| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. 19:02 - Sep 1 with 2455 views | ArnieM |
Downes clearly wants to leave this Club. He has no further interest in remaining a Town player. Fine, that’s his prerogative. However he is contracted to this Club ( and was very happy to sign on the dotted line when it was offered and was no doubt an improved contract). He has shown no loyalty and wants away at the first sniff of another Club taking hard interest in him. But business works both ways young man. This Club wants a good deal too. And I hope we get it .
However , Downes having nailed his colours to the post, IMO, now should no longer expect to be first choice in our midfield. Frankly I’d bring the likes of Dobra into the squad and let him have a chance. Play the otter MF’ers we have such as Bishop, Huws, Dozzell and demote Downes to the reserves . It was his choice to turn his back on this Club. Do he can twiddle his things until we get a deal we want .
Loyalty works both ways . As soon as we were relegated , he was always going to jump ship.
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:05 - Sep 1 with 2159 views | J2BLUE |
There is no suggestion he's throwing his toys out over this. Demoting our best player and biggest asset for no reason whatsoever sounds a great idea.
While we're at it why don't we release Jackson on a free for not signing his new deal?
edit: 'As soon as we were relegated , he was always going to jump ship.'
Erm... [Post edited 1 Sep 2020 19:06]
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:05 - Sep 1 with 2155 views | textbackup |
an uninterested and 50% giving Downes would still be one of the most talent CM's to have played for us in the last 10 years |  |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:18 - Sep 1 with 2110 views | ArnieM |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:05 - Sep 1 by J2BLUE |
There is no suggestion he's throwing his toys out over this. Demoting our best player and biggest asset for no reason whatsoever sounds a great idea.
While we're at it why don't we release Jackson on a free for not signing his new deal?
edit: 'As soon as we were relegated , he was always going to jump ship.'
Erm... [Post edited 1 Sep 2020 19:06]
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He hasn’t asked for a transfer has he .
I just think of a player clearly wants to leave the club, then why should we assume he’ll be giving his all in the first team . I don’t he will . And perhaps you’re right about Jackson, maybe he won’t give a shyte about the team either. Can we afford to carry these want away players ? I don’t know . I’m just making a suggestion. | |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:20 - Sep 1 with 2098 views | J2BLUE |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:18 - Sep 1 by ArnieM |
He hasn’t asked for a transfer has he .
I just think of a player clearly wants to leave the club, then why should we assume he’ll be giving his all in the first team . I don’t he will . And perhaps you’re right about Jackson, maybe he won’t give a shyte about the team either. Can we afford to carry these want away players ? I don’t know . I’m just making a suggestion. |
I don't know Downes but he doesn't strike me as the sort to sulk. I might be wrong but if he stays we need him. His problem should be with Palace if they won't meet the asking price, not us.
We need him in the team if he stays. I think it will be classic Ipswich and we'll sell him for about £3.25m in a couple of weeks and then chase some league 2 megastar for the rest of the window before he eventually joins Accrington. | |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:25 - Sep 1 with 2069 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
If indeed he has handed in a transfer request, then he wouldn't play for Ipswich again, if I were in charge. No player would. We are in a hole and need every single player dedicated to promotion with us. If they ain't interested, then neither would I be. |  | | |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:27 - Sep 1 with 2057 views | J2BLUE |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:25 - Sep 1 by IpswichBoyBlue |
If indeed he has handed in a transfer request, then he wouldn't play for Ipswich again, if I were in charge. No player would. We are in a hole and need every single player dedicated to promotion with us. If they ain't interested, then neither would I be. |
So your policy would basically allow any player to leave on the cheap? Tomorrow Woolf could ask to leave, you'd drop him from the first team and then the vultures come in knowing we aren't in a position to pay a player to mess around in the reserves? Doesn't sound a great plan in the real world. | |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:31 - Sep 1 with 2036 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:27 - Sep 1 by J2BLUE |
So your policy would basically allow any player to leave on the cheap? Tomorrow Woolf could ask to leave, you'd drop him from the first team and then the vultures come in knowing we aren't in a position to pay a player to mess around in the reserves? Doesn't sound a great plan in the real world. |
We have had years of players just turning up for the pay cheque. Now we are in a hole they want out. So, yes, I would sell anybody who doesn't want to bring Ipswich Town Football Club success. I don't see how that is a bad thing. I would rather play the u23s rather than players who don't want to play for us and get injured, thus stopping them from leaving. Only player willing to do their all for ITFC are welcome. | | | |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:36 - Sep 1 with 2009 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:05 - Sep 1 by textbackup |
an uninterested and 50% giving Downes would still be one of the most talent CM's to have played for us in the last 10 years |
We could blindfold and gag him to force him to play and he’d still be our best player.
