| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty 11:25 - Jul 29 with 15403 views | tractordownsouth |
I think this sums up my reaction to it... now they can’t blame immigrants anymore, it’s back to poverty shaming
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:50 - Jul 29 with 6226 views | Libero |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:47 - Jul 29 by sparks |
Oh dear- that's about as clear a shot in one's own foot as could be conceived. |
No mate, I just cba to go over the points that I've gone over with you before and that clearly did nothing to change your mind.
You're a bit ignorant on this subject, that's fine, we all have areas that we're not as strong in as we think we are. |  | | |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:51 - Jul 29 with 6215 views | NBVJohn |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:29 - Jul 29 by sparks |
I remain of the view that anyone who actually wants to make an effort to cook, has absolutely no difficulty in finding out how. The sheer volume of cooking information on telly and the internet is extraordinary. |
Yes, there is an over load of cooking TV channels and internet information.
What we lack is basic education on nutrition and basic cooking principles. The internet and TV chefs are no substitute for this.
The fact that apparently a significant proportion of the population are unable to do anything with a potato that cook it in fat is worrying. Potatoes are a versatile and nutritious staple if part of a balanced diet but are pretty useless to you if you don’t know how to prepare them. |  | | |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:54 - Jul 29 with 6201 views | Pendejo |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:49 - Jul 29 by Libero |
You are of course correct, but as I insinuated further up the thread, this is precisely the kind of debate that Twitter encourages which takes away from the actual issue(s) at hand.
There are people out there who for a variety of reasons need support to eat better, that's essentially the issue at hand, not the merit of boiled potatoes VS chips or oven chips vs smart price potatoes. |
For me the term food poverty relates to those who have no income at all who come to the food aid site where my wife works on a Monday or a Thursday.
Monday's special was tons of courgettes. |  |
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:56 - Jul 29 with 6189 views | Libero |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:54 - Jul 29 by Pendejo |
For me the term food poverty relates to those who have no income at all who come to the food aid site where my wife works on a Monday or a Thursday.
Monday's special was tons of courgettes. |
I understand why you hold that view, personally I think it's a bit broader by that, but that's purely from having worked in the education system and other institutions with young people. | | | |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:56 - Jul 29 with 6188 views | sparks |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:50 - Jul 29 by Libero |
No mate, I just cba to go over the points that I've gone over with you before and that clearly did nothing to change your mind.
You're a bit ignorant on this subject, that's fine, we all have areas that we're not as strong in as we think we are. |
Weak and rude.
My point is clearly sound and stands.
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:57 - Jul 29 with 6184 views | Libero |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:51 - Jul 29 by NBVJohn |
Yes, there is an over load of cooking TV channels and internet information.
What we lack is basic education on nutrition and basic cooking principles. The internet and TV chefs are no substitute for this.
The fact that apparently a significant proportion of the population are unable to do anything with a potato that cook it in fat is worrying. Potatoes are a versatile and nutritious staple if part of a balanced diet but are pretty useless to you if you don’t know how to prepare them. |
DO THESE PEOPLE NOT KNOW THAT READY STEADY COOK IS ON?! | | | |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:02 - Jul 29 with 6174 views | DanTheMan |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:49 - Jul 29 by Pendejo |
As the member of the Reece Mogg clan points out, the chips cost more than the equivalent weight of fresh potatoes.
The main difference being all you have to do with them is drop them in a deep fat fryer (or maybe an oven tray), whereas the potatoes may need preparing (wash, peel, chop etc.) - hence laziness or as you've said, lack of education. |
I'm not sure it's even laziness as much as time. Even then, we're just comparing potatoes. Then there's all the types of vegetables, and how to cook them as well. Then you've got the protein, which no doubt will just be some form of meat not prepared great.
Or you could just stick a pizza in, which due to high content of salt and fat, will taste fairly good.
And then, what if the adult doesn't enjoy cooking like my own mother. We didn't eat terribly growing up but my mother hated cooking, worked full time and had four children to feed. So by the time she was done, had picked us all up from school etc. it was now say half five. She's got to make sure we're all behaving and doing our school work whilst preparing dinner which she hates doing.
I can tell you now that food was never really seasoned so at least two of the four of us grew up hating fruit and vegetables. Thankfully I didn't mind just boiled, unseasoned vegetables.
It's funny hearing her a few years back saying "I always put a little bit of salt in with spaghetti but don't know why", not realising it's for flavour. |  |
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:18 - Jul 29 with 6149 views | sparks |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:02 - Jul 29 by DanTheMan |
I'm not sure it's even laziness as much as time. Even then, we're just comparing potatoes. Then there's all the types of vegetables, and how to cook them as well. Then you've got the protein, which no doubt will just be some form of meat not prepared great.
