| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... 15:07 - Jul 15 with 8404 views | Libero |
He's been playing in the first team for six seasons, made 87 League appearances and averages a full 90 minutes less than once a season.
Always makes me chuckle when I see people listing him in their starting elevens.
He's back to full fitness next month though...
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| He'll be tearing it up.... on 07:28 - Jul 16 with 708 views | Libero |
| He'll be tearing it up.... on 07:17 - Jul 16 by hype313 |
We've been saying now or never for the past 4 years with Bishop, as you say, at 24 he really should have pushed on but injuries have hampered him so much.
You can understand an 18yr old getting them when hitting 1st team men's football, I remember Gerrard having major ankle issues but grew out of them by the time he was 21, Bishop at 24 has one final punt imo due to our current status, if not then Leiston beckons. |
Despite having regular niggles Gerrard’s first 6 seasons as a professional footballer he play almost double the amount of games that Bishop has and regularly played 90 minutes.
It’s just not comparable unfortunately. | | | |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 07:30 - Jul 16 with 699 views | Libero |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 22:42 - Jul 15 by reusersfreekicks |
Yep - fantastic player |
Truth is we don’t know what sort of player he is.
Incredible when he burst on the scene but he has it all to prove. | | | |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 07:54 - Jul 16 with 685 views | textbackup |
Didn't rate McGoldrick, laugh about others rating Bishop. Weird sort of football fan aren't you |  |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 07:59 - Jul 16 with 675 views | ArnieM |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 15:09 - Jul 15 by Libero |
It's hilarious? Sad really.
I'm not sure you can call him one of our best players, can you?
Point I'm trying to illustrate is that he's beyond being a player with potential and is unfortunately probably now a player that has failed to achieve said potential. |
Problem is our Club has a history of keeping players on the books who are injury prone. Evans is paying a helluva lot of good money to keep these sick notes at the Club on the Premise that
“ once they’re fit they’ll be potentially a very good player”.
Frankly , we need to start to wise up and despatch these individuals. We can’t afford to support them in this way. I’d quite like the pay as you play clause in contracts if players get injured. If you or I get unwell and can’t work, I doubt many would get their pay last 6 months of sickness without dropping to sick pay at pension rate. Many people these days get NO pay. Why should footballers be any different?
The argument “ it’s always been that way”, is no argument. Even less so post CoVid , where Clubs are Literally going out of business trying to pay these players sat on their arses. |  |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:02 - Jul 16 with 665 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 07:54 - Jul 16 by textbackup |
Didn't rate McGoldrick, laugh about others rating Bishop. Weird sort of football fan aren't you |
A bit OTT but objectively he’s right here, half a season aside Bishop has been largely useless for us unfortunately
He’s wrong about McGoldrick though quite clearly! |  |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:04 - Jul 16 with 656 views | itfcjoe |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 16:08 - Jul 15 by Libero |
Part of being a professional footballer is being physically fit enough to play 90 minutes, poor old Teddy has only done that a handful of times despite heading towards his mid twenties!
Horrendous what's happened to him with the injuries, but actually when he has played he hasn't really made much of a mark in recent years, has he.
As you insinuate, you can't assume that if he was playing week-in-week-out that he'd be playing any differently to what we have seen when he's made a few appearances.
That's why it's so important he does put in some back to back 90's, to prove what he can do, as I think it's fair to say that despite promise at the start of his career he has it all to prove.
Incredible natural talent, glided past players beautifully when he first burst on the scene, but there will be players who were more naturally gifted than Teddy at the Academy who were let go because they didn't poses X, Y, Z.
I believe he suffered with injuries in the Academy too? Maybe physically he's just not up to it unfortunately.
This coming season really is the last roll of the dice for Teddy here.
I can't think of a single example of a player in his mid 20's who has only completed 90 minutes less than ten times that then goes on to have a solid career. |
This 90 minute thing is such a pointless stat, the only time he has been fit enough to have a proper run in the team was when he was 18 in a Mick McCarthy team which is physically and mentally demanding so no surprise he was often the one who went off as Mick liked to make full use of his subs.
The injury record since is, obviously, the big worry, playing 90 minutes will come when you get a run in the side - something he's been unable to achieve.
