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EFL statement just now. Playoffs only 4 teams 13:42 - May 21 with 5631 viewsIllinoisblue

As it should be. Lambert out.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:24 - May 21 with 1355 viewsBrixtonBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:20 - May 21 by Libero

You can't say that with certainty as you're not aware of the breakers/clauses in Lambert's contract. In theory what you're saying makes sense but it requires a level of assumption and quite a leap.


I don't think it's "quite a leap" to suggest there won't be a pandemic clause in Lambert's contract, because it was signed before the virus existed.

I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption that Lambert can claim we failed to make promotion through CV-19, not him, and thus now can't be sacked.

We shall see in due course.

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EFL statement just now. Playoffs only 4 teams on 15:29 - May 21 with 1345 viewsTheTrueBlue1878

Said this last week, that was told to me from a player. Going on PPG, I cannot weight for D.Mac at Peterboro to flip his lid.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:34 - May 21 with 1328 viewspatrickswell

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:24 - May 21 by BrixtonBlue

I don't think it's "quite a leap" to suggest there won't be a pandemic clause in Lambert's contract, because it was signed before the virus existed.

I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption that Lambert can claim we failed to make promotion through CV-19, not him, and thus now can't be sacked.

We shall see in due course.


Providing we’re not in a relegation scrap at any point over the next few years, I don’t think Evans will sack Lambert anytime soon. He wants what Mick was able to give him, stability and no reason to get overly involved in things. Mediocrity in League One will sit even more comfortably with Evans than it did in the Championship, especially if the proposed salary cap goes through, not to mention the probable need for economies in a post COVID-19 world. All he needs is for us to stay stable and if we can have a good season, then all we’ll and good. In the meantime, he’s paying Lambert to try and deliver stability within the confines of some vague vision, and if Portman Road is operating behind closed doors and the fans aren’t there to start protesting then it’s a win for him. He just needs basic competency from his manager and is sick and tired of them letting him down in that respect...
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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:47 - May 21 with 1308 viewssparks

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:34 - May 21 by patrickswell

Providing we’re not in a relegation scrap at any point over the next few years, I don’t think Evans will sack Lambert anytime soon. He wants what Mick was able to give him, stability and no reason to get overly involved in things. Mediocrity in League One will sit even more comfortably with Evans than it did in the Championship, especially if the proposed salary cap goes through, not to mention the probable need for economies in a post COVID-19 world. All he needs is for us to stay stable and if we can have a good season, then all we’ll and good. In the meantime, he’s paying Lambert to try and deliver stability within the confines of some vague vision, and if Portman Road is operating behind closed doors and the fans aren’t there to start protesting then it’s a win for him. He just needs basic competency from his manager and is sick and tired of them letting him down in that respect...


I think that is nonsense. An owner who simply wanted an easy life in a low division wouldnt continue investing as he has.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:48 - May 21 with 1306 viewsBrixtonBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:34 - May 21 by patrickswell

Providing we’re not in a relegation scrap at any point over the next few years, I don’t think Evans will sack Lambert anytime soon. He wants what Mick was able to give him, stability and no reason to get overly involved in things. Mediocrity in League One will sit even more comfortably with Evans than it did in the Championship, especially if the proposed salary cap goes through, not to mention the probable need for economies in a post COVID-19 world. All he needs is for us to stay stable and if we can have a good season, then all we’ll and good. In the meantime, he’s paying Lambert to try and deliver stability within the confines of some vague vision, and if Portman Road is operating behind closed doors and the fans aren’t there to start protesting then it’s a win for him. He just needs basic competency from his manager and is sick and tired of them letting him down in that respect...


I disagree. Evans has to prop us up even more in League 1 due to the lost TV revenue. There's also less kudos and PR to be gained from owning a League 1 club. He'll want us up, no doubt.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 16:07 - May 21 with 1279 viewsLibero

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:24 - May 21 by BrixtonBlue

I don't think it's "quite a leap" to suggest there won't be a pandemic clause in Lambert's contract, because it was signed before the virus existed.

