| League One cap proposals 10:18 - May 20 with 4400 views | monty_radio |
According to Telegraph, and as from 2021:
1) Total squad salary bill £2.5m
2) 20 senior players only in squad (age 21+)
3) Of whom 8 are home-grown
You'd think that last requirement would require 2/3 seasons to implement, and also ensure a gradual, but massive drop in standards
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| League One cap proposals on 15:44 - May 20 with 596 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| League One cap proposals on 15:35 - May 20 by itfcjoe |
How can the same budget be proposed as sustainable for Sunderland and Accrington?
One is covered 2 times over by gate receipts, the other is higher than its turnover |
Its a cap. Accrington could pay less.
You can't base League 1 proposals on an anomaly of one of the biggest grounds in the country. |  |
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| League One cap proposals on 16:03 - May 20 with 589 views | Chrisd |
| League One cap proposals on 15:35 - May 20 by itfcjoe |
How can the same budget be proposed as sustainable for Sunderland and Accrington?
One is covered 2 times over by gate receipts, the other is higher than its turnover |
It's a really good idea if clubs are going to survive long term. The financial side of the game has got massively out of hand to the point where clubs are surviving on a knife edge, it just isn't sustainable. The Championship is where it really needs to be enforced, but it's whether clubs buy into the concept. I suppose having a salary cap you don't have to spend right up to the hilt, if you are a smaller club, like Accrington Stanley with less financial clout, you can pay less, but it gives you a surplus for a rainy day. [Post edited 20 May 2020 16:06]
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| League One cap proposals on 16:07 - May 20 with 582 views | itfcjoe |
| League One cap proposals on 15:44 - May 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Its a cap. Accrington could pay less.
You can't base League 1 proposals on an anomaly of one of the biggest grounds in the country. |
It’s not a sustainable figure for half the clubs in the division. And punishes clubs who can go and earn more money through merchandising, ticket sales, etc.
Anything not linked to turnover, which already exists in L1 and L2, is utterly pointless and just will lead to the third tier getting further and further away from the 2nd
The numbers of players in the squad is way too low also, and any clubs at this level with Cat 1 and 2 academies may as well shut them |  |
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| League One cap proposals on 16:09 - May 20 with 578 views | itfcjoe |
| League One cap proposals on 16:03 - May 20 by Chrisd |
It's a really good idea if clubs are going to survive long term. The financial side of the game has got massively out of hand to the point where clubs are surviving on a knife edge, it just isn't sustainable. The Championship is where it really needs to be enforced, but it's whether clubs buy into the concept. I suppose having a salary cap you don't have to spend right up to the hilt, if you are a smaller club, like Accrington Stanley with less financial clout, you can pay less, but it gives you a surplus for a rainy day. [Post edited 20 May 2020 16:06]
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It doesn’t help clubs survive long terms, it hamstrings some and makes the majority just as unsustainable as they currently are! | |
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| League One cap proposals on 17:02 - May 20 with 552 views | Chrisd |
| League One cap proposals on 16:09 - May 20 by itfcjoe |
It doesn’t help clubs survive long terms, it hamstrings some and makes the majority just as unsustainable as they currently are! |
Of course it does. If things are left to just carry on as they are clubs will simply fold. Putting in place a wage cap is the logical step, it will stop clubs massively overspending, while putting them in a stronger and healthier position. The problematic point will be getting teams to buy in to the concept, it needs to be implemented throughout. [Post edited 20 May 2020 17:05]
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| League One cap proposals on 17:07 - May 20 with 544 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| League One cap proposals on 16:07 - May 20 by itfcjoe |
It’s not a sustainable figure for half the clubs in the division. And punishes clubs who can go and earn more money through merchandising, ticket sales, etc.
