| NHS pay 00:17 - Apr 11 with 3245 views | pistonbroke |
Hopefully after Boris gets through this awful illness , and he has relied on our wonderful nhs staff , he will then pay them the wages that they deserve |  | | |  |
| NHS pay on 11:13 - Apr 11 with 804 views | StokieBlue |
| NHS pay on 11:06 - Apr 11 by Swansea_Blue |
There’s quite a disparity between responses of the super rich.
The founder of Twitter is donating $1bn to the efforts, which is about 28% of his worth. That’s a sizeable chunk and highly commendable (yet still won’t be missed).
Bezos on the other hand is donating $100m to a food bank. That’ll no doubt be transformational for them, but that’s only 0.08% of his wealth. Or equivalent to someone on the average wage donating £23 (notwithstanding difference between wealth and income of course). Increasingly Bezos comes across as a total arsehole, especially in light of complaints he’s not taking health of his staff seriously.
Even Bill Gates, who’s getting positive press, is ‘only’ spending a “few billions”. He’ll still have over $95 billion of his fortune untouched. That’s more than the GDP of 126 countries.
I’m surprised there’s not more pressure on these people. |
Gates has donated 99%+ of his fortune to charity upon his death though and donated just short of 5bn USD last year and 46bn USD since 1994.
A decent percentage but as you say, still not missed in the grand scheme of things. He would still be the richest man in the world if not for his charitable donations, ahead of Bezos.
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| NHS pay on 11:20 - Apr 11 with 792 views | Guthrum |
| NHS pay on 11:06 - Apr 11 by Swansea_Blue |
There’s quite a disparity between responses of the super rich.
The founder of Twitter is donating $1bn to the efforts, which is about 28% of his worth. That’s a sizeable chunk and highly commendable (yet still won’t be missed).
Bezos on the other hand is donating $100m to a food bank. That’ll no doubt be transformational for them, but that’s only 0.08% of his wealth. Or equivalent to someone on the average wage donating £23 (notwithstanding difference between wealth and income of course). Increasingly Bezos comes across as a total arsehole, especially in light of complaints he’s not taking health of his staff seriously.
Even Bill Gates, who’s getting positive press, is ‘only’ spending a “few billions”. He’ll still have over $95 billion of his fortune untouched. That’s more than the GDP of 126 countries.
I’m surprised there’s not more pressure on these people. |
The question is how much of, for example, Bezos' wealth is actually in cash he can donate, rather than notional value of companies he owns, which he cannot.
Gates has sold a large proportion of his shares in Microsoft, so has the cash to give away. |  |
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| NHS pay on 11:37 - Apr 11 with 787 views | monytowbray |
| NHS pay on 09:41 - Apr 11 by Guthrum |
At the risk of being controversial, many - probably most - of the super-wealthy do put a lot back in terms of charitable giving (in good times and bad). Tho a lot of attention is focussed upon those bad eggs who don't, or who behave in a blatantly grasping fashion.
The problem is more with large companies who use their leverage to get favourable tax agreements at extremely low rates compared with smaller fry. Also with a certain class of the moderately wealthy (in the tens of millions bracket), who are intent on increasing their fortunes but, coming from the libertarian/greed is good background popularised in the '80s, ideologically disinclined to support society. |
Taxes are a form of charity though. We should not celebrate them stealing money to fund the greater good and then occasionally giving a small cut of it back to a cause of their choice.
Ironically with no billionaires we’d need less of it.
Bring me the scalps of the super rich. |  |
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| NHS pay on 11:41 - Apr 11 with 767 views | StokieBlue |
| NHS pay on 11:37 - Apr 11 by monytowbray |
Taxes are a form of charity though. We should not celebrate them stealing money to fund the greater good and then occasionally giving a small cut of it back to a cause of their choice.
Ironically with no billionaires we’d need less of it.
Bring me the scalps of the super rich. |
Gates agrees with you on some of those points:
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/bill-gates-calls-tax-hike-wealth
Probably not the scalping though.