I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption that Lambert can claim we failed to make promotion through CV-19, not him, and thus now can't be sacked.

We shall see in due course.


You're arguing a point that I never actually put to you.
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I tell you what Dolly why don't you..... on 16:33 - May 21 with 1250 viewsBloots

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:00 - May 21 by BrixtonBlue

All you lot hoping this will get rid of Lambert are deluded. The opposite will happen - he will have an excuse that we could've made the play offs, now we can't.

It's been hilarious watching the more vocal Lambert-outers also calling these extended play offs a disgrace. You've got what you wanted... but now you're also stuck with him!

BCWYWF!


….go and have an argument with someone.

For a change.

Lambert out.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 23:58 - May 21 with 1195 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:00 - May 21 by BrixtonBlue

All you lot hoping this will get rid of Lambert are deluded. The opposite will happen - he will have an excuse that we could've made the play offs, now we can't.

It's been hilarious watching the more vocal Lambert-outers also calling these extended play offs a disgrace. You've got what you wanted... but now you're also stuck with him!

BCWYWF!


Agree that this could make it more difficult. Clearly no one knows the exact details of his contract, but if as rumoured there are clauses that make it cheaper to sack him having failed to get promoted, I suspect Lambert may have a case that the season was not completed as expected. Force majeure clauses or similar may apply

Not sure why you link that with people calling the extended playoffs a disgrace though. Perhaps those people are just judging things on their own merits, rather than having their views and principles change when people/a team they support benefit?

The attempt to extend the playoffs was pretty obviously an attempt by a small number of big clubs to get themselves included in a playoff they wouldn’t otherwise qualify for - and in our case most certainly didn’t deserve to be a part of. I think that is why most people considered it a disgrace

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 08:27 - May 22 with 1144 viewsBrixtonBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 16:07 - May 21 by Libero

You're arguing a point that I never actually put to you.


What?!

I said he can't be sacked now because he can say we didn't make the play offs due to CV-19.

You said I'm making assumptions and a leap about what his break clauses are.

I said I don't think it's a massive assumption/leap to say there won't be a CV-19 clause.

What am I missing?!

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 08:35 - May 22 with 1141 viewsBrixtonBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 23:58 - May 21 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

Agree that this could make it more difficult. Clearly no one knows the exact details of his contract, but if as rumoured there are clauses that make it cheaper to sack him having failed to get promoted, I suspect Lambert may have a case that the season was not completed as expected. Force majeure clauses or similar may apply

Not sure why you link that with people calling the extended playoffs a disgrace though. Perhaps those people are just judging things on their own merits, rather than having their views and principles change when people/a team they support benefit?

The attempt to extend the playoffs was pretty obviously an attempt by a small number of big clubs to get themselves included in a playoff they wouldn’t otherwise qualify for - and in our case most certainly didn’t deserve to be a part of. I think that is why most people considered it a disgrace


Nevertheless, if we'd gone with it and Lambert failed again (which seems likely) then he could have no complaints at his sacking.

I admire people sticking to their principles, just pointing out that doing it the 'fair' way (according to them) means we're now stuck with Lambert for the foreseeable.

People were wishing the extended play offs wouldn't happen and were wishing Lambert would get fired. Unfortunately you couldn't have both those wishes come true.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 08:41 - May 22 with 1133 viewsNewcyBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 15:24 - May 21 by BrixtonBlue

I don't think it's "quite a leap" to suggest there won't be a pandemic clause in Lambert's contract, because it was signed before the virus existed.

I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption that Lambert can claim we failed to make promotion through CV-19, not him, and thus now can't be sacked.

We shall see in due course.


Reasonable that Lambert can claim that it was because of Covid that we didn’t make the playoffs?

We are 20th in the form table over the last 6 games. Since the New Year we are 11th in the form table.

