| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. 12:54 - Apr 26 with 10994 views | Terry_Nutkins |
Speaks for itself. Even if you couldn't see it clearly yourself, you would have to be a special kind of self important, pig headed and unreasonable sort not to take that information and admit ok, He's probably a lot better than i realised.Pretty much all the players and managers he has worked with rate him as prem quality....and yet....we even had someone a couple of days ago put him in there worst 11 of Evans era. Stupid and disrespectful.
Hopefully when he does hang up his boots he'll get a good send off. |  |
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| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 11:36 - May 1 with 645 views | PhilTWTD |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 14:19 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
We had him on a pre contract I think, he was signed well before his contract ended.
“I had a few options but with Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor in charge at Ipswich, that shows the intent of the club to move forward and I can’t wait to get going.”
At one point I think he was linked with Fulham or Watford.
 Town Confirm Skuse Deal 14th May 2013 10:34Town have confirmed that former Bristol City skipper Cole Skuse has agreed to join the Blues on a three-year contract on July 1st. The 27-year-old midfielder’s terms with his hometown club are up at the end of June.  61
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Simon Clegg told me that was the last deal that was done in his time here, so would have been done Jan/Feb 2013.
Skuse has said previously that Reading were interested in signing him when they got promoted to the Premier League under Steve Coppell. Just noticed that piece says Mick wanted to bring him in in that January.
 Skuse Flattered By Boss's Premier Comments 23rd Aug 2013 06:00Town recruit Cole Skuse was left speechless when he heard boss Mick McCarthy express the view that the ex-Bristol City midfielder was good enough to play in the Premier League. 16
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| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 11:39 - May 1 with 636 views | PhilTWTD |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 14:19 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
If they were he'd have signed for them I imagine. At the tone he signed we were still paying fairly reasonable wages for the league. We managed to get Didz on a free on decent wages in that period too. |
Was a different league at that point. Hardly anyone was paying fees, most deals were free transfers, and wages in the Championship hadn't become as inflated as they are now. Our wage bill was £15 million for that season.
 Town Announce £9.8 Million Loss 5th Dec 2013 22:45Town have announced a loss of £9.776 million in the year to June 2013, down from the previous year’s figure of £15.964 million. The club’s debt rose from £72.481 million to £82.437 million. 28
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| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 12:05 - May 1 with 618 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 12:56 - Apr 30 by Terry_Nutkins |
What are you on about? |
Which bit? Pretty sure that all makes sense, Terry. |  | | |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 12:17 - May 1 with 605 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 13:00 - Apr 30 by Terry_Nutkins |
Your counter argument isnt a counter argument though. Its just saying there are more people who have your opinion (which we already know to be the case) and won't back down when everyone who has ever played and managed skuse say he is superb and massively underated and undervalued. Like to man they have said this. |
I think it's just a case of opinion, as most things are. You surely have to appreciate that not everyone shares your view on Skuse? The fact is, he's a bit marmite, and it's not solely down to people that do or do not understand football, or indeed, his role. You mention that every person that has managed or played with him 'to a man' would have him in their team (not strictly true, I'd imagine), but I say that there are ex-players who do not rate him, fact. So are the ex-players clueless? No. They have a better knowledge than you, I'd hope. Maybe emotion comes into it too....being part of a team is special, and a team mate who is a cracking guy and a decent player will always be up there and held in high regard. The same player maybe not so in the eyes of players that haven't been around him day in, day out.
Consider a player like Marcus Stewart. He doesn't have the divided opinion like Skuse, the large majority love the guy as a player. If you think that's because he was a striker so gets some glory with the goals he scored, consider Micky Stockwell. Hard working 100%er, midfielder. Didn't score many, but he is/was held in high regard by the majority too. Not so marmite as Skuse, I'd suggest.