Talent wise he is streets above this level, you can see it when he plays. When his deal was ending 2 years ago plenty of fans were saying don't bother as he's too unfit - shows the talent levels he possesses to effectively be kept on until he is 25 when he hasn't been able to get fit for 5 seasons - that says all you need to know. |  |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:04 - Jul 16 with 657 views | Libero |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 07:54 - Jul 16 by textbackup |
Didn't rate McGoldrick, laugh about others rating Bishop. Weird sort of football fan aren't you |
You are a cracking simpleton sometimes.
I rated McGoldrick as a player, I just felt that...
1) Our supporters overrated him
2) His output didn't justify him being in our top earners.
This was literally discussed at length on the forum last week.
Yeah, I find it funny that people rate Bishop so highly based on some performances 5/6 years ago, the bloke can barely get through 90 minutes yet some supporters still hold him in the same regard as the hot prospect we saw burst onto the scene.
If you'd bothered to read the whole thread you'd have seen some pretty nuanced debate about Bish and the reasonable concerns I have for his career.
I understand reading can be difficult, but if you take your time, sound out and tricky words and maybe get your wife or kids to help you with anything you don't understand I'm sure you'll get there eventually pal. x [Post edited 16 Jul 2020 8:10]
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:07 - Jul 16 with 649 views | itfcjoe |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 18:50 - Jul 15 by Libero |
Fair assessment, although he shined like a diamond due to his qualities setting him apart I n a very workman like midfield, which potentially only further served to exaggerate his perceived talents.
Great natural ability though, no question - just maybe not worthy of being on the kind of pedestal where supporters still consider him “one of our best players” [Post edited 15 Jul 2020 18:53]
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There's a podcast with Keiron Dyer interviewing El Mizouni yesterday on EADT feed, Idris says that Bishop is the best in training an best player at the club.
Obviously not overly meaningful, but a fully fit Bishop would be different class in this division - but can he ever get there? I don't think anyone could confidently say yes | |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:08 - Jul 16 with 649 views | Radlett_blue |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:04 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
This 90 minute thing is such a pointless stat, the only time he has been fit enough to have a proper run in the team was when he was 18 in a Mick McCarthy team which is physically and mentally demanding so no surprise he was often the one who went off as Mick liked to make full use of his subs.
The injury record since is, obviously, the big worry, playing 90 minutes will come when you get a run in the side - something he's been unable to achieve.
Talent wise he is streets above this level, you can see it when he plays. When his deal was ending 2 years ago plenty of fans were saying don't bother as he's too unfit - shows the talent levels he possesses to effectively be kept on until he is 25 when he hasn't been able to get fit for 5 seasons - that says all you need to know. |
It would appear that those who said it was dumb to give Bishop another deal were correct. |  |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:08 - Jul 16 with 650 views | Libero |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:02 - Jul 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
A bit OTT but objectively he’s right here, half a season aside Bishop has been largely useless for us unfortunately
He’s wrong about McGoldrick though quite clearly! |
FFS, you're a decent poster, don't lean into his bullsh1t.
It's far more nuanced than "you didn't rate McGoldrick"
You even participated in a thread last week where I reiterated my views on McGoldrick and his time here, it certainly wasn't "LOL
HE'S SH1T"
Here's a pertinent quote from me in said thread, replying to you, ironically.
"Aye, he's undoubtedly naturally talented and enjoyable to watch.
I don't disagree with anything you've said there, I guess I'm just always surprised just quite how how esteem our support hold him in.
He roughly averaged about 24 games and 6 goals a season, I think he had great ability but for the money he was on I want a bit more from our striker than the do a few neat turns and lollypops.
Still, I appreciate I'm in the minority on this."
It's clear my issue was the investment VS the return and the manner in which he is/was perceived by our support, not his ability. [Post edited 16 Jul 2020 8:16]
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:11 - Jul 16 with 641 views | Libero |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:07 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
There's a podcast with Keiron Dyer interviewing El Mizouni yesterday on EADT feed, Idris says that Bishop is the best in training an best player at the club.
Obviously not overly meaningful, but a fully fit Bishop would be different class in this division - but can he ever get there? I don't think anyone could confidently say yes |
Yup, I don't disbelieve that he maintains a high level of professionalism.