Anything not linked to turnover, which already exists in L1 and L2, is utterly pointless and just will lead to the third tier getting further and further away from the 2nd
The numbers of players in the squad is way too low also, and any clubs at this level with Cat 1 and 2 academies may as well shut them |
They don't have to spend 2.5m, it's a cap which makes the playing field more level. | |
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| League One cap proposals on 17:52 - May 20 with 523 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| League One cap proposals on 17:02 - May 20 by Chrisd |
Of course it does. If things are left to just carry on as they are clubs will simply fold. Putting in place a wage cap is the logical step, it will stop clubs massively overspending, while putting them in a stronger and healthier position. The problematic point will be getting teams to buy in to the concept, it needs to be implemented throughout. [Post edited 20 May 2020 17:05]
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Agreed. | |
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| League One cap proposals on 17:55 - May 20 with 521 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| League One cap proposals on 16:09 - May 20 by itfcjoe |
It doesn’t help clubs survive long terms, it hamstrings some and makes the majority just as unsustainable as they currently are! |
A wage cap levels the playing field for the smaller clubs in the league.
So called big clubs shouldn't be afraid of playing on a more level playing field.
The issue is, a cap would also need to be implemented in the sh1t fest that is the Championship... and that won't happen. | |
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| League One cap proposals on 17:57 - May 20 with 520 views | tractorboy1978 |
| League One cap proposals on 17:02 - May 20 by Chrisd |
Of course it does. If things are left to just carry on as they are clubs will simply fold. Putting in place a wage cap is the logical step, it will stop clubs massively overspending, while putting them in a stronger and healthier position. The problematic point will be getting teams to buy in to the concept, it needs to be implemented throughout. [Post edited 20 May 2020 17:05]
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How is an arbitrary cap of £2.5m more sustainable than a cap linked to a % of turnover? | | | |
| League One cap proposals on 18:00 - May 20 with 518 views | pointofblue |
| League One cap proposals on 17:55 - May 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
A wage cap levels the playing field for the smaller clubs in the league.
So called big clubs shouldn't be afraid of playing on a more level playing field.
The issue is, a cap would also need to be implemented in the sh1t fest that is the Championship... and that won't happen. |
Exactly - the cap idea is sound but dare I say it needs to be implemented from the Premier League down to work. | |
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| League One cap proposals on 18:22 - May 20 with 496 views | itfcjoe |
| League One cap proposals on 17:02 - May 20 by Chrisd |
Of course it does. If things are left to just carry on as they are clubs will simply fold. Putting in place a wage cap is the logical step, it will stop clubs massively overspending, while putting them in a stronger and healthier position. The problematic point will be getting teams to buy in to the concept, it needs to be implemented throughout. [Post edited 20 May 2020 17:05]
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How is it better than a wage cap linked to the clubs turnover, which is already in place?
That is surely much better than an arbitrary number which is unsustainable for some clubs, and the opposite for others? | |
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| League One cap proposals on 18:25 - May 20 with 491 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| League One cap proposals on 18:00 - May 20 by pointofblue |
Exactly - the cap idea is sound but dare I say it needs to be implemented from the Premier League down to work. |
To be fair, the Premier League (before lockdown) didn't need a wage cap, as the club's made enough money to cover costs.
But the Championship downwards is an utter mess. | |
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| League One cap proposals on 18:26 - May 20 with 501 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| League One cap proposals on 18:22 - May 20 by itfcjoe |
How is it better than a wage cap linked to the clubs turnover, which is already in place?
That is surely much better than an arbitrary number which is unsustainable for some clubs, and the opposite for others? |
I take your first point.
But I'm not sure how a wage cap is unsustainable for some? | |
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| League One cap proposals on 18:40 - May 20 with 485 views | itfcjoe |
| League One cap proposals on 18:26 - May 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I take your first point.
But I'm not sure how a wage cap is unsustainable for some? |
It will allow a lot of teams to spend an unsustainable amount on wages which anything turnover based shouldn’t in theory | |
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| League One cap proposals on 18:43 - May 20 with 487 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| League One cap proposals on 18:40 - May 20 by itfcjoe |
It will allow a lot of teams to spend an unsustainable amount on wages which anything turnover based shouldn’t in theory |
I see what you mean. Unsustainable if they choose to be so.
I guess it at least caps that level.
