they work and how to get the most accurate results. But you'd think they would want to get a fair amount of testing done before they ease up the restrictions - even if it's just in London and the major cities to try and understand what the potential risk is.
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Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:13 - Apr 1 with 792 views
By increasing our understanding of the disease, its real extent, spread patterns, how many might have low-level or no symptoms and so on, it will allow us to develop the most effective possible response and treatment/isolation strategy.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:13 - Apr 1 by Guthrum
By increasing our understanding of the disease, its real extent, spread patterns, how many might have low-level or no symptoms and so on, it will allow us to develop the most effective possible response and treatment/isolation strategy.
To be honest if the new tests are close I see little point in rolling out the current tests, can you imagine if Boots the Chemist had them in stock tomorrow? Such would be the stampede that everyone would infect each other.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:22 - Apr 1 by Lord_Lucan
To be honest if the new tests are close I see little point in rolling out the current tests, can you imagine if Boots the Chemist had them in stock tomorrow? Such would be the stampede that everyone would infect each other.
The infection products test is useful for stats and exploring possibilities of immunity, but the other test is still useful, particularly during the five-day period between infection and the first symptoms.
I can't see either test being on general sale for some time. There are too many people in urgent need.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:36 - Apr 1 by Guthrum
The infection products test is useful for stats and exploring possibilities of immunity, but the other test is still useful, particularly during the five-day period between infection and the first symptoms.
I can't see either test being on general sale for some time. There are too many people in urgent need.
But this is another problem - procurement.
Factory I use in China also make PPE and they gave me a list with prices. Take masks for example, they make 5 million masks a day and I can get them - along with goggles, isolation suits, test kits etc delivered to your front door in about 7 days.
Now I don't know this for a fact but if the NHS are anything like the army they will have preferred suppliers and so much middle management that the procurement process is not fit for purpose.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:42 - Apr 1 by Lord_Lucan
But this is another problem - procurement.
Factory I use in China also make PPE and they gave me a list with prices. Take masks for example, they make 5 million masks a day and I can get them - along with goggles, isolation suits, test kits etc delivered to your front door in about 7 days.
Now I don't know this for a fact but if the NHS are anything like the army they will have preferred suppliers and so much middle management that the procurement process is not fit for purpose.
I don't understand that either, not in time of urgent need.
What was the deal with GTech and the ventilators? I'm a bit late to the party on that one too. I've seen people post their proposed product didn't fit the bill but apart from a piece in some local rag I've not spotted much more on it.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:42 - Apr 1 by Lord_Lucan
But this is another problem - procurement.
Factory I use in China also make PPE and they gave me a list with prices. Take masks for example, they make 5 million masks a day and I can get them - along with goggles, isolation suits, test kits etc delivered to your front door in about 7 days.
Now I don't know this for a fact but if the NHS are anything like the army they will have preferred suppliers and so much middle management that the procurement process is not fit for purpose.
Sure, but tests are a bit tricky. The Italians have had to ditch a load of tests from a Chinese supplier, only a third of them worked. Turned out not to have been on the government approved list of factories.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:52 - Apr 1 by jeera
I don't understand that either, not in time of urgent need.
What was the deal with GTech and the ventilators? I'm a bit late to the party on that one too. I've seen people post their proposed product didn't fit the bill but apart from a piece in some local rag I've not spotted much more on it.
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I think for whatever reason Dyson got the gig. I did see the CEO of Gtech on the TV saying he could turn out 1000 units a day so I wondered why we only had 8000 in the system in the first place if they were such a doddle.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:55 - Apr 1 by Guthrum
Sure, but tests are a bit tricky. The Italians have had to ditch a load of tests from a Chinese supplier, only a third of them worked. Turned out not to have been on the government approved list of factories.
But that is a different matter Guthers, that is the fault of the Italian government in using a sh1t factory.
The factory I am talking about have all the accreditation, test reports etc but this is also largely irrelevant. It takes the plane the same amount of time to fly from a sh1t factory as it does a good factory.