Does he have long left on his contract? | | | |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:14 - Jul 16 with 628 views | Libero |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:04 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
This 90 minute thing is such a pointless stat, the only time he has been fit enough to have a proper run in the team was when he was 18 in a Mick McCarthy team which is physically and mentally demanding so no surprise he was often the one who went off as Mick liked to make full use of his subs.
The injury record since is, obviously, the big worry, playing 90 minutes will come when you get a run in the side - something he's been unable to achieve.
Talent wise he is streets above this level, you can see it when he plays. When his deal was ending 2 years ago plenty of fans were saying don't bother as he's too unfit - shows the talent levels he possesses to effectively be kept on until he is 25 when he hasn't been able to get fit for 5 seasons - that says all you need to know. |
Yup, don't disagree with anything in your last paragraph.
Personally I think you're underplaying the fact he has completed so few 90 minutes, but I appreciate where you're coming from.
Even if we put the 90 minutes to one side and instead talk about starts and appearances, it doesn't look good for Ted. | | | |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:25 - Jul 16 with 597 views | itfcjoe |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:14 - Jul 16 by Libero |
Yup, don't disagree with anything in your last paragraph.
Personally I think you're underplaying the fact he has completed so few 90 minutes, but I appreciate where you're coming from.
Even if we put the 90 minutes to one side and instead talk about starts and appearances, it doesn't look good for Ted. |
Starts and appearances are the key, the 90 minutes thing is just a quirk which doesn't really mean anything. | |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:26 - Jul 16 with 593 views | Libero |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:25 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
Starts and appearances are the key, the 90 minutes thing is just a quirk which doesn't really mean anything. |
I wonder how many other players there have been to experience this "quirk" - genuinely interested, the fact I've not really known it to happen to any other player is why I consider it worthy of mention. | | | |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:35 - Jul 16 with 578 views | midastouch |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 16:08 - Jul 15 by midastouch |
Didn't Luke Hyam get linked with Everton briefly? I know Owen Garvan did but I think Hyam did too. I rated Garvan for a while (shame he never kicked on - don't think the Dark Lord Keane helped his cause!) but I was never sold on Hyam. |
Actually, I think it might have been Matt Richards that got linked with Everton rather than Luke Hyam.
And some good debate on Bishop. Definitely talented but surely he's on his last cat life now. We really need him to stand and deliver this season as it's just been setback after setback for so long now. This season could well be the last roll of the dice for Teddy as a Town player. Let's hope it lands on a 6 and not a 1! |  |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:44 - Jul 16 with 565 views | Bluefish |
I find it utterly bizarre the bitterness that some town fans have towards Bishop. He is a class act, someone who you pay to watch on their own. No one since him in our midfield has come close to him in ability to drop a shoulder and make space. He is still only 24, some players are still finding their way at cm at 24. I hope he goes on to have a top class career, hopefully with us |  |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:44 - Jul 16 with 565 views | itfcjoe |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:26 - Jul 16 by Libero |
I wonder how many other players there have been to experience this "quirk" - genuinely interested, the fact I've not really known it to happen to any other player is why I consider it worthy of mention. |
I'd guess attacking players much more so than defensive players.
Just my first hunch, Danny Haynes completed 90 minutes 16 times in 126 appearances for the club. Think he only started about 50 games but it is still pretty low.
Second one - Billy Clarke
2 complete 90 minutes in 55 games, including 25 starts. | |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:47 - Jul 16 with 561 views | Libero |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:44 - Jul 16 by Bluefish |
I find it utterly bizarre the bitterness that some town fans have towards Bishop. He is a class act, someone who you pay to watch on their own. No one since him in our midfield has come close to him in ability to drop a shoulder and make space. He is still only 24, some players are still finding their way at cm at 24. I hope he goes on to have a top class career, hopefully with us |
Care to direct me to the "bitterness" on this thread? - I think it's been a pretty reasonable discussion.
Most "bitter" thing I've seen on here recently was actually yesterday when some gorp said he hoped Ben Knight rotted in the Man City Reserves and never made a first team appearance, absolutely mental.
Most people in here are sad that Bishop has failed to live up to his initial potential. | | | |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:48 - Jul 16 with 558 views | Libero |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:44 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
I'd guess attacking players much more so than defensive players.
