| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues 15:42 - Jul 6 with 3261 views | Darth_Koont |
Whether it be child poverty, disease, famine, environmental disaster etc. we're very good at paying lip service to the cause but pretty awful at actually sacrificing anything to make the necessary changes.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/06/black-lives-matter-protest
I also like it when people are surprised that a movement complaining about systemic racism wants to dismantle the current system. Ummm what did you think was the answer? Just posting a picture of you kneeling on social media?
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:33 - Jul 6 with 1039 views | Darth_Koont |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:04 - Jul 6 by hampstead_blue |
you've ignored the point and made is political again.
I'm trying to say that BLM et all ought to be led in a neutral way rather than hiding a darker cause.
It can be said for either side of the HoC, not just those highlighted by the piece. |
The path of least resistance is the path of least change. | |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:35 - Jul 6 with 1035 views | Swansea_Blue |
How is it antisemitic or of the hard left to criticise Israel's annexation of the West Bank? |  |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:35 - Jul 6 with 1030 views | Darth_Koont |
Case in point. | |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:40 - Jul 6 with 1009 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:35 - Jul 6 by Swansea_Blue |
How is it antisemitic or of the hard left to criticise Israel's annexation of the West Bank? |
It isn't antisemitic to criticise Israel's annexation of the West Bank. Had you bothered to read the link I posted from Nadine Bachelor-Hunt, a black Jewish women, you'd wouldn't have needed to ask the question.
"The part of the tweet that was problematic was the language surrounding 'gagged'. The language of the tweet has a sinister angle to it — it was playing into the old trope that Jews control the media and global politics.
A long-standing, well-known antisemitic conspiracy theory is "Jews control the world" — and contemporary antisemites often exchange the word 'Jews' with 'Israel' to hide their bigotry; a prime example is the 'Israel did 9/11' conspiracy theory, or the idea that 'Zionists control the world'. Therefore, when BLM UK said "British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism" it immediately set off alarm bells in my head; 'gagged' by whom?
If someone is being 'gagged' there must be an omnipotent 'gagger'. Then, when you ask that question, it begins to become clear that the language of the tweet has a sinister angle to it — it was playing into the old trope that Jews control the media and global politics. Not only that, but it was a bizarre choice of words in the British political context right now - given all major political parties have condemned the looming annexation, and Shadow Foreign Secretary Lisa Nandy (who is also the Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine) has called for sanctions on Israel should they move forward with annexation".
But hey, let's ignore the black Jewish woman. Middle class white men on a football message board know far more about antisemitism and racism than she ever would. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 18:42]
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:42 - Jul 6 with 1005 views | Darth_Koont |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:40 - Jul 6 by GlasgowBlue |
It isn't antisemitic to criticise Israel's annexation of the West Bank. Had you bothered to read the link I posted from Nadine Bachelor-Hunt, a black Jewish women, you'd wouldn't have needed to ask the question.
"The part of the tweet that was problematic was the language surrounding 'gagged'. The language of the tweet has a sinister angle to it — it was playing into the old trope that Jews control the media and global politics.
A long-standing, well-known antisemitic conspiracy theory is "Jews control the world" — and contemporary antisemites often exchange the word 'Jews' with 'Israel' to hide their bigotry; a prime example is the 'Israel did 9/11' conspiracy theory, or the idea that 'Zionists control the world'. Therefore, when BLM UK said "British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism" it immediately set off alarm bells in my head; 'gagged' by whom?
If someone is being 'gagged' there must be an omnipotent 'gagger'. Then, when you ask that question, it begins to become clear that the language of the tweet has a sinister angle to it — it was playing into the old trope that Jews control the media and global politics. Not only that, but it was a bizarre choice of words in the British political context right now - given all major political parties have condemned the looming annexation, and Shadow Foreign Secretary Lisa Nandy (who is also the Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine) has called for sanctions on Israel should they move forward with annexation".