Or you could just stick a pizza in, which due to high content of salt and fat, will taste fairly good.
And then, what if the adult doesn't enjoy cooking like my own mother. We didn't eat terribly growing up but my mother hated cooking, worked full time and had four children to feed. So by the time she was done, had picked us all up from school etc. it was now say half five. She's got to make sure we're all behaving and doing our school work whilst preparing dinner which she hates doing.
I can tell you now that food was never really seasoned so at least two of the four of us grew up hating fruit and vegetables. Thankfully I didn't mind just boiled, unseasoned vegetables.
It's funny hearing her a few years back saying "I always put a little bit of salt in with spaghetti but don't know why", not realising it's for flavour. |
I would gently suggest that, for many, a pizza tastes better, is quicker, and only marginally more expensive than cooking something properly and nutritiously. I am thoroughly guilty of that on many more occasions than I should be. It is not a lack of knowledge, access to information, or funds that causes that. Of course- there are instances where those are issues. In many instances that is a choice rather than some shortage in access to knowledge- undoubtedly, there are people who have been brought up in that mindset, and have simply followed the patterns their parents established.
There is a point at which you have to recognise that people have responsibility for their own lives. | |
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:20 - Jul 29 with 6142 views | Libero |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:56 - Jul 29 by sparks |
Weak and rude.
My point is clearly sound and stands.
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It really doesn't, and it's been explained previously at length as to why it doesn't.
You fill your boots with privilege though mate. | | | |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:24 - Jul 29 with 6130 views | SpruceMoose |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:56 - Jul 29 by sparks |
Weak and rude.
My point is clearly sound and stands.
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You may be technically correct, but you're showing a distinct lack of insight into this particular demographic and why cooking may be an alien task to them. |  |
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:32 - Jul 29 with 6093 views | Libero |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:24 - Jul 29 by SpruceMoose |
You may be technically correct, but you're showing a distinct lack of insight into this particular demographic and why cooking may be an alien task to them. |
Sorry mate, but Master Chef is on, so... | | | |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:40 - Jul 29 with 6067 views | sparks |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:24 - Jul 29 by SpruceMoose |
You may be technically correct, but you're showing a distinct lack of insight into this particular demographic and why cooking may be an alien task to them. |
Err - nope.
There is nothing in what I have said that allows you to reaosnably conclude that. | |
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:49 - Jul 29 with 6054 views | SpruceMoose |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:40 - Jul 29 by sparks |
Err - nope.
There is nothing in what I have said that allows you to reaosnably conclude that. |
"Nope" is not an argument, and not every discussion is a legal battle. Like I said, frequently you may well be technically correct about an aspect of an issue, but anything involving a more human touch flies over your head.
I'll leave it there to save wasting both our times. | |
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:51 - Jul 29 with 6042 views | sparks |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:49 - Jul 29 by SpruceMoose |
"Nope" is not an argument, and not every discussion is a legal battle. Like I said, frequently you may well be technically correct about an aspect of an issue, but anything involving a more human touch flies over your head.
I'll leave it there to save wasting both our times. |
You make an accusation which you do not explain or back up in any way.
Simple as that. | |
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:01 - Jul 29 with 6008 views | SpruceMoose |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:51 - Jul 29 by sparks |
You make an accusation which you do not explain or back up in any way.
Simple as that. |
"I remain of the view that anyone who actually wants to make an effort to cook, has absolutely no difficulty in finding out how. The sheer volume of cooking information on telly and the internet is extraordinary."
This here is your problem and this here is my accusation. Your view seems extremely myopic and grounded in your own limited experiences. Yes of course cooking information is available online or in books. You are correct. So why doesn't everyone take advantage of it?
It seems impossible for you to accept that other people may very well have extremely good reasons as to why the barrier to them cooking isn't an unwillingness to Google a few recipes. It's not about effort, it's about a combination of nobody ever showing them how to prepare quick, healthy meals and living with a budget that doesn't allow for experimentation. You buy what you know you and your kids will eat, you buy what you know you can successfully prepare, you can't waste money on recipes gone wrong.
If you can't empathise with those in that situation perhaps you should stay in your lane and stop acting as if you're some kind of authority on every single subject.
Now, I really will leave it there. [Post edited 29 Jul 2020 14:03]
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:02 - Jul 29 with 6002 views | Libero |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:01 - Jul 29 by SpruceMoose |
"I remain of the view that anyone who actually wants to make an effort to cook, has absolutely no difficulty in finding out how. The sheer volume of cooking information on telly and the internet is extraordinary."
This here is your problem and this here is my accusation. Your view seems extremely myopic and grounded in your own limited experiences. Yes of course cooking information is available online or in books. You are correct. So why doesn't everyone take advantage of it?
