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Speaks for itself. Even if you couldn't see it clearly yourself, you would have to be a special kind of self important, pig headed and unreasonable sort not to take that information and admit ok, He's probably a lot better than i realised.Pretty much all the players and managers he has worked with rate him as prem quality....and yet....we even had someone a couple of days ago put him in there worst 11 of Evans era. Stupid and disrespectful.
Hopefully when he does hang up his boots he'll get a good send off.
Skuse is an average-to-good championship player and compared to the teams and players he has played with is probably better than most.
However he wouldn’t displace any of the central midfield players from 1995-2004. However that is a totally different and irrelevant argument to make in this context.
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Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 18:02 - Apr 26 with 1567 views
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 16:29 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe
And yet neither of them are close to the problem this year, the fact we can't score goals for love nor money.
Our good run at the start of the season involved a load of 1-0 wins even.
I was seeing some analysis of defence and attack, and the guy who does it focuses on 0s and 1s. Rather than total goals scored or conceded.....
Goals scored - 26 times in 36 games we've scored 0 or 1 Goals conceded - 28 times in 36 games we've conceded 0 or 1
So in 77% of games we only conced 1 goal or less, but in only 22% of games we score more than once
Don't question your stats which you have provided but you need to remember that we've been hopeless against top half teams. Not saying Skuse and Chambers are a reason of those awful results but perhaps we should have done a bit better..........after all their experience was going to be vital for us in League One wasn't it?
As for them not being a problem I totally disagree with you. They have been a big problem. They're an integral part of where we have ended up as a team. As RadlettBlue has said they declined. Countless poor performances and mistakes last season were followed by their post-matches nonsenses in which they had been telling us things like: we can still stay up blah blah, there is plenty of fight in the team blah blah blah, we know we need to perform better blah blah blah, etc etc...
Moreover we had people telling us that they both ....'kept the team together during the last seasons nightmare'
How on earth they 'had been keeping the team together' when we ended up as one of the worst Championship teams ever? Bart said the team had DOWNED THE TOOLS even before Lamberts arrival. What could have actually been worse last season without their 'care' ?
I can give you a long list of matches (first one that springs to mind is a perfect assist from Skuse after which Norwich scored in the 2nd minute at Carrow Road last year) in which they had cost us points and goals as they're accountable for relegation too. Not only Hurst and lower leagues' signings are responsible for the disaster. Everyone shares the blame and that includes Skuse and Chambers but they remain the sacred cows in the eyes of some.
And they continue their off the pitch nonsense this season. What great words in their countless interviews !!! Like I said before they are as excellent off the pitch as Lambert.
In the last few years we've had some players having been heavily vilified/insulted/slated for every poor kick, for every mistake. So called scapegoats some of them. Most recently Nsiala, Judge, Douglas and others. Why do the different rules apply to Skuse and Chambers? Because every player has to be fairly judged but them two have been getting away with each poor performance/mistake in the eyes of some.
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Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 18:08 - Apr 26 with 1562 views
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 15:41 - Apr 26 by Chrisd
Stats are misleading, I bet our possession % is one of the best in L1 that’s because we pass the ball around in areas of the pitch which don’t hurt sides and the opposition don’t pressurise us. I prefer to use my eyes when making a judgement.
Flynn Downes is already a better defensive midfielder than Skuse has ever been for us. The reason he makes so many of the teams is because more or less every other centre mid we had under McCarthy was either useless, a loan, or injured every five minutes.
I survived Ipswich 0-0 Burton
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Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 18:19 - Apr 26 with 1549 views
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 18:02 - Apr 26 by Mach_foreignBlue
Don't question your stats which you have provided but you need to remember that we've been hopeless against top half teams. Not saying Skuse and Chambers are a reason of those awful results but perhaps we should have done a bit better..........after all their experience was going to be vital for us in League One wasn't it?
As for them not being a problem I totally disagree with you. They have been a big problem. They're an integral part of where we have ended up as a team. As RadlettBlue has said they declined. Countless poor performances and mistakes last season were followed by their post-matches nonsenses in which they had been telling us things like: we can still stay up blah blah, there is plenty of fight in the team blah blah blah, we know we need to perform better blah blah blah, etc etc...