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| NHS pay on 13:11 - Apr 11 with 723 views | Lord_Lucan |
| NHS pay on 11:03 - Apr 11 by noggin |
The tory government, yes. Boris was there. |
So not this government then.
The one before this government or the one before that?
Or the one before that? |  |
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| NHS pay on 13:15 - Apr 11 with 714 views | noggin |
| NHS pay on 13:11 - Apr 11 by Lord_Lucan |
So not this government then.
The one before this government or the one before that?
Or the one before that? |
OK pedant, maybe I should have said 'party'. But you knew what I meant. |  |
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| NHS pay on 13:20 - Apr 11 with 712 views | Guthrum |
| NHS pay on 11:37 - Apr 11 by monytowbray |
Taxes are a form of charity though. We should not celebrate them stealing money to fund the greater good and then occasionally giving a small cut of it back to a cause of their choice.
Ironically with no billionaires we’d need less of it.
Bring me the scalps of the super rich. |
But that is to fundamentally misunderstand what most billionaires are (setting aside for a moment the class who made their wealth gambling on the stock markets with other people's money). They are the figureheads - often the founders - of large and highly valued companies. It isn't personal wealth, but a reflection of the size of the business and demand for its products.
Taxing those companies properly will barely affect their notional value and thus the "wealth" of their owners.
Fewer billionaires would certainly not reduce the need for charity. Especially given the ordinary, comfortably off populace aren't keen on paying taxes, either.
Taxes are not charity, they are a reflection of the responsibility of people to support the society within which they live and work. Charity is voluntary and on top of that. | |
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| NHS pay on 14:24 - Apr 11 with 683 views | jontysnut |
| NHS pay on 01:04 - Apr 11 by monytowbray |
Or they could close tax loopholes. The entire world. If this crisis has proven anything it’s that billionaires should give more back and are mostly worthless. |
Yes there will be a few people banging pots on Thursday nights who find ways and means of not paying tax. |  | | |
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| NHS pay on 14:43 - Apr 11 with 671 views | noggin |
| NHS pay on 14:24 - Apr 11 by jontysnut |
Yes there will be a few people banging pots on Thursday nights who find ways and means of not paying tax. |
They did that, simply by voting tory. | |
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| NHS pay on 15:20 - Apr 11 with 652 views | Lord_Lucan |
| NHS pay on 13:15 - Apr 11 by noggin |
OK pedant, maybe I should have said 'party'. But you knew what I meant. |
I knew what you meant but it makes an absolute whole world of difference to be fair. | |
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| NHS pay on 16:14 - Apr 11 with 624 views | Churchman |
| NHS pay on 10:40 - Apr 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Qualified doctors are very well paid (rightly so), I don't think their wage needs reviewing. I know a doctor who was concerned that his pension was accumulating at such a rate he was worried about the extra tax it might attract.
I think it's primarily nurses and more junior staff who are seen as underpaid. |
Agreed. My cousin is a skin specialist and her husband a surgeon and they’re very wealthy people with houses in North London, Suffolk and elsewhere. I don’t begrudge them the rewards for what they do and it’s clear that nurses in particular deserve more. |  | | |
| NHS pay on 16:31 - Apr 11 with 616 views | Radlett_blue |
Perhaps they are already paid the going rate? Paying them more will actually leave fewer resources for other necessary investment in the NHS. Government resources are also going to be drastically weakened as the lock-down continues. |  |
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| NHS pay on 06:16 - Apr 12 with 571 views | dickie |
| NHS pay on 16:31 - Apr 11 by Radlett_blue |
Perhaps they are already paid the going rate? Paying them more will actually leave fewer resources for other necessary investment in the NHS. Government resources are also going to be drastically weakened as the lock-down continues. |
As the husband of a nurse, for the work they do, they are definitely NOT paid the going rate. Even comparatively to other countries they are underpaid. The biggest crime the tories have committed is stopping NHS burseries (plus brexit) - there are far fewer nurses training now plus less EU healthcare workers coming. Also working conditions are that bad that often trained nurses change profession by 5 years service - surely that suggests they either need serious financial recompense for the work they do or vastly improved working conditions? | | | |
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