| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators 15:09 - Apr 16 with 3659 views | Tommyparker |
The European Union is using the combined power of it's members states to buy new machines.
The UK was invited to join this scheme in February but did not
How many being built ? Unknown.
Are they ready? No. The EU Procurement process is still ongoing and leaked documents have said that delivery could take anything from 10 weeks to a year.
As reported in The Guardian by Rob Davies Tuesday 14 April. |  | | |  |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 20:08 - Apr 16 with 1184 views | monytowbray |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 19:54 - Apr 16 by StokieBlue |
That's from the article you posted on the subject.
It doesn't say what you're saying. It says the first part of the total 1.3bn over the next two weeks with the rest coming over the next 18 weeks but at unknown times.
Perhaps the article is wrong if there is another source, in which case no problem.
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I posted one link 3 days ago I think. As I said, last I saw that was the figure and the estimates. I tend to read sources on stuff in more than one place, despite the insistence from some I only read The Socialist and The Canary.
But all in all, we’re saying the same thing. £1.3bn in the next two weeks. If the part you feel I’m missing is more coming then surely that just supports my point more?
What am I doubling down on here? The subjective meaning of the word “loads” or the part where I said exactly what “loads” was in context to the word?
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 21:37 - Apr 16 with 1137 views | jeera |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 20:00 - Apr 16 by bluejacko |
Because the sad thing is if someone died using that machine the ambulance chasers and press would be all over it! |
Well, yeah, but at the same time if the design isn't safe then fair enough.
I just want someone to explain to me why.
Preferably in short words that I can understand. |  |
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 21:55 - Apr 16 with 1128 views | BlueBadger |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 18:16 - Apr 16 by jeera |
I am still curious to know what was wrong with Gtech's model.
I have read it didn't meet requirements but beyond that am none the wiser.
If I was lying there fighting for breath I'd rather take my chances with something rather than nothing.
And before anyone says, but what if their model could cause damage, then that's what I'm interested in knowing. |
I'm guessing the answer is 'it wasn't made by a Tory party donor'. [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 10:14]
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 22:32 - Apr 16 with 1103 views | syntaxerror |
Personally, I don't give a sh!t about who did what right and who did what wrong.
I work with people who are Spanish, Italian, German and Czech. I am married to a Polish woman, and my immediate family lives in South Africa. 2 of my best friends live in the USA.
My Prime Minister's (whether I dislike him or not) rehabilitation was assisted by immigrants.
Borders mean nothing to this virus.
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 22:53 - Apr 16 with 1095 views | tractordownsouth |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 18:20 - Apr 16 by Lord_Lucan |
Penlon ventilator by Tommyparker 16 Apr 2020 12:34Penlon's Prima ES02 model is now authorised by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency for use in hospitals. It follows extensive final testing of these devices in hospitals to ensure that they are safe and effective.
The Penlon device is a newly-adapated models, that meets the rapidly manufactured ventilator system specification. It is fully intubated mechanical ventilator designed to provide support to critically ill patients with a range of functions including volume and pressure controlled ventilation.
Following the device's approval, the Government has confirmed today an order of 15,000 Penlon device's.
The first dispatch of Ventilator Challenge devices will be sent to MOD Donnington today and will be delivered to the NHS.
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That's great if they're ready in time, but I still think having eggs in as many baskets as possible can't hurt. |  |
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 00:09 - Apr 17 with 1054 views | pointofblue |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 20:08 - Apr 16 by monytowbray |
I posted one link 3 days ago I think. As I said, last I saw that was the figure and the estimates. I tend to read sources on stuff in more than one place, despite the insistence from some I only read The Socialist and The Canary.
But all in all, we’re saying the same thing. £1.3bn in the next two weeks. If the part you feel I’m missing is more coming then surely that just supports my point more?
What am I doubling down on here? The subjective meaning of the word “loads” or the part where I said exactly what “loads” was in context to the word?
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I think the point is is it’s the first part of £1.3bn coming in the next two weeks - £1.3bn is the overall expenditure but the countries may not see the total benefit for 12 months or maybe longer. | |
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 00:42 - Apr 17 with 1046 views | monytowbray |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 00:09 - Apr 17 by pointofblue |
I think the point is is it’s the first part of £1.3bn coming in the next two weeks - £1.3bn is the overall expenditure but the countries may not see the total benefit for 12 months or maybe longer. |
This was where I read the 1.3 within 2 weeks
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/therese-coffey-lbc-radio-eu-ppe-pro
If that’s inaccurate and it’s as you say then fair enough, but the wording suggests what I said is the case. | |
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 08:33 - Apr 17 with 1010 views | StokieBlue |
That's not the one you originally posted (Guardian) and as you say, is inaccurate. I mean, it's owned by Archant and we know how accurate they are in general with the EADT and Evening Star. It's only got a circulation of 20000. I looked at a few more and they all say "the first of" - this is the only source that I can see which says this.
Given this we can stop saying that they have loads coming in within two weeks right? Criticise the government for not joining all you like but lets be accurate with the facts.
