| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players 10:33 - Aug 13 with 14047 views | Keno |
We have a half decent squad, lots of highly talented young players coming through
if we have manager with the ability the mould theym in a team with an effective playing style and coach them into being the best players they can be ......
..... oh......
Ok, so who are we signing and when!!!!! |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:02 - Aug 13 with 3987 views | Bluefish |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:00 - Aug 13 by Parky |
What a strange comparison. Lambert has been here for 2 years and as Joe has rightfully pointed out 20 of the players are Lamberts players he’s either signed or extended deals. |
#freehit
He has also been a disaster a multiple other clubs |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:17 - Aug 13 with 3953 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:35 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
I think the issue people take with it is the linking of last season's failures with the need to add to the squad, implying that he thinks it is down to the quality of the squad rather than his piss poor management that last season was such a failure. If he thinks that all we need is a couple of signings rather than a fairly significant change of approach from him then we're in trouble. |
There's no evidence he thinks like that. He's said he's looked at some things he'd have done differently.
Equally most on here think we could do with a couple of new signings, so it's not that radical an idea.
Your colours are so firmly nailed to the Lambert Out mast that nothing he does or says will change your view now. |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:23 - Aug 13 with 3930 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:17 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
There's no evidence he thinks like that. He's said he's looked at some things he'd have done differently.
Equally most on here think we could do with a couple of new signings, so it's not that radical an idea.
Your colours are so firmly nailed to the Lambert Out mast that nothing he does or says will change your view now. |
Actually winning some games might help |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:24 - Aug 13 with 3925 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:17 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
There's no evidence he thinks like that. He's said he's looked at some things he'd have done differently.
Equally most on here think we could do with a couple of new signings, so it's not that radical an idea.
Your colours are so firmly nailed to the Lambert Out mast that nothing he does or says will change your view now. |
After nearly 2 years of absolute dross anyone that doesn't want Lambert out has lost the plot. |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:25 - Aug 13 with 3911 views | Bluefish |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:23 - Aug 13 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Actually winning some games might help |
Is that important? | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:30 - Aug 13 with 3888 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:40 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
He's been here nearly 2 years with zero signs of improvement. |
I agree. I just personally don't think 2 years is enough, especially when the first was trying to assemble the crap Hurst left behind into something that might function. And especially when you consider how long we've been pretty rubbish. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:34 - Aug 13 with 3865 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:30 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
I agree. I just personally don't think 2 years is enough, especially when the first was trying to assemble the crap Hurst left behind into something that might function. And especially when you consider how long we've been pretty rubbish. |
How can two years not be enough? We've just finished 11th in the third division and ended the season in abysmal form. There is literally zero evidence that we are improving under Lambert. There's nothing to suggest he is capable of doing the job we need him to do. How long is long enough to realise that actually he just isn't up to it? Did you think Keane, Jewell and Hurst deserved longer? | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:39 - Aug 13 with 3843 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:30 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
I agree. I just personally don't think 2 years is enough, especially when the first was trying to assemble the crap Hurst left behind into something that might function. And especially when you consider how long we've been pretty rubbish. |
We finished in the top half of the Championship 2 years ago so we haven’t been rubbish for that long, that’s a complete myth
We’re also now in division 3, so it really isn’t an excuse for last season | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:44 - Aug 13 with 3825 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:39 - Aug 13 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
We finished in the top half of the Championship 2 years ago so we haven’t been rubbish for that long, that’s a complete myth
We’re also now in division 3, so it really isn’t an excuse for last season |
Exactly. Go back a little over 2 years and we'd just finished above Norwich and Leeds in the league and had a decent squad with a blend of experienced pros and promising youngsters. It's not true to say we've been rubbish for ages.
We've just finished 11th in the third division, Lambert has overseen that. That's genuine rubbish. I just can't see any argument for him deserving more time. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:52 - Aug 13 with 3800 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:50 - Aug 13 by Bluefish |
Completely agree, we are going to repeat the mick situation again where the fan base is going to turn on the manager for every goal conceded and every point dropped. It isnt healthy, i suppose he needs a strong start and the fan to be kept away for as long as possible.
We just seem to have a great opportunity to let the new bloke bed in now and build his own team, with transfer windows and salary caps that will be even harder to do if we wait |
What’s the point though?
With Evans in charge, whoever he brings in will be sh*te anyway. One good appointment in 12 years ffs. And even then he ruined any chance we had by selling everyone and replacing them with freebies.
