| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players 10:33 - Aug 13 with 14355 views | Keno |
We have a half decent squad, lots of highly talented young players coming through
if we have manager with the ability the mould theym in a team with an effective playing style and coach them into being the best players they can be ......
..... oh......
Ok, so who are we signing and when!!!!! |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 14:58 - Aug 13 with 890 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:43 - Aug 13 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
But one of those blips was essentially the period from 2013-2018, so it’s a myth that we’ve been rubbish for years
In fact I could just as easily point to our trajectory from 2009-2018 and say we were on the rise
In reality yes there are wider problems at the club without doubt, the job McCarthy was doing looks better by the month and pushing for promotion to the PL is clearly a massive ask
However, we’re now in the third division, so it’s not unreasonable to think a manager should have been able to have us challenging right at the top end in this division. In fact I’d go as far as to say that being mid table is the absolute bottom of where we could realistically be projected to be. In that context I find you still making excuses for him at every opportunity to be completely mental, but there you go
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I find the idea that Mick McCarthy's entire tenure was a resounding success mental, but there you go. |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:04 - Aug 13 with 865 views | Bluefish |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 14:58 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
I find the idea that Mick McCarthy's entire tenure was a resounding success mental, but there you go. |
As mental as you find PRPs to be a failure or different? |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:11 - Aug 13 with 846 views | haynes_toe1 |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 14:58 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
I find the idea that Mick McCarthy's entire tenure was a resounding success mental, but there you go. |
I mean, the facts of whats happened post McCarthy say otherwise. |  | | |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:11 - Aug 13 with 843 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:44 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
We were in play off contention up to around late February or early March that season. The atmosphere around the place rather than our actual league position made it feel like a poor season when it really wasn't.
You say we've been declining for years. That's not entirely accurate. For one thing, one season aside, Mick had us consistently top half in the Championship which was an improvement from 15th where we seemed to be mired for a while. Since then Hurst and Lambert have taken us out of the Championship without a fight and Lambert has taken us to 11th place in the third tier. That is the biggest decline arguably in our entire history under his stewardship. And you're happy to see him given longer. I find that really hard to fathom. It's not like we've improved over his time here. It's not like we struggled immediately after relegation but were on the charge when the season ended. Quite the opposite in fact.
As far as I can see your only justification for Lambert having longer is as a result of you overplaying how bad things have been here and has nothing at all to do with what Lambert has done or looks capable of doing. |
Mick had us punching above our weight using boring, dogmatic, hang on for 0-0 tactics. Anti-football. It was a success in terms of league places (if you call mid table in the Championship almost every year a success), but you can hardly say we were on an upward curve again.
That desperate style is only sustainable for so long (well, around 5 years as it turns out). I'm not sure how much more of it any of us could take, particularly those of us who went to games and had to sit through it. I was very close to giving up my ST of almost 30 years. That, to me, is not success or an upward curve.
Honestly, I don't know what Lambert is capable of yet. He was fighting fire when he came in, faced with the worst ITFC squad I've ever known. This last season he fecked up, largely by rotating too much, and injuries didn't help (as someone said the other day, without KVY being crocked we'd have probably made the play offs).
I would've given any manager longer than this to turn this club around. He's done a lot of good things off the pitch but I agree he has to start showing some consistency on it pretty soon. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:13 - Aug 13 with 840 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:11 - Aug 13 by haynes_toe1 |
I mean, the facts of whats happened post McCarthy say otherwise. |
You're missing the point. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:20 - Aug 13 with 827 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:11 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
Mick had us punching above our weight using boring, dogmatic, hang on for 0-0 tactics. Anti-football. It was a success in terms of league places (if you call mid table in the Championship almost every year a success), but you can hardly say we were on an upward curve again.
That desperate style is only sustainable for so long (well, around 5 years as it turns out). I'm not sure how much more of it any of us could take, particularly those of us who went to games and had to sit through it. I was very close to giving up my ST of almost 30 years. That, to me, is not success or an upward curve.
Honestly, I don't know what Lambert is capable of yet. He was fighting fire when he came in, faced with the worst ITFC squad I've ever known. This last season he fecked up, largely by rotating too much, and injuries didn't help (as someone said the other day, without KVY being crocked we'd have probably made the play offs).
I would've given any manager longer than this to turn this club around. He's done a lot of good things off the pitch but I agree he has to start showing some consistency on it pretty soon. |
You honestly don't feel you can make a judgement about Lambert after nearly 2 years in the job, almost all of which have seen us on a downward trajectory? If you've not seen anything to know what he's capable of that tells you something. It tells you he's not capable of anything. I'd like to know three things he's done as manager, in terms of on the pitch stuff, that makes anyone think he might be up to the job.
What was your view on the sacking of Hurst out of interest? You seem to have a blanket view that 2 years is the minimum any manager should be given so I wonder if you felt he should also have been given that kind of time to prove himself. |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:22 - Aug 13 with 819 views | hype313 |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:20 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
You honestly don't feel you can make a judgement about Lambert after nearly 2 years in the job, almost all of which have seen us on a downward trajectory? If you've not seen anything to know what he's capable of that tells you something. It tells you he's not capable of anything. I'd like to know three things he's done as manager, in terms of on the pitch stuff, that makes anyone think he might be up to the job.
