| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 08:45 - May 15 with 2172 views | bluelagos |
Andy Burnham was making same the point the other day.
As ever our London centric decision makers need to be more awake to the needs of the regions. Regional lockdown measures make a lot of sense. Though i can see it makes messaging harder and compliance harder as some people would seek to move from locked down areas to those with more freedoms.
Maybe we will see regional tighening as/when needed. Subtle difference but wouldnt lead to as much resentment. |  |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 08:49 - May 15 with 2157 views | Steve_M |
The Standard reported that as 24 cases per day in London:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/londons-r-rate-now-lowest-in-country-as-c
Evens so, the risk profile here is clearly much improved. However, the reasons that the number of cases has declined so much has been the change in behaviour that has been mandated for the last weeks.
The next stage seems to be 'normal - pubs and sport', what happens then without any contact tracing infrastructure? I fear the London rate will increase again fairly quickly. |  |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 08:55 - May 15 with 2143 views | bluelagos |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 08:49 - May 15 by Steve_M |
The Standard reported that as 24 cases per day in London:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/londons-r-rate-now-lowest-in-country-as-c
Evens so, the risk profile here is clearly much improved. However, the reasons that the number of cases has declined so much has been the change in behaviour that has been mandated for the last weeks.
The next stage seems to be 'normal - pubs and sport', what happens then without any contact tracing infrastructure? I fear the London rate will increase again fairly quickly. |
Anyone calling for a return of sizeable gatherings, like pubs or football, (without social distancing) before we have the trace and contact infrastructure (or a vaccine) up and ready....isn't really grasping the danger of a second wave.
The govt will surely ensure the infrasture is there to contact and trace first. And if that means no pubs til the autumn, then no pubs til the autumn. I think people understand that. | |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:00 - May 15 with 2117 views | SWGF |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 08:55 - May 15 by bluelagos |
Anyone calling for a return of sizeable gatherings, like pubs or football, (without social distancing) before we have the trace and contact infrastructure (or a vaccine) up and ready....isn't really grasping the danger of a second wave.
The govt will surely ensure the infrasture is there to contact and trace first. And if that means no pubs til the autumn, then no pubs til the autumn. I think people understand that. |
While dropping off to sleep, was listening to the Coronavirus podcast from BBC.
They were talking about South Korea's tracing capabilities. One example was that they could trace a breakout to one 27yr old on a night out who didn't know he was infected. But they were able to immediately alert the x number of people he could have potentially come into contact with on that night out, using the triangulation of phone-masts. |  |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:01 - May 15 with 2116 views | Steve_M |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 08:55 - May 15 by bluelagos |
Anyone calling for a return of sizeable gatherings, like pubs or football, (without social distancing) before we have the trace and contact infrastructure (or a vaccine) up and ready....isn't really grasping the danger of a second wave.
The govt will surely ensure the infrasture is there to contact and trace first. And if that means no pubs til the autumn, then no pubs til the autumn. I think people understand that. |
I meant there wouldn't be pubs and sport, but a wider openign up. Trying to show a minus sign didn't work written out. So, yes agree on that point.
The other point on regional differences in relaxing the lockdown is how is travel between them controlled? I want to go and see family but if everyone does that, and just that, does it reduce the point of regional differences? | |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:17 - May 15 with 2087 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:01 - May 15 by Steve_M |
I meant there wouldn't be pubs and sport, but a wider openign up. Trying to show a minus sign didn't work written out. So, yes agree on that point.
The other point on regional differences in relaxing the lockdown is how is travel between them controlled? I want to go and see family but if everyone does that, and just that, does it reduce the point of regional differences? |
France has a travel ban you have to stay within 100km of your home. In Spain travel in restricted to within your local government area.
Both countries have 50% more Police, per capita, so stand a chance of making it work. Fines are hefty.
The UK lacks sufficient Police resource to make it work. |  |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:40 - May 15 with 2050 views | Herbivore |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:17 - May 15 by Pinewoodblue |
France has a travel ban you have to stay within 100km of your home. In Spain travel in restricted to within your local government area.
Both countries have 50% more Police, per capita, so stand a chance of making it work. Fines are hefty.
The UK lacks sufficient Police resource to make it work. |
It's almost like a decade of deep cuts across our public services has left us woefully ill equipped to cope with something like this. |  |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:45 - May 15 with 2043 views | BlueBadger |
Trouble is, I could see a lot of 'second home' types slithering out of the cities to try and 'get a break' and travelling needlessly. |  |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:46 - May 15 with 2040 views | BlueBadger |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 08:55 - May 15 by bluelagos |
Anyone calling for a return of sizeable gatherings, like pubs or football, (without social distancing) before we have the trace and contact infrastructure (or a vaccine) up and ready....isn't really grasping the danger of a second wave.