Moreover we had people telling us that they both ....'kept the team together during the last seasons nightmare'
How on earth they 'had been keeping the team together' when we ended up as one of the worst Championship teams ever? Bart said the team had DOWNED THE TOOLS even before Lamberts arrival. What could have actually been worse last season without their 'care' ?
I can give you a long list of matches (first one that springs to mind is a perfect assist from Skuse after which Norwich scored in the 2nd minute at Carrow Road last year) in which they had cost us points and goals as they're accountable for relegation too. Not only Hurst and lower leagues' signings are responsible for the disaster. Everyone shares the blame and that includes Skuse and Chambers but they remain the sacred cows in the eyes of some.
And they continue their off the pitch nonsense this season. What great words in their countless interviews !!! Like I said before they are as excellent off the pitch as Lambert.
In the last few years we've had some players having been heavily vilified/insulted/slated for every poor kick, for every mistake. So called scapegoats some of them. Most recently Nsiala, Judge, Douglas and others. Why do the different rules apply to Skuse and Chambers? Because every player has to be fairly judged but them two have been getting away with each poor performance/mistake in the eyes of some.
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It's okay Mach, Mick's gone now. He can't hurt you anymore.
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 17:23 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe
You can’t grind out a 1-0 win if you don’t score, we’ve won 6 or 7 games 1-0 this season as it is - there won’t be many teams that have done that.
You keep talking about building a decent defence, the reality is we have one that is good enough currently - it’s the 5 best in the league. In 28 games out of 36 we’ve only conceded at most 1 goal.
Out of all the teams in the top 6, only Coventry have conceded less than us. Every team in there has scored more than us. It seems strange to keep going on about the defence, our defence has been good enough to go up.
Not sure what table you’re looking at? We’ve conceded 36 goals compared to Coventry’s 30, Portsmouth = 34, Sunderland = 30, Fleetwood = 36 and Doncaster = 33. What do they all have in common? They’re above us in the table.
How many clean sheets have we kept against the top 8, the games that really make a difference? 3! During my time as a football fan I haven’t seen too many sides score a hatful of goals, concede a load and end up winning the league or getting promoted. I agree we need to be better at converting our chances (but that’s not my point, that’s yours), but if the defence was decent in those big games we’d remain strong and keep sides out, especially if we’ve nicked a goal and gone ahead.
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 18:22 - Apr 26 by Chrisd
Not sure what table you’re looking at? We’ve conceded 36 goals compared to Coventry’s 30, Portsmouth = 34, Sunderland = 30, Fleetwood = 36 and Doncaster = 33. What do they all have in common? They’re above us in the table.
How many clean sheets have we kept against the top 8, the games that really make a difference? 3! During my time as a football fan I haven’t seen too many sides score a hatful of goals, concede a load and end up winning the league or getting promoted. I agree we need to be better at converting our chances (but that’s not my point, that’s yours), but if the defence was decent in those big games we’d remain strong and keep sides out, especially if we’ve nicked a goal and gone ahead.
Stats are from the BBC Position - Team - Scored - Concede 1st - Coventry - 48 - 30 2nd - Rotherham - 61 - 38 3rd - Oxford - 61 - 37 4th - Portsmouth - 53 -36 5th - Fleetwood - 51 -38 6th - Peterborough - 68 -40 ------------------------------------ 10th - Ipswich - 46 -36
So every team in the top 6 has a better attack than us, but only Coventry have a better defence.
It baffles me that you can continue to blame the defence here - if only they'd done this or that we'd be winning games.
We've played 6 of the top 7 in the last few games and scored 1 goal, a penalty when we were 4-0 down. When we played Sunderland we didn't concede until the 81st minute and had remained strong without scoring, all the other goals bar Coventry were 40 minutes or later.
We've lost 5 games against the top 7 in recent weeks 0-1 - that is utterly pathetic from an attacking standpoint.
We don't 'concede a load' we concede very few, we just score f*ck all.
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 18:02 - Apr 26 by Mach_foreignBlue
Don't question your stats which you have provided but you need to remember that we've been hopeless against top half teams. Not saying Skuse and Chambers are a reason of those awful results but perhaps we should have done a bit better..........after all their experience was going to be vital for us in League One wasn't it?
As for them not being a problem I totally disagree with you. They have been a big problem. They're an integral part of where we have ended up as a team. As RadlettBlue has said they declined. Countless poor performances and mistakes last season were followed by their post-matches nonsenses in which they had been telling us things like: we can still stay up blah blah, there is plenty of fight in the team blah blah blah, we know we need to perform better blah blah blah, etc etc...