The only problem with the turnover % is that it potentially stops well managed / backed clubs from ever growing. | |
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| League One cap proposals on 19:19 - May 20 with 475 views | pointofblue |
| League One cap proposals on 18:25 - May 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
To be fair, the Premier League (before lockdown) didn't need a wage cap, as the club's made enough money to cover costs.
But the Championship downwards is an utter mess. |
Though all that will happen is the Premier League will be one a closed shop whilst the rest plod on on peanuts. The Premier League needs to be brought back towards the EFL rather than be cast adrift. | |
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| League One cap proposals on 19:25 - May 20 with 473 views | JamestownPrince |
| League One cap proposals on 13:14 - May 20 by monty_radio |
What else might they mean? |
Pinewood makes a good point
It might mean that, but it may align towards Cricket with residence rules, or when a player has been at a club for say over 3 years | | | |
| League One cap proposals on 19:53 - May 20 with 460 views | monty_radio |
| League One cap proposals on 19:25 - May 20 by JamestownPrince |
Pinewood makes a good point
It might mean that, but it may align towards Cricket with residence rules, or when a player has been at a club for say over 3 years |
I didn't actually know what they meant. That's why I asked him. Your explanation sounds like it might be among their possible interpretaions | |
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| League One cap proposals on 20:04 - May 20 with 453 views | JamestownPrince |
| League One cap proposals on 19:53 - May 20 by monty_radio |
I didn't actually know what they meant. That's why I asked him. Your explanation sounds like it might be among their possible interpretaions |
Although the words "Commonsense and Football" rarely meet :-) | | | |
| League One cap proposals on 20:21 - May 20 with 438 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| League One cap proposals on 19:19 - May 20 by pointofblue |
Though all that will happen is the Premier League will be one a closed shop whilst the rest plod on on peanuts. The Premier League needs to be brought back towards the EFL rather than be cast adrift. |
Any chance of that happening ended about 28 years ago. | |
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| League One cap proposals on 20:27 - May 20 with 435 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| League One cap proposals on 19:19 - May 20 by pointofblue |
Though all that will happen is the Premier League will be one a closed shop whilst the rest plod on on peanuts. The Premier League needs to be brought back towards the EFL rather than be cast adrift. |
Any chance of that happening ended about 28 years ago. | |
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| League One cap proposals on 20:28 - May 20 with 434 views | Swansea_Blue |
| League One cap proposals on 16:07 - May 20 by itfcjoe |
It’s not a sustainable figure for half the clubs in the division. And punishes clubs who can go and earn more money through merchandising, ticket sales, etc.
Anything not linked to turnover, which already exists in L1 and L2, is utterly pointless and just will lead to the third tier getting further and further away from the 2nd
The numbers of players in the squad is way too low also, and any clubs at this level with Cat 1 and 2 academies may as well shut them |
I think it’s a stupid idea in isolation, for all those reasons. And it artificially forces a disparity between L1 and the Championship that will probably only grow over time.
If it was a proposal for all leagues, with decreasing caps moving down the pyramids then fair enough (but would need to cover all leagues in all nations if we weren’t to hamstring english clubs). |  |
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| League One cap proposals on 07:00 - May 21 with 381 views | Chrisd |
| League One cap proposals on 20:28 - May 20 by Swansea_Blue |
I think it’s a stupid idea in isolation, for all those reasons. And it artificially forces a disparity between L1 and the Championship that will probably only grow over time.
If it was a proposal for all leagues, with decreasing caps moving down the pyramids then fair enough (but would need to cover all leagues in all nations if we weren’t to hamstring english clubs). |
Agree with your suggestion regarding all leagues. This pandemic has highlighted how fragile football finances are, where in most cases, clubs' foundations are built on sand. Having something like this in place will put clubs on a better financial footing, which they currently lack and give some semblance of power back to them, where at the moment it is heavily in the player's favour. However, I can’t see the majority of owners agreeing to this move, especially in the Championship, where they need it most. [Post edited 21 May 2020 16:24]
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