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I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:51 - Jul 24 by BlueBadger
The worst thing about that whole farce was about a week later Call Me Dave was pictured eating a hotdog with a knife and fork AND NOONE SAID ANYTHING. At least Miliband was properly going for it with that bacon sarnie rather than eating a f*cking hotdog with f*cking cutlery.
A week after Miliband’s fight with a bacon sandwich I spoke to Chuka Umunna in my wife’s coffee shop where he was eating what I recall to be a Brie, Basil and Tomato Ciabatta. I couldn’t resist having. A joke with him that if he made a wise choice by avoiding the bacon sandwich.
The benefits will take a certain amount of time to come through.
Sadly I think your insulting a huge swathe of the population is unlikely to bring out anyone who voted for Brexit to debate you and your friends.
I fear anyone who stands-up and says, "Yes, I voted for Brexit" is going to get hammered with abuse.
Let me know if you want to discuss it and I'll talk economics. If you're just working through a list of 'Posts where we can abuse people' then I doubt anyone will stand-up.
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:57 - Jul 24 by hampstead_blue
The benefits will take a certain amount of time to come through.
Sadly I think your insulting a huge swathe of the population is unlikely to bring out anyone who voted for Brexit to debate you and your friends.
I fear anyone who stands-up and says, "Yes, I voted for Brexit" is going to get hammered with abuse.
Let me know if you want to discuss it and I'll talk economics. If you're just working through a list of 'Posts where we can abuse people' then I doubt anyone will stand-up.
What are these tangible benefits and how long will it take before these benefits make up for the damage, let alone enrich us?
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:59 - Jul 24 by Herbivore
What are these tangible benefits and how long will it take before these benefits make up for the damage, let alone enrich us?
Are we having a nice chat?
If so then.....I do think that we are such an important trading block for the EU that we won't stray far from their standards.
If it's done right we can have our cake....... If you assume we lose a slice of trade revenue from the EU, that can be offset by multiple other agreements and then exceeded.
I do believe that we can, over time, be strong winners. I also feel that Brexit has potentially left a small crack in the EU. Our success could open that for others, RoI, Denmark (both previously voted to leave I think) to follow us.
These are ideas across a huge topic. They are not formalised and open to picking apart. I'm thinking high level here.
What is your view?
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 14:09 - Jul 24 by hampstead_blue
Are we having a nice chat?
If so then.....I do think that we are such an important trading block for the EU that we won't stray far from their standards.
If it's done right we can have our cake....... If you assume we lose a slice of trade revenue from the EU, that can be offset by multiple other agreements and then exceeded.
I do believe that we can, over time, be strong winners. I also feel that Brexit has potentially left a small crack in the EU. Our success could open that for others, RoI, Denmark (both previously voted to leave I think) to follow us.
These are ideas across a huge topic. They are not formalised and open to picking apart. I'm thinking high level here.
What is your view?
You want to talk serious economics and in your second para you call the UK a trading bloc.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:53 - Jul 24 by GlasgowBlue
A week after Miliband’s fight with a bacon sandwich I spoke to Chuka Umunna in my wife’s coffee shop where he was eating what I recall to be a Brie, Basil and Tomato Ciabatta. I couldn’t resist having. A joke with him that if he made a wise choice by avoiding the bacon sandwich.
Thanks for confirming my opinion of Chukka....what a fecking pretentious butty.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 14:10 - Jul 24 by footers
You want to talk serious economics and in your second para you call the UK a trading bloc.
Lost the right word.......replace with nation/partner.
Thanks. :-)
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:57 - Jul 24 by hampstead_blue
The benefits will take a certain amount of time to come through.
Sadly I think your insulting a huge swathe of the population is unlikely to bring out anyone who voted for Brexit to debate you and your friends.
I fear anyone who stands-up and says, "Yes, I voted for Brexit" is going to get hammered with abuse.
Let me know if you want to discuss it and I'll talk economics. If you're just working through a list of 'Posts where we can abuse people' then I doubt anyone will stand-up.
Who have I “insulted” exactly and how have I “insulted” them? I can’t see any insults in my post.
I mean, if your instant reaction is to get defensive and feel attacked after someone asks you a fair question about your political views with evidence to consider, it may be time to reconsider said views?
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 14:09 - Jul 24 by hampstead_blue
Are we having a nice chat?
