| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:23 - Jul 24 with 2816 views | clive_baker |
Out of interest, are there any stats around 2015 election voters and subsequent Brexit vote. In some respects that's more interesting than subsequent elections, where the result of the Brexit vote perhaps informed voting to a greater extent.
2015 election still winds me up, Milliband was a good prospect. Could've avoided all of this BS. |  |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:26 - Jul 24 with 2801 views | Libero |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:23 - Jul 24 by clive_baker |
Out of interest, are there any stats around 2015 election voters and subsequent Brexit vote. In some respects that's more interesting than subsequent elections, where the result of the Brexit vote perhaps informed voting to a greater extent.
2015 election still winds me up, Milliband was a good prospect. Could've avoided all of this BS. |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:28 - Jul 24 with 2787 views | clive_baker |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:20 - Jul 24 by Herbivore |
I think blaming people who didn't buy the lies for people who bought the lies continuing to double down on them is a take I just don't buy to be honest. It also shifts the blame away from the liars and charlatans that sold leave voters a pup. |
It's not blaming people. You've misunderstood the point. It's understanding the psyche around why people are seemingly so unwilling to admit they've changed their mind. I know next to nobody who has openly changed their mind on Brexit, which I find staggering. My opinion is that given the anonymity of a polling booth again, we would actually see a large swing to remain. Yet nobody I know that voted leave has openly said they regret that decision, which given the last 4 years I find remarkable. | |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:30 - Jul 24 with 2772 views | SpruceMoose |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:23 - Jul 24 by clive_baker |
Out of interest, are there any stats around 2015 election voters and subsequent Brexit vote. In some respects that's more interesting than subsequent elections, where the result of the Brexit vote perhaps informed voting to a greater extent.
2015 election still winds me up, Milliband was a good prospect. Could've avoided all of this BS. |
The Brits really showed their true colours during that election. All over a bacon sandwich.
Shagging a pig is fine, but if you're pictured in the middle of eating one then everyone loses their minds. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 12:31]
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:33 - Jul 24 with 2762 views | Herbivore |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:28 - Jul 24 by clive_baker |
It's not blaming people. You've misunderstood the point. It's understanding the psyche around why people are seemingly so unwilling to admit they've changed their mind. I know next to nobody who has openly changed their mind on Brexit, which I find staggering. My opinion is that given the anonymity of a polling booth again, we would actually see a large swing to remain. Yet nobody I know that voted leave has openly said they regret that decision, which given the last 4 years I find remarkable. |
Fair enough, yes I misunderstood. I know both Glassers and J2 on here have openly said they would vote Remain this time around but you're right, leave voters that openly admit to changing their mind are few and far between. I think the latest polling shows support for remain continuing to rise though but would need to double check. |  |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:36 - Jul 24 with 2749 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:23 - Jul 24 by clive_baker |
Out of interest, are there any stats around 2015 election voters and subsequent Brexit vote. In some respects that's more interesting than subsequent elections, where the result of the Brexit vote perhaps informed voting to a greater extent.
2015 election still winds me up, Milliband was a good prospect. Could've avoided all of this BS. |
The Statista one posted above will reflect that, as it's based on a survey taken on 23rd June 2016 (referendum day).
It's only giving the relative proportions within a political party affiliation, but it reporting 37% of the Labour voters voted leave, against 58% of Tory voters.
I'm more fascinated by the 4% of UKIP voters who said they voted remain! (Presumably there's a big error in these surveys as some people either just lie or don't understand the question).
I think you're right that the subsequent GEs were skewed due to the Brexit issue, especially the 2019 one. |  |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:49 - Jul 24 with 2732 views | GaryCooper |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 09:16 - Jul 24 by Herbivore |
A lot of Labour leave voters voted for Johnson because he is the poster boy for their precious Brexit. |
Nope, they voted for Johnson because the alternative that you and the other loons shouted from the rooftops was an utter incompetent, so incompetent he made Johnson look competent, imagine that?
Thickos all of them. |  | | |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:51 - Jul 24 with 2733 views | BlueBadger |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:30 - Jul 24 by SpruceMoose |
The Brits really showed their true colours during that election. All over a bacon sandwich.