Your anger towards Lambert is fair. But Evans is the main problem so whilst he’s here I can’t bring myself to be so anti-Lambert when it’s ultimately irrelevant. |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:03 - Aug 13 with 3771 views | davblue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:30 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
I agree. I just personally don't think 2 years is enough, especially when the first was trying to assemble the crap Hurst left behind into something that might function. And especially when you consider how long we've been pretty rubbish. |
2 years might not be long enough if you can see what someone is trying to do and there are improvements, there isn't any of that. Not one ounce of a playing style that's demonstrable.
Joe earlier on in the year if i recall correctly said the man management from Lambert has gone also.
If that was your great skill and you don't coach, he's not a tactical manager, there isn't much going for you as a football manager and you will get found out. [Post edited 13 Aug 2020 13:53]
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:03 - Aug 13 with 3766 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:45 - Aug 13 by Bluefish |
I'd undo the shoes opposed to continuing the race and blaming others |
Ha, that's actually a good answer.
Lambert's main issue is he needs to stop changing his shoes and just run. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:07 - Aug 13 with 3744 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:51 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
I'd give him some respect for his honesty, but of course I'd still want him out of my club. He's a disaster. |
Unless, presumably, he turns it round and we're flying after the first 10 games. That's all I'm asking for too! The proof of the pudding is in the eating, that's why I don't worry too much about manager soundbites. | |
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| Come off it Jerseys on 13:11 - Aug 13 with 3734 views | Dyland |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:17 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
There's no evidence he thinks like that. He's said he's looked at some things he'd have done differently.
Equally most on here think we could do with a couple of new signings, so it's not that radical an idea.
Your colours are so firmly nailed to the Lambert Out mast that nothing he does or says will change your view now. |
He's completely fooked it up and whilst not in the Hurst catastrophe category, he's making a fine fist of challenging Keane and Jewell in the fight for the second worst of the Evans era.
Herbers is right on Lambert intransigence. Obviously if we started playing in a coherent manner consistently we'd all say fair play keep it going please. |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:14 - Aug 13 with 3723 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:00 - Aug 13 by Parky |
What a strange comparison. Lambert has been here for 2 years and as Joe has rightfully pointed out 20 of the players are Lamberts players he’s either signed or extended deals. |
You say "Lambert has been here for 2 years" as if that's a long time - long enough to turn around a club that's been failing for decades.
I'm not saying Lambert is the answer, but for me it's going to take a lot longer than that given what he came in to. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:21 - Aug 13 with 3706 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:34 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
How can two years not be enough? We've just finished 11th in the third division and ended the season in abysmal form. There is literally zero evidence that we are improving under Lambert. There's nothing to suggest he is capable of doing the job we need him to do. How long is long enough to realise that actually he just isn't up to it? Did you think Keane, Jewell and Hurst deserved longer? |
I think Keane, Jewell and Hurst were different scenarios. Keane definitely didn't - he inherited a pretty decent team that just needed a few tweaks. Like you, that's why I gave Jewell a bit more leeway (as he inherited Keane's mess).
I just think Lambert was dealt such a poor hand, with a few more years of decline than the others under our belts, that 2 years isn't long enough. Maybe I'm just a bit more patient than some of you. Maybe he is awful and no amount of time will make any difference.
If, say, Dyer and Burley took over tomorrow (which, BTW, I'd love) would you give them only a year to sort it out before you'd start turning on them? | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:22 - Aug 13 with 3701 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:07 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
Unless, presumably, he turns it round and we're flying after the first 10 games. That's all I'm asking for too! The proof of the pudding is in the eating, that's why I don't worry too much about manager soundbites. |
I'd still be sceptical after 10 games, given what happened last season. I just don't see him having the capacity to build and sustain anything. My worry isn't so much the soundbites to be honest, it's his complete lack of ability to manage a football team.
I'd love for him to learn from his mistakes, get us working to a plan, and captain HMS Piss the League to the title. However, I don't see a single shred of evidence that he's capable of that, either from his time here or from the last 6 or 7 years of his managerial career. You only give a manager time if they look capable of building something. If they look totally incapable, you get rid. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:24 - Aug 13 with 3690 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:39 - Aug 13 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
We finished in the top half of the Championship 2 years ago so we haven’t been rubbish for that long, that’s a complete myth
We’re also now in division 3, so it really isn’t an excuse for last season |
We've been on a slow but steady downward spiral, minus a couple of small blips, for 20 years. Death by a thousand cuts. If it weren't for Mick's pragmatic football we'd have been down in League 1 long ago.