It seems impossible for you to accept that other people may very well have extremely good reasons as to why the barrier to them cooking isn't an unwillingness to Google a few recipes. It's not about effort, it's about a combination of nobody ever showing them how to prepare quick, healthy meals and living with a budget that doesn't allow for experimentation. You buy what you know you and your kids will eat, you buy what you know you can successfully prepare, you can't waste money on recipes gone wrong.
If you can't empathise with those in that situation perhaps you should stay in your lane and stop acting as if you're some kind of authority on every single subject.
Now, I really will leave it there. [Post edited 29 Jul 2020 14:03]
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Yeah, but, Ainsley Harriott... | | | |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:04 - Jul 29 with 5985 views | SpruceMoose |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:02 - Jul 29 by Libero |
Yeah, but, Ainsley Harriott... |
I think reading the thoughts and experiences of someone like Jack Monroe would be a good place to start for some. | |
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:10 - Jul 29 with 5967 views | Libero |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:04 - Jul 29 by SpruceMoose |
I think reading the thoughts and experiences of someone like Jack Monroe would be a good place to start for some. |
Solid suggestion, that.
Personally, I'd just, y'know, respect the views of people who have worked directly with the demographic mentioned in a relevant field and hold experiences that go beyond my own horizons.
I've been thinking though, it may be a better tact to just call them a snowflake when challenged, then without the slightest hint of irony report them for abuse when they firmly put me in my place in a non abusive manner.
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:12 - Jul 29 with 5957 views | SpruceMoose |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:10 - Jul 29 by Libero |
Solid suggestion, that.
Personally, I'd just, y'know, respect the views of people who have worked directly with the demographic mentioned in a relevant field and hold experiences that go beyond my own horizons.
I've been thinking though, it may be a better tact to just call them a snowflake when challenged, then without the slightest hint of irony report them for abuse when they firmly put me in my place in a non abusive manner.
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Well I've said what I think. I think Bully gets carried away with the letter of the law and misses the spirit of it quite frequently.
Nobody likes the guy who feels the need to repeatedly and unnecessarily remind you that 'actually it's eight fingers and two thumbs'. That guy doesn't get invited to many parties. [Post edited 29 Jul 2020 14:13]
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:15 - Jul 29 with 5945 views | Libero |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:12 - Jul 29 by SpruceMoose |
Well I've said what I think. I think Bully gets carried away with the letter of the law and misses the spirit of it quite frequently.
Nobody likes the guy who feels the need to repeatedly and unnecessarily remind you that 'actually it's eight fingers and two thumbs'. That guy doesn't get invited to many parties. [Post edited 29 Jul 2020 14:13]
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Interestingly Phil has removed the post where sparks called me a derogatory term but left the post Bully reported as alleged abuse up, I had no issues with Bully calling me names, although I did find his response arrogant, cheap and beneath a man of his stature.
Edit: Phil has since removed the post, was obviously an error to leave it up, disappointingly.
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:19 - Jul 29 with 5934 views | Swansea_Blue |
Just eat potatoes, YOU FILTHY PEASANTS!!
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:23 - Jul 29 with 5919 views | DanTheMan |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 13:18 - Jul 29 by sparks |
I would gently suggest that, for many, a pizza tastes better, is quicker, and only marginally more expensive than cooking something properly and nutritiously. I am thoroughly guilty of that on many more occasions than I should be. It is not a lack of knowledge, access to information, or funds that causes that. Of course- there are instances where those are issues. In many instances that is a choice rather than some shortage in access to knowledge- undoubtedly, there are people who have been brought up in that mindset, and have simply followed the patterns their parents established.
There is a point at which you have to recognise that people have responsibility for their own lives. |
I'm not saying they don't have any responsibility, I'm saying we should break the cycle by teaching children stuff they are not going to get at home.
If we took your view point to it's extreme, why teach people anything formally? Just give them access to the internet and let them get at it. | |
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:25 - Jul 29 with 5913 views | Libero |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:23 - Jul 29 by DanTheMan |
I'm not saying they don't have any responsibility, I'm saying we should break the cycle by teaching children stuff they are not going to get at home.
If we took your view point to it's extreme, why teach people anything formally? Just give them access to the internet and let them get at it. |
The Hairy Bikers, are on Tuesday, 18:00 - problem solved. | | | |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 14:33 - Jul 29 with 5887 views | GeoffSentence |
By chips, do they mean crisps? |  |
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| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 15:02 - Jul 29 with 5854 views | giant_stow |
| Annunziata Rees Mogg lecturing people on food poverty on 12:30 - Jul 29 by sparks |
Humans are often lazy. I include myself in that. |
or just short of time, especially at the moment with kids off school for months, but work continuing.
I can't blame people for taking a short cut sometimes when you've been working hard / looking after nippers all day long in a groundhog day life. |  |
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