I'm not really bothered about mass public testing but I am surprised it takes so long for whoever is in control to get PPE delivered from A to B*****
*****Although I might be off the mark, the numbers of product required is probably off the bloody scale.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:55 - Apr 1 by Guthrum
Sure, but tests are a bit tricky. The Italians have had to ditch a load of tests from a Chinese supplier, only a third of them worked. Turned out not to have been on the government approved list of factories.
Spain had a similar problem with PPE equipment from China, sent a load back as it failed, below standard
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Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 16:51 - Apr 1 with 678 views
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:02 - Apr 1 by Radlett_blue
Ok, someone is tested, test is negative and so they are permitted to mingle & they then get infected & start spreading the virus. Hard to see testing making more than a marginal difference unless you regularly test the whole population, which is impossible.
I didn't say anything about if the test is negative. If it is I doubt they would be "permitted to mingle" straight away. We'll still need to keep up this 'lockdown' for a while yet.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 15:06 - Apr 1 by Lord_Lucan
Exactly, this is why we have made big decisions in The Lucans
My daughter works in care and she is surrounded by it so she is gonna get hit.
As damage limitation the poor mare has decided that her partner and child should move into Lucan HQ and she will not come into contact with any of us and may not see her son for weeks or months.
It started on Monday and it will be very difficult. The nipper is only 20 months so it cannot be explained to him and because of this they are not even seeing each other from a distance as he wouldn't understand - video calls only!
On top of this Mother is isolating in the granny flat next door.
Lucan HQ is like a scene from MASH
Jeez. She’s a hero mate.
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Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 17:16 - Apr 1 with 656 views
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 16:34 - Apr 1 by Lord_Lucan
But that is a different matter Guthers, that is the fault of the Italian government in using a sh1t factory.
The factory I am talking about have all the accreditation, test reports etc but this is also largely irrelevant. It takes the plane the same amount of time to fly from a sh1t factory as it does a good factory.
I'm not really bothered about mass public testing but I am surprised it takes so long for whoever is in control to get PPE delivered from A to B*****
*****Although I might be off the mark, the numbers of product required is probably off the bloody scale.
It is huge numbers, but you'd have thought our disaster planning people might have been listened to.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 16:34 - Apr 1 by Lord_Lucan
But that is a different matter Guthers, that is the fault of the Italian government in using a sh1t factory.
The factory I am talking about have all the accreditation, test reports etc but this is also largely irrelevant. It takes the plane the same amount of time to fly from a sh1t factory as it does a good factory.
I'm not really bothered about mass public testing but I am surprised it takes so long for whoever is in control to get PPE delivered from A to B*****
*****Although I might be off the mark, the numbers of product required is probably off the bloody scale.
Demand is off the scale in fairness. Apparently the US order alone exceeds global manufacturing capacity (normally).
However, there have been reports of UK textile manufacturers contacting the government and saying we think we can help here and make you some masks/coveralls (although I don't know to what spec or issues around getting them approved). Apparently the government hasn't responded. Same as they haven't been in touch with the chemical manufacturers around reagents for test kits. And same as they ignored some of our experienced ventilator manufacturers.
So it seems the government did the right thing in putting out a generic call to arms, but then failed miserably to manage the response. It's a repeating theme.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 14:25 - Apr 1 by Radlett_blue
I think we all agree that testing NHS workers is sensible & should be a priority. But no-one has yet explained the advantage of general mass testing, unless you could test the whole population every day.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 16:51 - Apr 1 by BrixtonBlue
I didn't say anything about if the test is negative. If it is I doubt they would be "permitted to mingle" straight away. We'll still need to keep up this 'lockdown' for a while yet.
OK, but no-one has yet managed to give a good reason why higher levels of general testing will make a difference.
Without referring to a link by someone else, can anyone explain why mass testing on 14:13 - Apr 1 by bluelagos
The game changer will be when they can test whether you have had the virus. As they don't believe people can get it twice - you would be free to carry on with your life.
Think that could be how the lockdown is eventually unlocked. Going to be a whole new meltdown over who gets those tests first :-)
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You can get it twice, but most experts are saying it is unlikely, I believe.
However, there have been cases where a patient has recovered and contracted in again, especially in South Korea.
Source - Dr Kim (I'm sure many have watched the interview but in case you haven't
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