If so then.....I do think that we are such an important trading block for the EU that we won't stray far from their standards.
If it's done right we can have our cake....... If you assume we lose a slice of trade revenue from the EU, that can be offset by multiple other agreements and then exceeded.
I do believe that we can, over time, be strong winners. I also feel that Brexit has potentially left a small crack in the EU. Our success could open that for others, RoI, Denmark (both previously voted to leave I think) to follow us.
These are ideas across a huge topic. They are not formalised and open to picking apart. I'm thinking high level here.
What is your view?
My view is that you're talking a lot of guff here. That's just a load of wild speculation, with not a single tangible benefit. We are going from frictionless trade with our nearest neighbours to putting in place barriers to trade. That will cost us in terms of both imports and exports.
The EU can absorb any hit far more easily than us as they still have 27 member states working together. You overestimate Euroscepticism and any desire to leave from the likes of Ireland, that isn't happening. The EU being a large bloc is also in a good position to negotiate favourable free trade deals elsewhere, it already has loads, we won't have those deals anymore (not automatically anyway) and we don't have the muscle on our own to dictate terms in trade deals with others. For example, if we go with close alignment to the EU to get a trade deal with them, we cut off our legs in any negotiation with the likes of the US. Our future is getting to choose who we kneel to, nothing more than that.
I'm afraid your belief in Brexit is going to get its arse well and truly kicked by reality.
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 14:09 - Jul 24 by hampstead_blue
Are we having a nice chat?
If so then.....I do think that we are such an important trading block for the EU that we won't stray far from their standards.
If it's done right we can have our cake....... If you assume we lose a slice of trade revenue from the EU, that can be offset by multiple other agreements and then exceeded.
I do believe that we can, over time, be strong winners. I also feel that Brexit has potentially left a small crack in the EU. Our success could open that for others, RoI, Denmark (both previously voted to leave I think) to follow us.
These are ideas across a huge topic. They are not formalised and open to picking apart. I'm thinking high level here.
What is your view?
You said you were going to talk economics.
So let’s see the provable and detailed economic benefits laid out.
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I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 15:31 - Jul 24 with 2900 views
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 12:23 - Jul 24 by clive_baker
Out of interest, are there any stats around 2015 election voters and subsequent Brexit vote. In some respects that's more interesting than subsequent elections, where the result of the Brexit vote perhaps informed voting to a greater extent.
2015 election still winds me up, Milliband was a good prospect. Could've avoided all of this BS.
The Unions ensured the wrong brother was chosen.
If they had chosen the correct brother we would be in an entirely different place right now.
All men and women are created, by the, you know the, you know the thing.
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I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 15:48 - Jul 24 with 2882 views
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 15:31 - Jul 24 by flimflam
The Unions ensured the wrong brother was chosen.
If they had chosen the correct brother we would be in an entirely different place right now.
Wrong.
If people voted on substance we'd have an entirely different situation now.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 15:14 - Jul 24 by Herbivore
My view is that you're talking a lot of guff here. That's just a load of wild speculation, with not a single tangible benefit. We are going from frictionless trade with our nearest neighbours to putting in place barriers to trade. That will cost us in terms of both imports and exports.
The EU can absorb any hit far more easily than us as they still have 27 member states working together. You overestimate Euroscepticism and any desire to leave from the likes of Ireland, that isn't happening. The EU being a large bloc is also in a good position to negotiate favourable free trade deals elsewhere, it already has loads, we won't have those deals anymore (not automatically anyway) and we don't have the muscle on our own to dictate terms in trade deals with others. For example, if we go with close alignment to the EU to get a trade deal with them, we cut off our legs in any negotiation with the likes of the US. Our future is getting to choose who we kneel to, nothing more than that.
I'm afraid your belief in Brexit is going to get its arse well and truly kicked by reality.
I don't think anyone can speak with certainty over what will happen. Speculation is all we've got.
I do feel positive, not quite jumping for joy, but I never was. I don't follow the line that we are holed below the water line.
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:36 - Jul 24 by Herbivore
Agreed. The two issues interact as well as part of the issue with Corbyn for voters was his lack of a clear stance on Brexit. Leavers didn't trust him as he tentatively supported a second referendum and remainers didn't trust him either given his disappearing act in 2016 and his stance of not supporting remain in a second referendum.