It's ok Terry, no need to get defensive, some like Cole and some don't. I think he's a bang average and frankly very limited 'holding' midfielder. Respect that, as I respect the view you have, of him being an excellent player. Even if you are wrong [jokes!] | | | |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 12:22 - May 1 with 603 views | Libero |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 12:17 - May 1 by OsborneOneNil |
I think it's just a case of opinion, as most things are. You surely have to appreciate that not everyone shares your view on Skuse? The fact is, he's a bit marmite, and it's not solely down to people that do or do not understand football, or indeed, his role. You mention that every person that has managed or played with him 'to a man' would have him in their team (not strictly true, I'd imagine), but I say that there are ex-players who do not rate him, fact. So are the ex-players clueless? No. They have a better knowledge than you, I'd hope. Maybe emotion comes into it too....being part of a team is special, and a team mate who is a cracking guy and a decent player will always be up there and held in high regard. The same player maybe not so in the eyes of players that haven't been around him day in, day out.
Consider a player like Marcus Stewart. He doesn't have the divided opinion like Skuse, the large majority love the guy as a player. If you think that's because he was a striker so gets some glory with the goals he scored, consider Micky Stockwell. Hard working 100%er, midfielder. Didn't score many, but he is/was held in high regard by the majority too. Not so marmite as Skuse, I'd suggest.
It's ok Terry, no need to get defensive, some like Cole and some don't. I think he's a bang average and frankly very limited 'holding' midfielder. Respect that, as I respect the view you have, of him being an excellent player. Even if you are wrong [jokes!] |
I'm not sure about that. During the majority of his stay at Portman Road Skuse has objectively been in the best performers in his role in the Championship, indeed at one brief point he was statistically the best in Europe.
Cole's interception rate, pass completions, tackle win percentage, KM's covered, etc are all KPI's of this.
I think I'd accept your argument if you could give me a criticism of Cole Skuse that is relevant to his role and quantifiable. I'm yet to read either from anyone on TWTD
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I think the biggest criticism you can give him is that he doesn't impose himself on games, which of course isn't really quantifiable but is a fair anecdotal observation... [Post edited 1 May 2020 12:26]
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| HANG ON on 19:35 - May 1 with 551 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| HANG ON on 10:19 - May 1 by Libero |
You're 100% correct, obviously.
Recently I was listening to a Tifo podcast, I think this one was possibly about the history of formations? or numbering? I really don't remember actually as I've been listening to so many of them recently. Anyway, they were asking the rhetorical question about if players maybe aren't as good at football as they were even 15/20 years ago.
The general consensus was that due to both tactical innovation and a focus on athleticism over the last three decades players have become very good at playing in their particular role but these roles are much more niche and narrow than they used to be.
They actually used the example of centre midfield and the way that what used to be a role for players with all round ability who were equally as good going forwards as they were going backwards has now divested into these various niche roles depending on system and style of play. "Defensive midfielder" isn't really something you'd have heard lots in the lexicon of football in the late 90's and early 00's until Jose Mourinho came in at Chelsea and started playing 4-3-3 with one of the midfield three designated purely to holding infront of the back line.
That's not to say they didn't exist, we all know Geraint Williams did a similar job in the mid 90's for Ipswich but these players were few and far between.
Anyway, because of this I absolutely understand why certain people don't understand or rate the job Skuse or players in his role do. |
That's genuinely really interesting and hadn't thought of.it.like that. I guess football.has become more and more professional and all about winning. In that way sonme players are basically sacrificed to perform a very set role over and above what they are capable. A dream for a manager is a.player who will actually do that but who has genuine quality. | |
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| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 19:38 - May 1 with 545 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 12:05 - May 1 by OsborneOneNil |
Which bit? Pretty sure that all makes sense, Terry. |
I meant the bit about people saying he was one of the best to wear shirt. To be fair to you, in excellent spirit, you said big overexageration after! So all good.. Don' agree but fair enough. [Post edited 1 May 2020 22:55]
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| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 19:40 - May 1 with 541 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 12:17 - May 1 by OsborneOneNil |
I think it's just a case of opinion, as most things are. You surely have to appreciate that not everyone shares your view on Skuse? The fact is, he's a bit marmite, and it's not solely down to people that do or do not understand football, or indeed, his role. You mention that every person that has managed or played with him 'to a man' would have him in their team (not strictly true, I'd imagine), but I say that there are ex-players who do not rate him, fact. So are the ex-players clueless? No. They have a better knowledge than you, I'd hope. Maybe emotion comes into it too....being part of a team is special, and a team mate who is a cracking guy and a decent player will always be up there and held in high regard. The same player maybe not so in the eyes of players that haven't been around him day in, day out.