Moreover we had people telling us that they both ....'kept the team together during the last seasons nightmare'
How on earth they 'had been keeping the team together' when we ended up as one of the worst Championship teams ever? Bart said the team had DOWNED THE TOOLS even before Lamberts arrival. What could have actually been worse last season without their 'care' ?
I can give you a long list of matches (first one that springs to mind is a perfect assist from Skuse after which Norwich scored in the 2nd minute at Carrow Road last year) in which they had cost us points and goals as they're accountable for relegation too. Not only Hurst and lower leagues' signings are responsible for the disaster. Everyone shares the blame and that includes Skuse and Chambers but they remain the sacred cows in the eyes of some.
And they continue their off the pitch nonsense this season. What great words in their countless interviews !!! Like I said before they are as excellent off the pitch as Lambert.
In the last few years we've had some players having been heavily vilified/insulted/slated for every poor kick, for every mistake. So called scapegoats some of them. Most recently Nsiala, Judge, Douglas and others. Why do the different rules apply to Skuse and Chambers? Because every player has to be fairly judged but them two have been getting away with each poor performance/mistake in the eyes of some.
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Chambers and Skuse get as much stick as anyone, more most likely - just take a look all over social media.
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 20:01 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe
Stats are from the BBC Position - Team - Scored - Concede 1st - Coventry - 48 - 30 2nd - Rotherham - 61 - 38 3rd - Oxford - 61 - 37 4th - Portsmouth - 53 -36 5th - Fleetwood - 51 -38 6th - Peterborough - 68 -40 ------------------------------------ 10th - Ipswich - 46 -36
So every team in the top 6 has a better attack than us, but only Coventry have a better defence.
It baffles me that you can continue to blame the defence here - if only they'd done this or that we'd be winning games.
We've played 6 of the top 7 in the last few games and scored 1 goal, a penalty when we were 4-0 down. When we played Sunderland we didn't concede until the 81st minute and had remained strong without scoring, all the other goals bar Coventry were 40 minutes or later.
We've lost 5 games against the top 7 in recent weeks 0-1 - that is utterly pathetic from an attacking standpoint.
We don't 'concede a load' we concede very few, we just score f*ck all.
Well, I’ve been let down by Phil and Gav not updating the league table! Nevertheless, those games you’ve highlighted are exactly why we need to be better instead of ending up on the wrong end of a 1-0 defeat, we could still get something from the game, even with our inability to convert chances. 3 clean sheets against promotion rivals is a poor return and like I say that’s when we need to be at our best and when it counts most. No point playing 89 minutes and then conceding a soft goal in the last few minutes to lose the game because we aren’t concentrating and switched on until the final whistle.
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 20:20 - Apr 26 by Chrisd
Well, I’ve been let down by Phil and Gav not updating the league table! Nevertheless, those games you’ve highlighted are exactly why we need to be better instead of ending up on the wrong end of a 1-0 defeat, we could still get something from the game, even with our inability to convert chances. 3 clean sheets against promotion rivals is a poor return and like I say that’s when we need to be at our best and when it counts most. No point playing 89 minutes and then conceding a soft goal in the last few minutes to lose the game because we aren’t concentrating and switched on until the final whistle.
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 20:45 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe
And only 3 teams in the league have kept more than us, consistent with our top 6 defence...
Clean Sheets Oxford Utd 15 Peterborough 15 Coventry City 14 Gillingham 13 Ipswich Town 13 Portsmouth 13 Wycombe 13
For all those clean sheets, it's still only 3 against our promotion rivals. In fact, looking more closely and this is why for me the defending is so important and can have a huge impact on our season:
We've played the top 8, 15 times until now, winning 1 against Fleetwood (away), drawing 6 and losing 8. 4 of those draws were score draws - 1-1 Sunderland (home), 2-2 Peterborough (away), 1-1 Coventry (away) and 1-1 Wycombe (away) and 6 of those defeats were 1-0 losses - Portsmouth, Rotherham, Oxford, Fleetwood, Coventry and Sunderland. All ifs and buts I know, but if we had defended better in those games those 4 draws could now be wins and those 6 losses could've been draws, those additional points now added on to our current total. Even if it was only 3 of those games it affected, it would put us right in the promotion shake up.