We have gotten worse, not better.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 08:45 - May 22 with 1128 viewsBrixtonBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 08:41 - May 22 by NewcyBlue

Reasonable that Lambert can claim that it was because of Covid that we didn’t make the playoffs?

We are 20th in the form table over the last 6 games. Since the New Year we are 11th in the form table.

We have gotten worse, not better.


No, it's a reasonable ASSUMPTION that he could make that claim. Not the claim itself is reasonable.

It helps if you read properly.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 08:46 - May 22 with 1126 viewsNewcyBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 08:45 - May 22 by BrixtonBlue

No, it's a reasonable ASSUMPTION that he could make that claim. Not the claim itself is reasonable.

It helps if you read properly.


Alright mate. Stop getting your knickers in a twist.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:15 - May 22 with 1105 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 08:35 - May 22 by BrixtonBlue

Nevertheless, if we'd gone with it and Lambert failed again (which seems likely) then he could have no complaints at his sacking.

I admire people sticking to their principles, just pointing out that doing it the 'fair' way (according to them) means we're now stuck with Lambert for the foreseeable.

People were wishing the extended play offs wouldn't happen and were wishing Lambert would get fired. Unfortunately you couldn't have both those wishes come true.


Not sure why you think people can’t still hope that Lambert gets sacked - it may (emphasis on may as no one knows) be more expensive for Evans now but that doesn’t mean he can’t take the plunge, or indeed shouldn’t as another season of failure will presumably be more costly

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:19 - May 22 with 1101 viewsBrixtonBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 08:46 - May 22 by NewcyBlue

Alright mate. Stop getting your knickers in a twist.


Haha, come on Newcy. My knickers aren't in a twist, just hold your hands up and admit you read it wrong!

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:22 - May 22 with 1097 viewsBrixtonBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:15 - May 22 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

Not sure why you think people can’t still hope that Lambert gets sacked - it may (emphasis on may as no one knows) be more expensive for Evans now but that doesn’t mean he can’t take the plunge, or indeed shouldn’t as another season of failure will presumably be more costly


Oh I quite agree with you. And I'm not saying people can't hope. I'm just saying it's now not going to happen (or at least much much less likely).

If the sacking clause is not making the play offs (if there is a clause this would seem reasonable), Evans now legally doesn't have a leg to stand on.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:29 - May 22 with 1083 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:22 - May 22 by BrixtonBlue

Oh I quite agree with you. And I'm not saying people can't hope. I'm just saying it's now not going to happen (or at least much much less likely).

If the sacking clause is not making the play offs (if there is a clause this would seem reasonable), Evans now legally doesn't have a leg to stand on.


I don’t think you can say Evans doesn’t have a leg to stand on - if he wanted to invoke such a clause I’m sure he would still argue that the season was ‘completed’ and that we didn’t make the playoffs still. Ultimately none of us know for sure exactly what clauses apply, or what the impact of curtailing the season would be on them

I hope he goes regardless, as he has proven to be utterly inept
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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:34 - May 22 with 1079 viewsNewcyBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:19 - May 22 by BrixtonBlue

Haha, come on Newcy. My knickers aren't in a twist, just hold your hands up and admit you read it wrong!


Yes I read your post incorrectly. Have an internet point.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:35 - May 22 with 1075 viewsNewcyBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:29 - May 22 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

I don’t think you can say Evans doesn’t have a leg to stand on - if he wanted to invoke such a clause I’m sure he would still argue that the season was ‘completed’ and that we didn’t make the playoffs still. Ultimately none of us know for sure exactly what clauses apply, or what the impact of curtailing the season would be on them

I hope he goes regardless, as he has proven to be utterly inept
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This.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 11:29 - May 22 with 1040 viewsBrixtonBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:29 - May 22 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

I don’t think you can say Evans doesn’t have a leg to stand on - if he wanted to invoke such a clause I’m sure he would still argue that the season was ‘completed’ and that we didn’t make the playoffs still. Ultimately none of us know for sure exactly what clauses apply, or what the impact of curtailing the season would be on them

I hope he goes regardless, as he has proven to be utterly inept
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The season clearly wasn't completed as we only played 36 games. Without CV-19 Lambert would argue, correctly, that we still had a chance.