Consider a player like Marcus Stewart. He doesn't have the divided opinion like Skuse, the large majority love the guy as a player. If you think that's because he was a striker so gets some glory with the goals he scored, consider Micky Stockwell. Hard working 100%er, midfielder. Didn't score many, but he is/was held in high regard by the majority too. Not so marmite as Skuse, I'd suggest.
It's ok Terry, no need to get defensive, some like Cole and some don't. I think he's a bang average and frankly very limited 'holding' midfielder. Respect that, as I respect the view you have, of him being an excellent player. Even if you are wrong [jokes!] |
I completely agree it can be about opinions. But you just have to accept those who play with him week in and week out and every manager to manage him know a lot more than us. It would be ridiculous to argue any other way. [Post edited 1 May 2020 22:55]
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| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 22:58 - May 1 with 514 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 19:38 - May 1 by Terry_Nutkins |
I meant the bit about people saying he was one of the best to wear shirt. To be fair to you, in excellent spirit, you said big overexageration after! So all good.. Don' agree but fair enough. [Post edited 1 May 2020 22:55]
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| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 10:26 - May 2 with 462 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 19:40 - May 1 by Terry_Nutkins |
I completely agree it can be about opinions. But you just have to accept those who play with him week in and week out and every manager to manage him know a lot more than us. It would be ridiculous to argue any other way. [Post edited 1 May 2020 22:55]
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So Roy Keane was right to start Liam Trotter & Jaime Peters together in central midfield? |  |
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| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 13:29 - May 2 with 434 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 10:26 - May 2 by Radlett_blue |
So Roy Keane was right to start Liam Trotter & Jaime Peters together in central midfield? |
Crikey, yeah.
Or MM playing Skuse & Douglas in CM. Or Chambers at RB. Awful. | | | |
| HANG ON on 14:37 - May 2 with 419 views | BryanPlug |
| HANG ON on 16:52 - Apr 27 by Herbivore |
If you're judging Skuse by goals scored you are spectacularly missing the point. Claude Makelele scored 3 goals in 357 appearances for Real Madrid and Chelsea and was widely regarded as an outstanding defensive midfielder. Players that can play that role and score goals are as rare as hen's teeth and tend to command a huge premium. |
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| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 14:52 - May 2 with 403 views | Herbivore |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 13:29 - May 2 by OsborneOneNil |
Crikey, yeah.
Or MM playing Skuse & Douglas in CM. Or Chambers at RB. Awful. |
You're still not over him. Bless. |  |
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| HANG ON on 14:54 - May 2 with 402 views | Herbivore |
| HANG ON on 14:37 - May 2 by BryanPlug |
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In terms of their role, I don't see the issue with the comparison. Nobody is saying he's anywhere near as good as Makele, only the very hardest of thinking would interpret it that way. | |
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| HANG ON on 11:09 - May 3 with 352 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| HANG ON on 14:37 - May 2 by BryanPlug |
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Talk about missing the point! | |
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| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 11:14 - May 3 with 351 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 10:26 - May 2 by Radlett_blue |
So Roy Keane was right to start Liam Trotter & Jaime Peters together in central midfield? |
That's a long way back to try and make a point but failing to make a point relevant to this thread. Were all the players asked if that was a great combination and to man confirmed yes it was? No, great we can move on.
You've gone back about a decade (no idea why so far) to make a case that sometimes managers make odd decision and get it wrong.
This whole thread isn't Skuse gets in the team sometimes so must be good. That would be a thread your post would make sense as an argument against. | |
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