What was your view on the sacking of Hurst out of interest? You seem to have a blanket view that 2 years is the minimum any manager should be given so I wonder if you felt he should also have been given that kind of time to prove himself. |
The glaring omission most are making on here is look at his history of management, bar one season (which looks like a fluke now) he has achieved nothing, nothing from his previous roles suggests he will make a success of things here. |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:28 - Aug 13 with 806 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:20 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
You honestly don't feel you can make a judgement about Lambert after nearly 2 years in the job, almost all of which have seen us on a downward trajectory? If you've not seen anything to know what he's capable of that tells you something. It tells you he's not capable of anything. I'd like to know three things he's done as manager, in terms of on the pitch stuff, that makes anyone think he might be up to the job.
What was your view on the sacking of Hurst out of interest? You seem to have a blanket view that 2 years is the minimum any manager should be given so I wonder if you felt he should also have been given that kind of time to prove himself. |
He bucked my trend, largely by the way he immediately shipped out all our best players (and the way him and Doig apparently dealt with the players left behind). He was a special kind of bad.
Every other ITFC manager I've given plenty of time to. I probably gave Keane and Jewell too much, but hey, I like to see the good in people.
Certainly, pressing the eject button as soon as things go a bit squiffy isn't the right way to run a football club IMO.
I asked earlier, but you didn't answer - if Dyer and Burley came in tomorrow, would you give them a year before turning on them if we weren't flying? Genuine question. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:34 - Aug 13 with 792 views | Bluefish |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:28 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
He bucked my trend, largely by the way he immediately shipped out all our best players (and the way him and Doig apparently dealt with the players left behind). He was a special kind of bad.
Every other ITFC manager I've given plenty of time to. I probably gave Keane and Jewell too much, but hey, I like to see the good in people.
Certainly, pressing the eject button as soon as things go a bit squiffy isn't the right way to run a football club IMO.
I asked earlier, but you didn't answer - if Dyer and Burley came in tomorrow, would you give them a year before turning on them if we weren't flying? Genuine question. |
In answer to your question, the bit you seem to be missing is the football side of it. Do we look like we are putting together a plan to be better? Are we working towards a clear strategy that shows so a plan? We don't have to win every game or gain immediate promotion we just need to have a plan and do all of our work towards that plan. If they can come in and make headway towards creating a team and an identity then they will get time | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:40 - Aug 13 with 774 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:28 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
He bucked my trend, largely by the way he immediately shipped out all our best players (and the way him and Doig apparently dealt with the players left behind). He was a special kind of bad.
Every other ITFC manager I've given plenty of time to. I probably gave Keane and Jewell too much, but hey, I like to see the good in people.
Certainly, pressing the eject button as soon as things go a bit squiffy isn't the right way to run a football club IMO.
I asked earlier, but you didn't answer - if Dyer and Burley came in tomorrow, would you give them a year before turning on them if we weren't flying? Genuine question. |
It really depends. If after a year they'd been constantly rotating the team, not giving the youngsters game time, not developing a clear system or style of play, not showing any sign of having a short or long term plan, and generally giving off an air of negativity, then yes I'd be saying after a year that I don't think it's working.
I would hope, though, that a team of Burley and Dyer wouldn't do all of those things and that being the case I'd be willing to give them more time to build something. Nothing, literally nothing, Lambert has done here suggests to me he either is or is capable of building something that could be a success now or in the future. [Post edited 13 Aug 2020 15:44]
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 17:42 - Aug 13 with 719 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 15:40 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
It really depends. If after a year they'd been constantly rotating the team, not giving the youngsters game time, not developing a clear system or style of play, not showing any sign of having a short or long term plan, and generally giving off an air of negativity, then yes I'd be saying after a year that I don't think it's working.
I would hope, though, that a team of Burley and Dyer wouldn't do all of those things and that being the case I'd be willing to give them more time to build something. Nothing, literally nothing, Lambert has done here suggests to me he either is or is capable of building something that could be a success now or in the future. [Post edited 13 Aug 2020 15:44]
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Fair enough, that's a reasonable view. Playing devil's advocate, I guess Lambert was trying lots of different systems to see which worked best. He does need to settle on one and like I said, hit the ground running very soon.
I just worry what's next. If it's Dyer/Burley, I'm firmly onboard, as you know. Anything else? I shudder to think with Evans calling the shots. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 18:12 - Aug 13 with 701 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 17:42 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
Fair enough, that's a reasonable view. Playing devil's advocate, I guess Lambert was trying lots of different systems to see which worked best. He does need to settle on one and like I said, hit the ground running very soon.
I just worry what's next. If it's Dyer/Burley, I'm firmly onboard, as you know. Anything else? I shudder to think with Evans calling the shots. |
The thing is, Dollers, Lambert basically had a free hit the second half of the season before last. We were as good as down come January so he could have started looking ahead to next season then, both in terms of strengthening and coming up with a system and style of play. There's no excuse at all for us to have spent pretty much all of last season not knowing what team, system, or style of play we were going to adopt from one game to the next. At the latest, by the end of last preseason Lambert should have known the system he wanted to play and we should have been developing a way of playing. That we still don't have that nearly 2 years in is unforgiveable.
I don't have much faith in ME when it comes to appointing managers, but at this point I'd take almost anyone over Lambert. He looks to be completely clueless. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 18:53 - Aug 13 with 682 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 18:12 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
The thing is, Dollers, Lambert basically had a free hit the second half of the season before last. We were as good as down come January so he could have started looking ahead to next season then, both in terms of strengthening and coming up with a system and style of play. There's no excuse at all for us to have spent pretty much all of last season not knowing what team, system, or style of play we were going to adopt from one game to the next. At the latest, by the end of last preseason Lambert should have known the system he wanted to play and we should have been developing a way of playing. That we still don't have that nearly 2 years in is unforgiveable.
I don't have much faith in ME when it comes to appointing managers, but at this point I'd take almost anyone over Lambert. He looks to be completely clueless. |
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