The govt will surely ensure the infrasture is there to contact and trace first. And if that means no pubs til the autumn, then no pubs til the autumn. I think people understand that. |
I salute your optimism with the second paragraph.. | |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:48 - May 15 with 2031 views | BlueBadger |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:40 - May 15 by Herbivore |
It's almost like a decade of deep cuts across our public services has left us woefully ill equipped to cope with something like this. |
Woah, woah, woah we'll have none of your facts/political point scoring here! | |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:50 - May 15 with 2029 views | bournemouthblue |
There's a case for devolved regional government, it's interesting how they have often posted graphs of all the regions for comparison
I'm sure both the East and South West could be eased sooner than the large metropolitan regions for example although it maybe the case that we have lower overall capacity than the larger metropolitan hospitals [Post edited 15 May 2020 9:52]
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:52 - May 15 with 2017 views | giant_stow |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:45 - May 15 by BlueBadger |
Trouble is, I could see a lot of 'second home' types slithering out of the cities to try and 'get a break' and travelling needlessly. |
'slithering'?! |  |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 10:12 - May 15 with 1975 views | Guthrum |
That would work only if it were possible to cut off all travel links between the different areas. It could be done, but you'd be talking army roadblocks on roads and patrolling the countryside.
Particularly difficult with London, as it is the main transport hub for a large part of the country. |  |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 10:37 - May 15 with 1956 views | Radlett_blue |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 08:45 - May 15 by bluelagos |
Andy Burnham was making same the point the other day.
As ever our London centric decision makers need to be more awake to the needs of the regions. Regional lockdown measures make a lot of sense. Though i can see it makes messaging harder and compliance harder as some people would seek to move from locked down areas to those with more freedoms.
Maybe we will see regional tighening as/when needed. Subtle difference but wouldnt lead to as much resentment. |
I was promoting this idea around the family dinner table last night, but was shouted down on the grounds it would be seen as unfair & would prove to be unworkable. I think there is logic behind it, but it will be difficult to do in the face of a media who will easily find a few hundred contradictions. |  |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 10:40 - May 15 with 1950 views | sparks |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 10:37 - May 15 by Radlett_blue |
I was promoting this idea around the family dinner table last night, but was shouted down on the grounds it would be seen as unfair & would prove to be unworkable. I think there is logic behind it, but it will be difficult to do in the face of a media who will easily find a few hundred contradictions. |
Youd get people travelling from locked down areas to place where they can go out and have fun... |  |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 11:12 - May 15 with 1929 views | Leaky |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:17 - May 15 by Pinewoodblue |
France has a travel ban you have to stay within 100km of your home. In Spain travel in restricted to within your local government area.
Both countries have 50% more Police, per capita, so stand a chance of making it work. Fines are hefty.
The UK lacks sufficient Police resource to make it work. |
Did a job for a police officer on Monday. He claimed they were bored with very little to do. Just reminding people who were not social distancing to do so. He claimed the only people getting fined were drug dealers, as it was easier to fine them for not social distancing than far dealing drugs. Also claimed domestic abuse call outs are down due to pubs being closed. |  | | |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 12:20 - May 15 with 1893 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 11:12 - May 15 by Leaky |
Did a job for a police officer on Monday. He claimed they were bored with very little to do. Just reminding people who were not social distancing to do so. He claimed the only people getting fined were drug dealers, as it was easier to fine them for not social distancing than far dealing drugs. Also claimed domestic abuse call outs are down due to pubs being closed. |
In an ideal world being a police officer should be a boring job. | |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 12:23 - May 15 with 1887 views | Herbivore |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 11:12 - May 15 by Leaky |
Did a job for a police officer on Monday. He claimed they were bored with very little to do. Just reminding people who were not social distancing to do so. He claimed the only people getting fined were drug dealers, as it was easier to fine them for not social distancing than far dealing drugs. Also claimed domestic abuse call outs are down due to pubs being closed. |
I'm calling bullish!t on this. | |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 13:32 - May 15 with 1830 views | Herbivore |
Indeed. The bit about drug dealers is also very clearly made up. I don't understand the mentality of people that feel the need to make stuff up like that. It's very odd. | |
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| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 13:34 - May 15 with 1827 views | Steve_M |
| The case for a regional relaxation of lockdown? on 09:40 - May 15 by Herbivore |
It's almost like a decade of deep cuts across our public services has left us woefully ill equipped to cope with something like this. |
Whilst that's undoubtedly true, the UK also lacks the sort of civil police of Spain or France as there has been little need for one. This, perhaps, a case where one might be useful. | |
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