But hey, let's ignore the black Jewish woman. Middle class white men on a football message board know far more about antisemitism and racism than she ever would. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 18:42]
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:53 - Jul 6 with 973 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:42 - Jul 6 by Darth_Koont |
Yawn. |
It's not like you to see an antisemitic trope and defend it Koonters. I for one am shocked. | |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:58 - Jul 6 with 959 views | Darth_Koont |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:53 - Jul 6 by GlasgowBlue |
It's not like you to see an antisemitic trope and defend it Koonters. I for one am shocked. |
I see you. | |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 19:07 - Jul 6 with 937 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:40 - Jul 6 by GlasgowBlue |
It isn't antisemitic to criticise Israel's annexation of the West Bank. Had you bothered to read the link I posted from Nadine Bachelor-Hunt, a black Jewish women, you'd wouldn't have needed to ask the question.
"The part of the tweet that was problematic was the language surrounding 'gagged'. The language of the tweet has a sinister angle to it — it was playing into the old trope that Jews control the media and global politics.
A long-standing, well-known antisemitic conspiracy theory is "Jews control the world" — and contemporary antisemites often exchange the word 'Jews' with 'Israel' to hide their bigotry; a prime example is the 'Israel did 9/11' conspiracy theory, or the idea that 'Zionists control the world'. Therefore, when BLM UK said "British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism" it immediately set off alarm bells in my head; 'gagged' by whom?
If someone is being 'gagged' there must be an omnipotent 'gagger'. Then, when you ask that question, it begins to become clear that the language of the tweet has a sinister angle to it — it was playing into the old trope that Jews control the media and global politics. Not only that, but it was a bizarre choice of words in the British political context right now - given all major political parties have condemned the looming annexation, and Shadow Foreign Secretary Lisa Nandy (who is also the Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine) has called for sanctions on Israel should they move forward with annexation".
But hey, let's ignore the black Jewish woman. Middle class white men on a football message board know far more about antisemitism and racism than she ever would. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 18:42]
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Seeing as we've never fallen out on here, I'll ignore the arsey tone.
It IS a minefield if one criticises Israel for past and likely much greater future human rights abuse. And the western press IS slow to criticise Israel.
I'm well aware of the Jews control the world theory, but think it's hell of a jump to get there from that BLM tweet. From being gagged, to their being a specific gagger, to that meaning the gagger has to be Jews gagging the press. Evidence? Isn't it more likely to be a reluctance to criticise a country that we make £billions out of?
I admit I'm more than likely to be wrong because I'm not a target of any anti semitism and don't understand it. But then I wouldn't take the postings of one random person off the internet as proof of something one way or the other either.
The odd thing is why is BLM tweeting about annexation of the West Bank? I've no idea if that is suggestive of her/your theory. | |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 19:09 - Jul 6 with 925 views | footers |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 19:07 - Jul 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Seeing as we've never fallen out on here, I'll ignore the arsey tone.
It IS a minefield if one criticises Israel for past and likely much greater future human rights abuse. And the western press IS slow to criticise Israel.
I'm well aware of the Jews control the world theory, but think it's hell of a jump to get there from that BLM tweet. From being gagged, to their being a specific gagger, to that meaning the gagger has to be Jews gagging the press. Evidence? Isn't it more likely to be a reluctance to criticise a country that we make £billions out of?
I admit I'm more than likely to be wrong because I'm not a target of any anti semitism and don't understand it. But then I wouldn't take the postings of one random person off the internet as proof of something one way or the other either.
The odd thing is why is BLM tweeting about annexation of the West Bank? I've no idea if that is suggestive of her/your theory. |
We've now had hard-hitting evidence from Glamour Magazine. Maybe Mizz and Smash Hits will have a view on it.
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 19:29 - Jul 6 with 905 views | Steve_M |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 17:13 - Jul 6 by Swansea_Blue |
'Defund the police' is always going to be a hard sell. It sounds too radical, especially given that underfunding of the police and cutting police numbers has been a stick to beat the government with for the last 10 years.