Shagging a pig is fine, but if you're pictured in the middle of eating one then everyone loses their minds. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 12:31]
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The worst thing about that whole farce was about a week later Call Me Dave was pictured eating a hotdog with a knife and fork AND NOONE SAID ANYTHING. At least Miliband was properly going for it with that bacon sarnie rather than eating a f*cking hotdog with f*cking cutlery.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-eats-hotdogs-with-a
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:59 - Jul 24 with 2708 views | SpruceMoose |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:49 - Jul 24 by GaryCooper |
Nope, they voted for Johnson because the alternative that you and the other loons shouted from the rooftops was an utter incompetent, so incompetent he made Johnson look competent, imagine that?
Thickos all of them. |
I thought we were supposed to listen with respect to all opinions, no matter how halfwitted, and never, EVER, call people thickos?
I'm always told that you will never win people round to your side of the argument by abusing them. Surely this applies here? [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:04]
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:04 - Jul 24 with 2687 views | Herbivore |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:49 - Jul 24 by GaryCooper |
Nope, they voted for Johnson because the alternative that you and the other loons shouted from the rooftops was an utter incompetent, so incompetent he made Johnson look competent, imagine that?
Thickos all of them. |
Oh dear, Gary. As it goes I was no great Corbyn fan (you can go back through my posts if you like) but I saw Labour as being a less destructive force than the incompetent charlatans led by Johnson and Cummings. I stand by that. But you are well wide of the mark if you think this was all purely down to Corbyn and had nothing at all to do with Brexit. Both things played a part in giving the Tories a sizeable majority.
On your last point it is true to say that Brexit voters and Tory voters are generally less well educated, but you could do with toning it down a bit. That kind of language is counter productive. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:05]
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:07 - Jul 24 with 2675 views | Herbivore |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:59 - Jul 24 by SpruceMoose |
I thought we were supposed to listen with respect to all opinions, no matter how halfwitted, and never, EVER, call people thickos?
I'm always told that you will never win people round to your side of the argument by abusing them. Surely this applies here? [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:04]
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Gary has been very angry in his posting lately, calling people loons and thickos in the space of one post is just one example of that. It cheapens our discourse but I hope he's doing okay and this isn't reflective of some deeper unhappiness away from the board. | |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:08 - Jul 24 with 2670 views | SpruceMoose |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:07 - Jul 24 by Herbivore |
Gary has been very angry in his posting lately, calling people loons and thickos in the space of one post is just one example of that. It cheapens our discourse but I hope he's doing okay and this isn't reflective of some deeper unhappiness away from the board. |
Agreed. His postings as imsurazzure were on the whole nothing to write home about, but they weren't flecked through with such rage. | |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:13 - Jul 24 with 2664 views | Herbivore |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:08 - Jul 24 by SpruceMoose |
Agreed. His postings as imsurazzure were on the whole nothing to write home about, but they weren't flecked through with such rage. |
They were quite ragey at times to be fair. Not quite so much as this but still some rage bubbling beneath the surface.
Gary, we're here for you if you need anything. | |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:14 - Jul 24 with 2660 views | giant_stow |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:08 - Jul 24 by SpruceMoose |
Agreed. His postings as imsurazzure were on the whole nothing to write home about, but they weren't flecked through with such rage. |
Gary and you both seem just as cross as each other at certain political happennings right now. It's just different triggers.
Sorry if that's unfair, but Corbyn gets him going, as does Trump and kick-back against BLM, you. |  |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:16 - Jul 24 with 2653 views | BlueBadger |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:08 - Jul 24 by SpruceMoose |
Agreed. His postings as imsurazzure were on the whole nothing to write home about, but they weren't flecked through with such rage. |
Ah, they were. | |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:17 - Jul 24 with 2650 views | giant_stow |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:16 - Jul 24 by SpruceMoose |
Agree to disagree with you there old boy.
Corbyn is history, whereas we still have immigrant children in cages at the border over here.
Slight difference.
Anyway, even if you're correct, nobody ever asks after mental well being of poor old Spruce!  [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:17]
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Fair enough, but although Corbyn is history, the damage he did will be felt for a long time.