When were you genuinely last excited thinking we're going to do something? | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:28 - Aug 13 with 3675 views | BrixtonBlue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 12:44 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
Exactly. Go back a little over 2 years and we'd just finished above Norwich and Leeds in the league and had a decent squad with a blend of experienced pros and promising youngsters. It's not true to say we've been rubbish for ages.
We've just finished 11th in the third division, Lambert has overseen that. That's genuine rubbish. I just can't see any argument for him deserving more time. |
Even though we finished above Norwich and Leeds, I don't remember us being that good (and we certainly weren't troubling the play offs).
We've been crap for years, and mostly crap under every manager Evans has employed. I can't remember a time when I genuinely enjoyed the football we were playing week in week out, and getting excited about the possibility of success. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:43 - Aug 13 with 3641 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:24 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
We've been on a slow but steady downward spiral, minus a couple of small blips, for 20 years. Death by a thousand cuts. If it weren't for Mick's pragmatic football we'd have been down in League 1 long ago.
When were you genuinely last excited thinking we're going to do something? |
But one of those blips was essentially the period from 2013-2018, so it’s a myth that we’ve been rubbish for years
In fact I could just as easily point to our trajectory from 2009-2018 and say we were on the rise
In reality yes there are wider problems at the club without doubt, the job McCarthy was doing looks better by the month and pushing for promotion to the PL is clearly a massive ask
However, we’re now in the third division, so it’s not unreasonable to think a manager should have been able to have us challenging right at the top end in this division. In fact I’d go as far as to say that being mid table is the absolute bottom of where we could realistically be projected to be. In that context I find you still making excuses for him at every opportunity to be completely mental, but there you go
Lambert out | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:44 - Aug 13 with 3636 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 13:28 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
Even though we finished above Norwich and Leeds, I don't remember us being that good (and we certainly weren't troubling the play offs).
We've been crap for years, and mostly crap under every manager Evans has employed. I can't remember a time when I genuinely enjoyed the football we were playing week in week out, and getting excited about the possibility of success. |
We were in play off contention up to around late February or early March that season. The atmosphere around the place rather than our actual league position made it feel like a poor season when it really wasn't.
You say we've been declining for years. That's not entirely accurate. For one thing, one season aside, Mick had us consistently top half in the Championship which was an improvement from 15th where we seemed to be mired for a while. Since then Hurst and Lambert have taken us out of the Championship without a fight and Lambert has taken us to 11th place in the third tier. That is the biggest decline arguably in our entire history under his stewardship. And you're happy to see him given longer. I find that really hard to fathom. It's not like we've improved over his time here. It's not like we struggled immediately after relegation but were on the charge when the season ended. Quite the opposite in fact.
As far as I can see your only justification for Lambert having longer is as a result of you overplaying how bad things have been here and has nothing at all to do with what Lambert has done or looks capable of doing. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 14:31 - Aug 13 with 3597 views | GeoffSentence |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:46 - Aug 13 by itfcjoe |
I just don't see anything else bar him being sacked a few weeks into the season after a poor start, we are just wasting time currently - even putting aside his record from last season it's just not right down there |
So far as I am aware money spent on sacking managers doesn't count towards the salary cap. |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 14:37 - Aug 13 with 3592 views | BlueBadger |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:25 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
Maybe some people would like us to have a *whole* decent squad. |
Personally, I think the key signing we should have made this summer was a competent manager. |  |
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| Come off it Jerseys on 14:52 - Aug 13 with 3562 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Come off it Jerseys on 13:11 - Aug 13 by Dyland |
He's completely fooked it up and whilst not in the Hurst catastrophe category, he's making a fine fist of challenging Keane and Jewell in the fight for the second worst of the Evans era.
Herbers is right on Lambert intransigence. Obviously if we started playing in a coherent manner consistently we'd all say fair play keep it going please. |
Well he isn't going anywhere so let's wait and see, eh? | |
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| Come off it Jerseys on 14:54 - Aug 13 with 3557 views | Dyland |
| Come off it Jerseys on 14:52 - Aug 13 by BrixtonBlue |
Well he isn't going anywhere so let's wait and see, eh? |
Indeed. | |
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