They should be a bit cleverer about that and focus on the positive changes they're calling for; so emphasise the need to focus more on preemptive steps like supporting mental health and community support efforts.
Fundamentally, they have a very strong case for change, just that the messaging is completely wrong to win over majority support. |
Indeed. It doesn’t work in a UK context in the same way it does in the US. Even there it’s a crap slogan that alienates before it’s explained. |  |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 20:17 - Jul 6 with 822 views | eireblue |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:40 - Jul 6 by GlasgowBlue |
It isn't antisemitic to criticise Israel's annexation of the West Bank. Had you bothered to read the link I posted from Nadine Bachelor-Hunt, a black Jewish women, you'd wouldn't have needed to ask the question.
"The part of the tweet that was problematic was the language surrounding 'gagged'. The language of the tweet has a sinister angle to it — it was playing into the old trope that Jews control the media and global politics.
A long-standing, well-known antisemitic conspiracy theory is "Jews control the world" — and contemporary antisemites often exchange the word 'Jews' with 'Israel' to hide their bigotry; a prime example is the 'Israel did 9/11' conspiracy theory, or the idea that 'Zionists control the world'. Therefore, when BLM UK said "British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism" it immediately set off alarm bells in my head; 'gagged' by whom?
If someone is being 'gagged' there must be an omnipotent 'gagger'. Then, when you ask that question, it begins to become clear that the language of the tweet has a sinister angle to it — it was playing into the old trope that Jews control the media and global politics. Not only that, but it was a bizarre choice of words in the British political context right now - given all major political parties have condemned the looming annexation, and Shadow Foreign Secretary Lisa Nandy (who is also the Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine) has called for sanctions on Israel should they move forward with annexation".
But hey, let's ignore the black Jewish woman. Middle class white men on a football message board know far more about antisemitism and racism than she ever would. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 18:42]
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“.. and contemporary antisemites often exchange the word 'Jews' with 'Israel' to hide their bigotry...”
Isn’t what you have just written there, an excuse that someone can use, to label anyone critising current or past, Israeli government policy and actions, a “contemporary antisemite”. |  | | |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 20:47 - Jul 6 with 791 views | hampstead_blue |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:33 - Jul 6 by Darth_Koont |
The path of least resistance is the path of least change. |
I quite like it when everyone agrees and stuff happens.
No need to be red, blue or between to smash out a message and get stuff done. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 20:49 - Jul 6 with 783 views | lowhouseblue |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 17:39 - Jul 6 by SpruceMoose |
Defunding police is not an extremist position you plum. |
defunding the police is the sort of nonsense that shows you're living in an embarrassing echo chamber i'm afraid. |  |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 20:56 - Jul 6 with 765 views | eireblue |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 20:49 - Jul 6 by lowhouseblue |
defunding the police is the sort of nonsense that shows you're living in an embarrassing echo chamber i'm afraid. |
There was that police officer on QT, that suggested the best way to tackle the drug issue was spending money in the community, and making life much better for people. Not creating better drug gangs, by progressively tougher policing.
I guess, that would be an example of an ex-senior police chief suggesting that a better way to spend money to reduce crime, wasn’t to spend more on policing.
Magic money trees aside, the government only has limited resources.
One police chief seems to think maybe spending more on solving the causes, maybe a better idea.
Maybe the echo chamber is quite large and diverse. | | | |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 21:07 - Jul 6 with 755 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 20:56 - Jul 6 by eireblue |
There was that police officer on QT, that suggested the best way to tackle the drug issue was spending money in the community, and making life much better for people. Not creating better drug gangs, by progressively tougher policing.
I guess, that would be an example of an ex-senior police chief suggesting that a better way to spend money to reduce crime, wasn’t to spend more on policing.
Magic money trees aside, the government only has limited resources.