Edit to you edit: Are you not ok mr? Tell aunty Ullaa about it... [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:19]
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:19 - Jul 24 with 2643 views | SpruceMoose |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:17 - Jul 24 by giant_stow |
Fair enough, but although Corbyn is history, the damage he did will be felt for a long time.
Edit to you edit: Are you not ok mr? Tell aunty Ullaa about it... [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:19]
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I think that damage is overstated. Brits were fooking up the country long before he got a go in charge.
I'm not alright. It's raining today and my Gucci mask got wet when I was walking to my chauffeured car. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:20]
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:21 - Jul 24 with 2639 views | giant_stow |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:19 - Jul 24 by SpruceMoose |
I think that damage is overstated. Brits were fooking up the country long before he got a go in charge.
I'm not alright. It's raining today and my Gucci mask got wet when I was walking to my chauffeured car. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:20]
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Does your Gucci mask at least stay on your ears? If so, it could be worse! | |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:23 - Jul 24 with 2625 views | Herbivore |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:14 - Jul 24 by giant_stow |
Gary and you both seem just as cross as each other at certain political happennings right now. It's just different triggers.
Sorry if that's unfair, but Corbyn gets him going, as does Trump and kick-back against BLM, you. |
I'm perfectly chilled thanks.
Edit - just realised that your reply was to Spruce. Now I'm really pissed. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:24]
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:24 - Jul 24 with 2619 views | giant_stow |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:23 - Jul 24 by Herbivore |
I'm perfectly chilled thanks.
Edit - just realised that your reply was to Spruce. Now I'm really pissed. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:24]
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Sorry mr - I meant both Gary and Spruce. I can see you're not at def con 2. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:24]
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:25 - Jul 24 with 2615 views | Herbivore |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:24 - Jul 24 by giant_stow |
Sorry mr - I meant both Gary and Spruce. I can see you're not at def con 2. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:24]
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Aye, I realised that after I'd replied. I didn't sleep well. | |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:27 - Jul 24 with 2604 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:04 - Jul 24 by Herbivore |
Oh dear, Gary. As it goes I was no great Corbyn fan (you can go back through my posts if you like) but I saw Labour as being a less destructive force than the incompetent charlatans led by Johnson and Cummings. I stand by that. But you are well wide of the mark if you think this was all purely down to Corbyn and had nothing at all to do with Brexit. Both things played a part in giving the Tories a sizeable majority.
On your last point it is true to say that Brexit voters and Tory voters are generally less well educated, but you could do with toning it down a bit. That kind of language is counter productive. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:05]
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Absolutely Brexit was a key factor in the 2019 GE. Leading up to the election regeneration funding was announced for 101 towns - 94 of those had voted leave in the 2016 referendum. Reward or incentive, call it what you will. A good proportion were targeted marginals too. It was obviously government policy to target leave voting Labour seats they thought they could win. They ran on Get Brexit Done after all - a bit of clue that!
I think Corbyn has been flagged up in various polls, but Brexit was significant too. Without Brexit it would have been a very different landscape over the last few years. | |
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| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:36 - Jul 24 with 2586 views | Herbivore |
| I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:27 - Jul 24 by Swansea_Blue |
Absolutely Brexit was a key factor in the 2019 GE. Leading up to the election regeneration funding was announced for 101 towns - 94 of those had voted leave in the 2016 referendum. Reward or incentive, call it what you will. A good proportion were targeted marginals too. It was obviously government policy to target leave voting Labour seats they thought they could win. They ran on Get Brexit Done after all - a bit of clue that!
I think Corbyn has been flagged up in various polls, but Brexit was significant too. Without Brexit it would have been a very different landscape over the last few years. |
Agreed. The two issues interact as well as part of the issue with Corbyn for voters was his lack of a clear stance on Brexit. Leavers didn't trust him as he tentatively supported a second referendum and remainers didn't trust him either given his disappearing act in 2016 and his stance of not supporting remain in a second referendum.
Of course there were other issues with Corbyn, not least the handling of antisemitism, that put people off, but to make out that the election was solely about Corbyn is rewriting history. It was first and foremost a Brexit election and Johnson's clear message won over many leavers, whilst Corbyn's mixed messaging alienated both sides. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 13:42]
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