Bully might be able to offer more insight here but I'd be amazed if there's any court in the land which would find in our favour rather than Lambert's.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 11:30 - May 22 with 1035 viewsBrixtonBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 09:34 - May 22 by NewcyBlue

Yes I read your post incorrectly. Have an internet point.


No need to be like that, I thought we were friends now!

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 11:32 - May 22 with 1028 viewstractorboy1978

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 11:29 - May 22 by BrixtonBlue

The season clearly wasn't completed as we only played 36 games. Without CV-19 Lambert would argue, correctly, that we still had a chance.

Bully might be able to offer more insight here but I'd be amazed if there's any court in the land which would find in our favour rather than Lambert's.


I'd agree with you. Considering we could still mathematically make the play-offs I would be very surprised but I guess it depends on the wording of any clause.
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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 12:56 - May 22 with 995 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 11:29 - May 22 by BrixtonBlue

The season clearly wasn't completed as we only played 36 games. Without CV-19 Lambert would argue, correctly, that we still had a chance.

Bully might be able to offer more insight here but I'd be amazed if there's any court in the land which would find in our favour rather than Lambert's.


The vote is to curtail the season and consider it completed - so yes it clearly can be considered complete if that comes to pass

Not really sure it’s relevant though - again no ones exactly what clauses apply or the wording but they almost certainly won’t specify the season has to be complete. If the clause is that we have less salary to pay in the event of missing the playoffs, and the playoffs take place without us, we would presumably have a strong argument that the clause applies

It’s not cut and dried though and certainly makes it messier - but no idea why you’d be ‘amazed’ if we could still apply such clauses

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 13:10 - May 22 with 984 viewsBrixtonBlue

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 12:56 - May 22 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

The vote is to curtail the season and consider it completed - so yes it clearly can be considered complete if that comes to pass

Not really sure it’s relevant though - again no ones exactly what clauses apply or the wording but they almost certainly won’t specify the season has to be complete. If the clause is that we have less salary to pay in the event of missing the playoffs, and the playoffs take place without us, we would presumably have a strong argument that the clause applies

It’s not cut and dried though and certainly makes it messier - but no idea why you’d be ‘amazed’ if we could still apply such clauses


I think this is wishful thinking fella. I'm sure Bully could offer more insight, but Lambert could definitely argue that legally speaking the season wasn't concluded.

"no one (knows)... the wording but they almost certainly won’t specify the season has to be complete."

I'd disagree with this statement. I'd say if there's a 'failure to reach the play offs' clause it will likely say, "If at the completion of the season we have not reached a play off position, the owner reserves the right to terminate the contract."

You're not going to have a 'failure to reach the play offs' clause at some random point in the season, it's OBVIOUSLY going to be at the end.

Any decent lawyer would destroy our assertion that the season is complete and Lambert's sacking is thus fair.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 13:12 - May 22 with 978 viewsvapour_trail

Hopefully we can get rid of him now..... on 12:56 - May 22 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

The vote is to curtail the season and consider it completed - so yes it clearly can be considered complete if that comes to pass

Not really sure it’s relevant though - again no ones exactly what clauses apply or the wording but they almost certainly won’t specify the season has to be complete. If the clause is that we have less salary to pay in the event of missing the playoffs, and the playoffs take place without us, we would presumably have a strong argument that the clause applies

It’s not cut and dried though and certainly makes it messier - but no idea why you’d be ‘amazed’ if we could still apply such clauses


Whilst the EFL can classify the season as completed, it feels bang in the zone for an unfair dismissal claim if the failure to secure promotion clause is invoked.

I’m with the man dollers on this one. His breathing training has delivered him a clear mind.

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