One police chief seems to think maybe spending more on solving the causes, maybe a better idea.
Maybe the echo chamber is quite large and diverse. |
And we used to actually do this; undertake more community projects, spend more money proportionately in the community, etc. And it worked. So it's hardly a novel revolutionary idea.
Prevention better than cure. Who would argue it's better to treat terminal cancer than reduce activities that increased cancer risks in the first place? That's a direct analogy, but not one that's been politicised. So anyone who thinks community intervention to reduce crime is a stupid idea, just think about that.
It's only because of where it's come that it's being opposed by people who strongly follow the 'other' camp. | |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 21:33 - Jul 6 with 729 views | Darth_Koont |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 20:49 - Jul 6 by lowhouseblue |
defunding the police is the sort of nonsense that shows you're living in an embarrassing echo chamber i'm afraid. |
Thanks for that, bot. | |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 21:34 - Jul 6 with 724 views | Darth_Koont |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 20:47 - Jul 6 by hampstead_blue |
I quite like it when everyone agrees and stuff happens.
No need to be red, blue or between to smash out a message and get stuff done. |
You're clearly living in an entirely different world. | |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 22:16 - Jul 6 with 665 views | SpruceMoose |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 20:49 - Jul 6 by lowhouseblue |
defunding the police is the sort of nonsense that shows you're living in an embarrassing echo chamber i'm afraid. |
Yawn. It's funny that you talk to me about echo chambers when one of us lives in one of the most diverse cities in the world, enjoying many relationships with people from as many ethnicities, lifestyles and backgrounds as you could imagine, while the other... Well I'm sure the village green is famous for its diversity.
The only echo chamber here is the one you and the other 'moderates' at your incredibly diverse village hall enjoy. Get out more mate, there's more to life than coffee and cake with vicar and tutting at the uppity minorities you only ever see on the news. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 22:22]
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 22:26 - Jul 6 with 648 views | NewcyBlue |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 16:56 - Jul 6 by hampstead_blue |
another good read in the Sunday Times about a number of these groups.
Funded and run by hard left socialists.
My problem with that is that politics is hijacking an argument which resonates across the entire political spectrum.
I'll dig out the piece if you wanted a list (memory not good at present, no bitching people I'm serious). I wasn't so much surprised more disappointed as I'd love to support these groups more but won't if the people running it are hard left socialists. |
I’ll let MrsN know that her life doesn’t matter because of “hard left socialists”.
I don’t think white lives matter because of far right racists.... |  |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 22:29 - Jul 6 with 642 views | SpruceMoose |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 22:26 - Jul 6 by NewcyBlue |
I’ll let MrsN know that her life doesn’t matter because of “hard left socialists”.
I don’t think white lives matter because of far right racists.... |
She clearly just needs to get out of her echo chamber Newcy. | |
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 23:08 - Jul 6 with 610 views | WeWereZombies |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:20 - Jul 6 by SpruceMoose |
I didn't think it would take long for you switch from blaming 'middle class white boys' to 'lefties' in an attempt to undermine BLM.
No amount of listening to Luther Vandross can obscure your true motivations. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 18:21]
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This seems like a suitable point to notify the forum that there are just six days left to catch this before it disappears off the iPlayer:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p08gd6n1/later-live-tracks-luther-vandross
[edit] I think this is worth four minutes of anybody's time, quite magical. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 23:26]
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| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 23:20 - Jul 6 with 591 views | Seablu |
| Good article and sadly true re: BLM and other important issues on 18:20 - Jul 6 by SpruceMoose |
I didn't think it would take long for you switch from blaming 'middle class white boys' to 'lefties' in an attempt to undermine BLM.
No amount of listening to Luther Vandross can obscure your true motivations. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 18:21]
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He's had a truly shocking couple of weeks on here, even by his own deviously low standards.
There is only one self-serving agenda with him, the rest is just a token side salad.
Expect a list of his favourite Five Star 12in club mixes come the end of the week.
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