Just my first hunch, Danny Haynes completed 90 minutes 16 times in 126 appearances for the club. Think he only started about 50 games but it is still pretty low.
Second one - Billy Clarke
2 complete 90 minutes in 55 games, including 25 starts. |
Great shouts, both players obviously made more appearances across a season on average and were probably viewed more as impact players than Bishop, but I'm grateful for you highlighting it.
I think if Bishop goes on to recover from these continuous setbacks and have the same kind of career Billy Clarke has had then he will have done well.
I seem to remember Clarke had quite a few injury issues too! [Post edited 16 Jul 2020 8:51]
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:51 - Jul 16 with 549 views | Bluefish |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 07:54 - Jul 16 by textbackup |
Didn't rate McGoldrick, laugh about others rating Bishop. Weird sort of football fan aren't you |
He is fooking embarrassing | |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:54 - Jul 16 with 543 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:08 - Jul 16 by Libero |
FFS, you're a decent poster, don't lean into his bullsh1t.
It's far more nuanced than "you didn't rate McGoldrick"
You even participated in a thread last week where I reiterated my views on McGoldrick and his time here, it certainly wasn't "LOL
HE'S SH1T"
Here's a pertinent quote from me in said thread, replying to you, ironically.
"Aye, he's undoubtedly naturally talented and enjoyable to watch.
I don't disagree with anything you've said there, I guess I'm just always surprised just quite how how esteem our support hold him in.
He roughly averaged about 24 games and 6 goals a season, I think he had great ability but for the money he was on I want a bit more from our striker than the do a few neat turns and lollypops.
Still, I appreciate I'm in the minority on this."
It's clear my issue was the investment VS the return and the manner in which he is/was perceived by our support, not his ability. [Post edited 16 Jul 2020 8:16]
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I think you may need your Weetabix buh 🙂 | |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:57 - Jul 16 with 534 views | Libero |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:51 - Jul 16 by Bluefish |
He is fooking embarrassing |
Stick your head in your hot tub and give it a wobble.
I rate(d) both for their natural ability, I'm just encouraging wider debate regarding their worth to the team and club.
It's patiently not true that I didn't/don't rate either, any one with the reading age of a 7 year old can ascertain that from various posts. [Post edited 16 Jul 2020 8:59]
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:59 - Jul 16 with 531 views | Bluefish |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:47 - Jul 16 by Libero |
Care to direct me to the "bitterness" on this thread? - I think it's been a pretty reasonable discussion.
Most "bitter" thing I've seen on here recently was actually yesterday when some gorp said he hoped Ben Knight rotted in the Man City Reserves and never made a first team appearance, absolutely mental.
Most people in here are sad that Bishop has failed to live up to his initial potential. |
Yeah the way you laugh when people say he should be in our line up of when everyone is fit and how you sarcasticly get pleasure out of the back next month line.
Football clearly isn't for you | |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 09:00 - Jul 16 with 528 views | itfcjoe |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:48 - Jul 16 by Libero |
Great shouts, both players obviously made more appearances across a season on average and were probably viewed more as impact players than Bishop, but I'm grateful for you highlighting it.
I think if Bishop goes on to recover from these continuous setbacks and have the same kind of career Billy Clarke has had then he will have done well.
I seem to remember Clarke had quite a few injury issues too! [Post edited 16 Jul 2020 8:51]
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Some managers manage by numbers to an extent, and you know what the subs are going to be before the boards even come up - at one point Clarke started 9 games out of 10 and was subbed off 8 times | |
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| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 09:01 - Jul 16 with 527 views | Libero |
| Teddy Bishop is 24 years old today... on 08:59 - Jul 16 by Bluefish |
Yeah the way you laugh when people say he should be in our line up of when everyone is fit and how you sarcasticly get pleasure out of the back next month line.
Football clearly isn't for you |
Sorry mate, we can't all be self proclaimed "football men" like you :')
I find it amusing that people want to plonk a player straight into the starting line up that hasn't put a run of decent performances together in over half a decade.
The "Teddy Bishop is back to full fitness next month..." line is a p1ss take of the supporters, not the Bish, div.
Maybe you should stick to your own catchphrase, nuanced debate clearly isn't for you. | | | |
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