We can’t sell him. Would be absolutely ridiculous. Every time we sell someone the club send out a mouthpiece to chat bollox about reinvesting the money and the five point plan. But they can’t do that this time as we physically aren’t able to spend a penny of the money if he is sold. So why would we. Even Evans couldn’t be such a pillock surely? |  |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:37 - Sep 1 with 2008 views | backwaywhen |
And what about the possibility of loaning back for this season ...... then your reading fulls flat . |  | | |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:37 - Sep 1 with 2006 views | ArnieM |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:25 - Sep 1 by IpswichBoyBlue |
If indeed he has handed in a transfer request, then he wouldn't play for Ipswich again, if I were in charge. No player would. We are in a hole and need every single player dedicated to promotion with us. If they ain't interested, then neither would I be. |
Thank you for that . That’s all I’m trying to say really .
I get that a player wants to better themselves. That’s fine . But don’t expect to be first choice in a team ( your team mates) you have effectively said I’m not interested in playing alongside you anymore. Players shouldn’t expect to have all their way.
Please, let’s just get players in OUR team who want to play for this Club and want to gain promotion with us. Is that really too much to ask for? | |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:47 - Sep 1 with 1968 views | Swansea_Blue |
Hi Roy, thanks for popping back in to say hello  |  |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:49 - Sep 1 with 1959 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:37 - Sep 1 by ArnieM |
Thank you for that . That’s all I’m trying to say really .
I get that a player wants to better themselves. That’s fine . But don’t expect to be first choice in a team ( your team mates) you have effectively said I’m not interested in playing alongside you anymore. Players shouldn’t expect to have all their way.
Please, let’s just get players in OUR team who want to play for this Club and want to gain promotion with us. Is that really too much to ask for? |
For those in 2 minds I will give you 1 players name. Teddy Bishop. Since considerable interest from numerous clubs (rumoured), how many games has he played and how has he played. He is another I would be desperate to sell. We are in the sh1t and looking at L1 or worse for the foreseeable future unless things change. We have played nicely, now to play ba$t@rd. I am fed up with all the "on paper we should win the league" or " our squad is good enough for promotion" etc. Time for the players and manager to deliver. If not, get the hell out of OUR football club. | | | |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 19:57 - Sep 1 with 1936 views | Wickets |
Sorry but you are just being too harsh , there is hardly any person alive let alone someone in the cut and thrust cut throat world of sport who would not be interested in bettering themselves to the tune of something like 5 or 6 times the salary they are receiving . Add to that the chance of playing in the Premier league and maybe in a year or two playing for your country ,sorry its a no brainer best we can hope for is too convince him to stay for another year or get a decent fee . |  | | |
| We should 100% hold out for a fee that matches our valuation. on 20:17 - Sep 1 with 1870 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
...and he should stay if that is not met.
However, beyond that, any harsh treatment does not help you recruit young players in the future.
99% of clubs in the world are feeder clubs to one extent or another. |  |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 20:24 - Sep 1 with 1840 views | BlueNomad |
So he happily signs a long contract which should benefit him and the club. Then apparently he gets a new agent who whispers in his ear so he can make a quick buck and we get screwed. I think Brian Clough described agents as pimps. They and the Premier League are ruining the game in this country.
Having said that it is inevitable that Downes will go to a big club but the timing is destabilising, yet again. [Post edited 1 Sep 2020 20:34]
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 21:03 - Sep 1 with 1709 views | Swansea_Blue |
The amount of over-reaction to this is bonkers. Yes it's a shame that he looks likely to leave, but it's what happens. It happens every window in clubs all over the country. It's not been so long since someone wanted to buy one of our players that we've forgotten, shirley? | |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 21:07 - Sep 1 with 1695 views | ArnieM |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 20:24 - Sep 1 by BlueNomad |
So he happily signs a long contract which should benefit him and the club. Then apparently he gets a new agent who whispers in his ear so he can make a quick buck and we get screwed. I think Brian Clough described agents as pimps. They and the Premier League are ruining the game in this country.