PPE is a horrible problem for everyone.
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 08:40 - Apr 17 with 998 views | monytowbray |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 08:33 - Apr 17 by StokieBlue |
That's not the one you originally posted (Guardian) and as you say, is inaccurate. I mean, it's owned by Archant and we know how accurate they are in general with the EADT and Evening Star. It's only got a circulation of 20000. I looked at a few more and they all say "the first of" - this is the only source that I can see which says this.
Given this we can stop saying that they have loads coming in within two weeks right? Criticise the government for not joining all you like but lets be accurate with the facts.
PPE is a horrible problem for everyone.
SB [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 8:39]
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I linked an article 4 days ago, which isn’t even in this thread, then linked another when asked on a claim.
Yet still you’re here talking about the subjective use of the word “loads”. What is the official threshold for loads exactly?
Yet I’m the argumentative one apparently. You crack on, when I asked if you could be arsed what I meant was “are you really going to pursue such a pointless avenue for the sake of back and forth?” yet here we are 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ | |
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 08:59 - Apr 17 with 979 views | StokieBlue |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 08:40 - Apr 17 by monytowbray |
I linked an article 4 days ago, which isn’t even in this thread, then linked another when asked on a claim.
Yet still you’re here talking about the subjective use of the word “loads”. What is the official threshold for loads exactly?
Yet I’m the argumentative one apparently. You crack on, when I asked if you could be arsed what I meant was “are you really going to pursue such a pointless avenue for the sake of back and forth?” yet here we are 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
I don't need to put a threshold on loads - you've already done it:
"£1.3bn delivered over the next 2 weeks seems like “loads” to me"
You've clearly stated they are getting 1.3bn over the next two weeks and that is "loads". That is incorrect. You can admit to being wrong occasionally. You certainly press the point when you think other people are wrong.
You managed to find one article which supports your point, hours after I asked for it, whilst every other source says what I have said and what your original article says.
It's nothing to do with being argumentative. It's your posting of false information which might make people anxious (lack of PPE for the UK which isn't actually available).
Why do you always fall back on people being "argumentative"? It's not argumentative to point out incorrect statements. If anyone is being argumentative it's you, you could have accepted it was incorrect over a page ago.
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:08 - Apr 17 with 973 views | monytowbray |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 08:59 - Apr 17 by StokieBlue |
I don't need to put a threshold on loads - you've already done it:
"£1.3bn delivered over the next 2 weeks seems like “loads” to me"
You've clearly stated they are getting 1.3bn over the next two weeks and that is "loads". That is incorrect. You can admit to being wrong occasionally. You certainly press the point when you think other people are wrong.
You managed to find one article which supports your point, hours after I asked for it, whilst every other source says what I have said and what your original article says.
It's nothing to do with being argumentative. It's your posting of false information which might make people anxious (lack of PPE for the UK which isn't actually available).
Why do you always fall back on people being "argumentative"? It's not argumentative to point out incorrect statements. If anyone is being argumentative it's you, you could have accepted it was incorrect over a page ago.
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How much are we getting though? Do you know how much and what the official definition of “loads” is?
I said if the £1.3bn is incorrect then fair enough (I was only quoting a source as mentioned) but I have a million and one better things to do than argue with you about the subjective meaning of words. Whatever the figure it’s going to be more than the 0 we get from it.
If it turns out to be 3 masks and 3 gowns per country then maybe you’ll have a point. Otherwise it just comes across like smart ass pedantics. It’s a football forum I swing by periodically and quickly post, not a court of law.
If you want to play that game, I said it “seems” like loads any way. At no point did I say “This is my official numerical threshold for the definition of “loads”. [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 9:10]
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:10 - Apr 17 with 965 views | StokieBlue |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:08 - Apr 17 by monytowbray |
How much are we getting though? Do you know how much and what the official definition of “loads” is?
I said if the £1.3bn is incorrect then fair enough (I was only quoting a source as mentioned) but I have a million and one better things to do than argue with you about the subjective meaning of words. Whatever the figure it’s going to be more than the 0 we get from it.
If it turns out to be 3 masks and 3 gowns per country then maybe you’ll have a point. Otherwise it just comes across like smart ass pedantics. It’s a football forum I swing by periodically and quickly post, not a court of law.
If you want to play that game, I said it “seems” like loads any way. At no point did I say “This is my official numerical threshold for the definition of “loads”. [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 9:10]
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Eh?
You literally gave your definition of loads and I quoted it. You can't say it's subjective if you've quantified it.
I will leave it there, you spend all day "correcting" people but don't like it when it's done to you.
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:16 - Apr 17 with 961 views | monytowbray |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:10 - Apr 17 by StokieBlue |
Eh?
You literally gave your definition of loads and I quoted it. You can't say it's subjective if you've quantified it.
I will leave it there, you spend all day "correcting" people but don't like it when it's done to you.