Of course there were other issues with Corbyn, not least the handling of antisemitism, that put people off, but to make out that the election was solely about Corbyn is rewriting history. It was first and foremost a Brexit election and Johnson's clear message won over many leavers, whilst Corbyn's mixed messaging alienated both sides.
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YouGov polling said that Corbyn was the biggest factor for the 2019 Labour defectors, with Brexit in 2nd place. However, I reckon it's about neck and neck, because many leavers in red wall seats had already switched to Tory in 2017, I assume due to the Brexit means Brexit rhetoric. There were loads of seats where the Tories cut Labour majorities against the national swing in 2017 and then went on to win them last year - Ashfield, Bolsover, Dudley North, Newcastle Under Lyme etc.
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 13:57 - Jul 24 by hampstead_blue
The benefits will take a certain amount of time to come through.
Sadly I think your insulting a huge swathe of the population is unlikely to bring out anyone who voted for Brexit to debate you and your friends.
I fear anyone who stands-up and says, "Yes, I voted for Brexit" is going to get hammered with abuse.
Let me know if you want to discuss it and I'll talk economics. If you're just working through a list of 'Posts where we can abuse people' then I doubt anyone will stand-up.
Those benefits may take up to 50 years, according to Mr Rees Mogg
Also, being asked for the benefits of a decision you made that will affect all of us isn't insulting
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 14:09 - Jul 24 by hampstead_blue
Are we having a nice chat?
If so then.....I do think that we are such an important trading block for the EU that we won't stray far from their standards.
If it's done right we can have our cake....... If you assume we lose a slice of trade revenue from the EU, that can be offset by multiple other agreements and then exceeded.
I do believe that we can, over time, be strong winners. I also feel that Brexit has potentially left a small crack in the EU. Our success could open that for others, RoI, Denmark (both previously voted to leave I think) to follow us.
These are ideas across a huge topic. They are not formalised and open to picking apart. I'm thinking high level here.
What is your view?
That’s the official line from the Vote Leave camp, but there’s not a shred of evidence to back those claims up.
At the moment we’re mostly replacing lost deals with ones on worst terms. There will be new trade deals that we couldn’t do before, but I’ve yet to see a non-political trade expert thing they will offset the losses from Europe. The chances of us being “strong winners” look pretty slim.
And freer trade is only the half of it (we trade with those countries we want to deals with already, so the gains will be limited for, in some cases, substantial concessions around standards.
Maybe we will spend our way out of this mess as seems to be the plan. But that will come back to cost all of us.
As for ROI and Denmark thinking we’re making a success of it and wanting to follow, I think you need to put the propaganda down. They think we’re nuts.
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 17:32 - Jul 24 by hampstead_blue
I don't think anyone can speak with certainty over what will happen. Speculation is all we've got.
I do feel positive, not quite jumping for joy, but I never was. I don't follow the line that we are holed below the water line.
All you have is blind faith. You don't even have a cogent argument, just blind faith. Reality is going to destroy you but you'll still find ways to explain it away I'm sure.
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 17:32 - Jul 24 by hampstead_blue
I don't think anyone can speak with certainty over what will happen. Speculation is all we've got.
I do feel positive, not quite jumping for joy, but I never was. I don't follow the line that we are holed below the water line.
Sorry, but again I don’t think that’s right. Yes there’s uncertainty, but the various people who work alongside the EU, and who understand how the past relationship worked and the likely impact of future changes, are able to make informed assessments of future prospects. That’s far more than I’ll-informed speculation.
You may not know what’s going to happen (and many of us don’t in fairness). But those who do understand more think this is a mind-numbingly stupid idea.
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 21:51 - Jul 24 by 26_Paz
Our future will be far brighter outside this doomed project than inside it.
Why is it that only utter Muppets seem to be keen on it then? No offence.
And why can these utter Muppets provide no evidence whatsoever to back up their feeling that it's going to be great? No offence.
They are cultists, just like Trump supporters. No offence.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
I have to ask the still remaining ardent Tory/Brexit cheerleaders on 21:51 - Jul 24 by 26_Paz
Our future will be far brighter outside this doomed project than inside it.
What exactly is it about our future being dictated by unelected foreigners in the US, Russian and Chinese governments rather than elected ones in Europe that appeals to you?
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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