Although, I do fully understand the point you have been making about our lack of goals throughout this thread, the defence plays a pivotal role too. Keeping clean sheets against Bolton or Southend is a minimum requirement, it's those important games against fellow promotion chasers that is going to define our season and that's where we have come up short defensively.
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 22:00 - Apr 26 by BryanPlug
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If you can't see what has happened around them the last few years then you have no chance!
Neither of them are the future but they have both been excellent servants and i feel sorry for them both in terms of the crumblibg quality around them and the lack.of respect credit they will get from a lot on here (nice to see a good chunk.of support for them)
To be honest as per comments from players on their inclusion Skuse is much more about him as a player and chambers as a captain and influence. This thread was about Skuse. Excellent player. Some may view him less than that and ok, but when he gets listed by fans as 'worst' etc it blows my mind.
But I’m afraid he has held the pivotal role in a team in real decline.
You’re referencing players he’d played with in this deteriorating team as a proof point of his quality.
Again I like Skuse and on his day he can put in a good performance. BUT, when I listen to the interviews with Holland and Magilton and their massive motivation to dominate games and pass AGGRESSIVELY... you realise Skuse is miles away from the player we needed and need.
He has scored really no goals, but more importantly he just grabbed maybe only 1 or 2 games out of 10 by the balls. Just not good enough.
Also a young Flynn Downes in his first full season has showed more guts in a game than perhaps Skuse has show in several recent seasons.
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 15:46 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe
But you only watch Ipswich so pick up on it more - if you watched Peterborough every week and saw Beevers getting done for pace often then you wouldn't hold him up as some great defender.
If Chambers is losing 3 headers and they are losing 2.7 a game it means over the copurse of this season he's lost about 10 more headers than them.
In every area of the team we want to get younger and better, Chambers included - but when we have Nsiala and Wilson in reserve we should be thankful to have him.
You still haven't really addressed the fact we don't create chances or score goals, that is what is killing us - if the defenders look nervy I can't blame them knowing that if we concede one goal we likely won't win - it's enormous pressure. We've scored more than one goal in 5 of our last 22 league games (half a season), and one of those games was the 3-5 defeat at Lincoln.
Focus on the issue, and that is scoring goals
Exactly. Nsiala has always looked a liability & Wilson was an unwanted 3rd tier defender who is 31 & has knocked around the lower leagues for most of his career & certainly isn't better than Chambers. That, sadly, is where Town are at. Chambers is by now an average 3rd tier player but is still worth his place.
Cole Skuse in every team of players who have played with him. on 21:15 - Apr 26 by Chrisd
For all those clean sheets, it's still only 3 against our promotion rivals. In fact, looking more closely and this is why for me the defending is so important and can have a huge impact on our season:
We've played the top 8, 15 times until now, winning 1 against Fleetwood (away), drawing 6 and losing 8. 4 of those draws were score draws - 1-1 Sunderland (home), 2-2 Peterborough (away), 1-1 Coventry (away) and 1-1 Wycombe (away) and 6 of those defeats were 1-0 losses - Portsmouth, Rotherham, Oxford, Fleetwood, Coventry and Sunderland. All ifs and buts I know, but if we had defended better in those games those 4 draws could now be wins and those 6 losses could've been draws, those additional points now added on to our current total. Even if it was only 3 of those games it affected, it would put us right in the promotion shake up.
Although, I do fully understand the point you have been making about our lack of goals throughout this thread, the defence plays a pivotal role too. Keeping clean sheets against Bolton or Southend is a minimum requirement, it's those important games against fellow promotion chasers that is going to define our season and that's where we have come up short defensively.
So in 15 games against top 8 sides, we’ve managed to score twice in just one of those games but yet the defence needs to be doing more?
Chambers in his pomp at Forest would be far too good for us, believe I am right in saying that he won back to back player of the year awards there, however spent some of his prime here playing at RB, effort but not his position, but at 34 he has looked slow at times this year. Time catches up with everyone, has been a fantastic servant and captain at the club, off the pitch as well.
Skuse does what he does well, sweeps and screens but again legs look old. If he was always played in a midfield 3 with two creative midfielders he would be appreciated more. However spent too much time in there with people doing the same job as him (Douglas/Hyam etc)
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