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You’ve not corrected me on anything, other than state a source may be wrong. The rest is just about the subjective use of a word that was thrown in a thread in passing. If I said “They do have PPE on the way” would you still be as bothered? Does “loads” really do THAT much to distract from the actual point? Is it even the main concern here? That someone you dislike on the internet used a word you subjectively want defined?
This is as desperate as last week when you claimed Glasgow changing a thread to be about ventilators was somehow my doing.
You didn’t leave it anywhere, still couldn’t help but get one last pointless jab in before “leaving it there”.
As I’ve said previously, you ain’t got everybody here fooled. [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 9:17]
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:19 - Apr 17 with 954 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:08 - Apr 17 by monytowbray |
How much are we getting though? Do you know how much and what the official definition of “loads” is?
I said if the £1.3bn is incorrect then fair enough (I was only quoting a source as mentioned) but I have a million and one better things to do than argue with you about the subjective meaning of words. Whatever the figure it’s going to be more than the 0 we get from it.
If it turns out to be 3 masks and 3 gowns per country then maybe you’ll have a point. Otherwise it just comes across like smart ass pedantics. It’s a football forum I swing by periodically and quickly post, not a court of law.
If you want to play that game, I said it “seems” like loads any way. At no point did I say “This is my official numerical threshold for the definition of “loads”. [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 9:10]
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"It’s a football forum I swing by periodically and quickly post, not a court of law"
God help the forum you spend a lot of time on.
Please take that in the spirit it was intended Callis.
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:21 - Apr 17 with 949 views | monytowbray |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:19 - Apr 17 by Lord_Lucan |
"It’s a football forum I swing by periodically and quickly post, not a court of law"
God help the forum you spend a lot of time on.
Please take that in the spirit it was intended Callis.
Have a chuckle. |
I’d rather still be in bed than posting on here most the time, it’s a distraction. | |
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:22 - Apr 17 with 945 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:16 - Apr 17 by monytowbray |
You’ve not corrected me on anything, other than state a source may be wrong. The rest is just about the subjective use of a word that was thrown in a thread in passing. If I said “They do have PPE on the way” would you still be as bothered? Does “loads” really do THAT much to distract from the actual point? Is it even the main concern here? That someone you dislike on the internet used a word you subjectively want defined?
This is as desperate as last week when you claimed Glasgow changing a thread to be about ventilators was somehow my doing.
You didn’t leave it anywhere, still couldn’t help but get one last pointless jab in before “leaving it there”.
As I’ve said previously, you ain’t got everybody here fooled. [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 9:17]
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Are you going to continue to make up sh1t about me? I didn’t change a thread to be about ventilators. I replied to somebody who brought up ventilators.
Take your sh1t elsewhere Callis. It’s getting extremely tedious. |  |
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:24 - Apr 17 with 944 views | StokieBlue |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:16 - Apr 17 by monytowbray |
You’ve not corrected me on anything, other than state a source may be wrong. The rest is just about the subjective use of a word that was thrown in a thread in passing. If I said “They do have PPE on the way” would you still be as bothered? Does “loads” really do THAT much to distract from the actual point? Is it even the main concern here? That someone you dislike on the internet used a word you subjectively want defined?
This is as desperate as last week when you claimed Glasgow changing a thread to be about ventilators was somehow my doing.
You didn’t leave it anywhere, still couldn’t help but get one last pointless jab in before “leaving it there”.
As I’ve said previously, you ain’t got everybody here fooled. [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 9:17]
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"As I’ve said previously, you ain’t got everybody here fooled."
I've asked you numerous times to stop trying to assassinate my character. It's not just me either, how many posters have you told to lay off the booze over the last month?
Everyone can see you are wrong in this instance and that your desperate attempts to deflect from that with attacks on me. To call me desperate just shows how out of touch with reality you really are.
Callis is never wrong, just everyone else.
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:25 - Apr 17 with 943 views | monytowbray |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:22 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you going to continue to make up sh1t about me? I didn’t change a thread to be about ventilators. I replied to somebody who brought up ventilators.
Take your sh1t elsewhere Callis. It’s getting extremely tedious. |
This wasn’t a pop at you. Calm down. I was simply stating you posted something (which I have no issue with) which was then used against me as changing the subject.
Chill. | |
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| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:27 - Apr 17 with 939 views | monytowbray |
| The EU Procurement Scheme for Ventilators on 09:24 - Apr 17 by StokieBlue |
"As I’ve said previously, you ain’t got everybody here fooled."
I've asked you numerous times to stop trying to assassinate my character. It's not just me either, how many posters have you told to lay off the booze over the last month?
Everyone can see you are wrong in this instance and that your desperate attempts to deflect from that with attacks on me. To call me desperate just shows how out of touch with reality you really are.
Callis is never wrong, just everyone else.
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Top tip: If you don’t like me assassinating your character, perhaps you could give it a rest considering you’ve been doing it to me for YEARS?
This will all go the way of my vegan threads anyway where suddenly you start posting the exact same message a couple of years later but never admitting maybe I had a point.
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