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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) 13:15 - May 19 with 2699 viewsMaySixth


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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:23 - May 19 with 929 viewsBrixtonBlue

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 14:22 - May 19 by SpruceMoose

Why not allow 11th and 12th place to get involved then?

We aren't being punished for a global pandemic. We are being punished because we have a crap manager and a team of players who didn't play well enough.

It's not hard to see how people could disagree with your stance surely? It's not personal, and it doesn't make you wrong, but other points of view are available.
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I've not said 11th and 12th shouldn't be involved!

My view is purely based on facts and logic - that teams with a chance before CV-19 should have one after. It's probably not practical but it is logical!

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:26 - May 19 with 925 viewsBrixtonBlue

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 14:59 - May 19 by BlueBadger

Can someone email Dollers, Paul Lambert has hijacked his TWTD account.


If we take part and fail again, there would be more chance of Lambert being sacked. As it stands he has a get out clause and you're going to be stuck with him.

Just think about that!

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:27 - May 19 with 925 viewsBrixtonBlue

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 15:06 - May 19 by BlueBadger

Any promotion we gained from this would be even more undeserved than Watford in 1998.


Have Watford cared about that in the years since?

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:31 - May 19 with 916 viewsSwansea_Blue

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:23 - May 19 by BrixtonBlue

I've not said 11th and 12th shouldn't be involved!

My view is purely based on facts and logic - that teams with a chance before CV-19 should have one after. It's probably not practical but it is logical!


Is there a way to quickly see which teams mathematically could make the playoffs or be relegated? It'd be interesting to see that list - it's probably quite long and then you may as well play the rest of the season.

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:49 - May 19 with 898 viewsHerbivore

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:20 - May 19 by BrixtonBlue

I'm not really saying where the line should be drawn, just in principle it has merit.

Don't know where you get your <1% chance from but I suspect you've just made that up. We had a relatively easy run-in and our better players coming back.


We were also in diabolical form with a 7 point gap to make up having played a game (or two) more than our rivals. Less than 1% looks about right to me.

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:51 - May 19 with 892 viewshaynes_toe1

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:49 - May 19 by Herbivore

We were also in diabolical form with a 7 point gap to make up having played a game (or two) more than our rivals. Less than 1% looks about right to me.


Factor in the reality of having Lambert in charge and a 1% probability is halved anyway.
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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:52 - May 19 with 892 viewsHerbivore

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:31 - May 19 by Swansea_Blue

Is there a way to quickly see which teams mathematically could make the playoffs or be relegated? It'd be interesting to see that list - it's probably quite long and then you may as well play the rest of the season.


Tranmere in the final relegation spot can still finish on 62 points if they win every game. 6th place currently have 59 points. Include them all I say.

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:54 - May 19 with 888 viewsJDB23

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:20 - May 19 by BrixtonBlue

I'm not really saying where the line should be drawn, just in principle it has merit.

Don't know where you get your <1% chance from but I suspect you've just made that up. We had a relatively easy run-in and our better players coming back.


If you look at the teams in 8th place and above, they are averaging around 1.71+ PPG. If you apply that over the remaining games they would finish on around 75 points. That means we would need 23 points from 8 games to match that, that would never have happened. Even if teams slightly dropped off and we picked up, there are just too many teams above us and too big a gap for it to matter.

Wasn't there some analysis done on like 20,000 scenarios that put our chances of promotion at around 1%? You can cling to the mathematical possibility all you like, we had no chance of going up had the season continued.
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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:57 - May 19 with 879 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:54 - May 19 by JDB23

If you look at the teams in 8th place and above, they are averaging around 1.71+ PPG. If you apply that over the remaining games they would finish on around 75 points. That means we would need 23 points from 8 games to match that, that would never have happened. Even if teams slightly dropped off and we picked up, there are just too many teams above us and too big a gap for it to matter.

Wasn't there some analysis done on like 20,000 scenarios that put our chances of promotion at around 1%? You can cling to the mathematical possibility all you like, we had no chance of going up had the season continued.


The very sophisticated modelling on fivethirtyeight has us at less than 1% chance

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/league-one/

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 17:24 - May 19 with 867 viewsBlueBadger

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:26 - May 19 by BrixtonBlue

If we take part and fail again, there would be more chance of Lambert being sacked. As it stands he has a get out clause and you're going to be stuck with him.

Just think about that!


I think the problem here is that rather than giving him a new contract in December, we should have asked him last May.

I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 19:52 - May 19 with 843 viewsBrixtonBlue

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 16:52 - May 19 by Herbivore

Tranmere in the final relegation spot can still finish on 62 points if they win every game. 6th place currently have 59 points. Include them all I say.


Funny how you give us less than 1% chance but you also give Tranmere a chance, who are TWENTY points behind us!

You want us to fail.

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 20:16 - May 19 with 831 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 19:52 - May 19 by BrixtonBlue

Funny how you give us less than 1% chance but you also give Tranmere a chance, who are TWENTY points behind us!

You want us to fail.


Sarcasm is really lost on you isn’t it?

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 20:24 - May 19 with 824 viewsHerbivore

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 19:52 - May 19 by BrixtonBlue

Funny how you give us less than 1% chance but you also give Tranmere a chance, who are TWENTY points behind us!

You want us to fail.


Dry your eyes, Dollers.

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 21:51 - May 19 with 797 viewsBtreeBlueBlood

Div 2 will want an extended play off if div 1 does!

The championship may then want it as well!
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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) (n/t) on 08:58 - May 20 with 753 viewsBtreeBlueBlood

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 10:53 - May 20 with 725 viewsBrixtonBlue

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 20:24 - May 19 by Herbivore

Dry your eyes, Dollers.


The irony here is that I'm not one of the ones crying about being embarrassed because we wouldn't be 'doing it the proper way.'

Some of you are coming across very British, stiff upper lip, marching slowly across no-man's land. Feck that. As SomethingBlue said, we've have very little luck over the last couple of decades. Let's embrace it if we get some.

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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 11:05 - May 20 with 713 viewsJakeITFC

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 19:52 - May 19 by BrixtonBlue

Funny how you give us less than 1% chance but you also give Tranmere a chance, who are TWENTY points behind us!

You want us to fail.


There are an infinite amount of possible % chances below 1.
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We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 11:46 - May 20 with 696 viewsRadlett_blue

We don't deserve to be in any extended play-offs (n/t) on 21:51 - May 19 by BtreeBlueBlood

Div 2 will want an extended play off if div 1 does!

The championship may then want it as well!


The latest bonkers proposal for half the division to go into a hideous play off lottery is designed to silence the protests from MacAnthony etc. Whatever is decided, someone is going to be unhappy.

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