Having said that it is inevitable that Downes will go to a big club but the timing is destabilising, yet again. [Post edited 1 Sep 2020 20:34]
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Which is why I advocate he’s not first choice anymore . He first give a stuff about ITFC , only himself . Some will say , “and why not”, and I’d say say fine... but don’t expect both sides of the coin . Let’s play players ( young Dobra) who actually do want to play for this Club. No one is saying Downes Wouldn’t make a difference in the team . He is a quality player to a certain point. But he doesn’t want to play for this Club anymore . He wants to leave. Fine stand back and let’s put in a young player who DOES want that chance . | |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 21:23 - Sep 1 with 1638 views | boysof1981 |
Agree totally with this. He’s changed agents whose first job is to turn his head and look elsewhere. As said, he shouldn’t be near the first team now, sell him and forget. Loyalty doesn’t exist anymore in football, especially here when there’s in fighting amongst most players and PL, and with Evans listening to the players but doing nothing there’s more than just Flynn wanting out. Luke is considering a transfer request this week, and Norwood after last seasons bust up with PL wants away, Dundee Utd his preferred choice. Add into the mix Kayden also wanting championship football this season, we truly are screwed. Only hope is Evans sees the wood for the trees and sends PL on his way sooner rather than later. Cowley brothers have already been approached, but nothing solid in Evans terminating Lambert’s contract yet, then the speed in which he operates it’s no surprise. | | | |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 21:33 - Sep 1 with 1609 views | ArnieM |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 21:23 - Sep 1 by boysof1981 |
Agree totally with this. He’s changed agents whose first job is to turn his head and look elsewhere. As said, he shouldn’t be near the first team now, sell him and forget. Loyalty doesn’t exist anymore in football, especially here when there’s in fighting amongst most players and PL, and with Evans listening to the players but doing nothing there’s more than just Flynn wanting out. Luke is considering a transfer request this week, and Norwood after last seasons bust up with PL wants away, Dundee Utd his preferred choice. Add into the mix Kayden also wanting championship football this season, we truly are screwed. Only hope is Evans sees the wood for the trees and sends PL on his way sooner rather than later. Cowley brothers have already been approached, but nothing solid in Evans terminating Lambert’s contract yet, then the speed in which he operates it’s no surprise. |
Are you saying Town have approached the Cowley brothers ?? Where have you heard this please ? | |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 21:35 - Sep 1 with 1600 views | NotMarcusEvans |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 21:33 - Sep 1 by ArnieM |
Are you saying Town have approached the Cowley brothers ?? Where have you heard this please ? |
Probably FB/the news comments, both of which would be a better outlet for your musings. |  | | |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 21:45 - Sep 1 with 1552 views | ITFC_Forever |
“As soon as we were relegated...”
That was a year ago. |  |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 22:04 - Sep 1 with 1503 views | Suffolktractor |
I can’t see Downes being the type of player to sulk if he doesn’t get his transfer.
He is our player and we have made him into the player he is, so we are entitled to hold onto him until Palace come in with a sensible offer, in my opinion it has to be over 5 million up front.
Until that happens he is a Town player and I can see no reason why we shouldn’t have him very much as part of our midfield for as long as possible. He will go one day as he is clearly a very talented player who will be a Premier League midfielder, but unless he refuses to turn out for us, unlikely, we would be mad not to play him.
By the way, I agree with earlier posters about agents and the Premier League ruining football. | | | |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 22:28 - Sep 1 with 1463 views | ArnieM |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 21:35 - Sep 1 by NotMarcusEvans |
Probably FB/the news comments, both of which would be a better outlet for your musings. |
Was there any need for that ? | |
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 00:20 - Sep 2 with 1357 views | Ryorry |
| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 22:04 - Sep 1 by Suffolktractor |
I can’t see Downes being the type of player to sulk if he doesn’t get his transfer.
He is our player and we have made him into the player he is, so we are entitled to hold onto him until Palace come in with a sensible offer, in my opinion it has to be over 5 million up front.
Until that happens he is a Town player and I can see no reason why we shouldn’t have him very much as part of our midfield for as long as possible. He will go one day as he is clearly a very talented player who will be a Premier League midfielder, but unless he refuses to turn out for us, unlikely, we would be mad not to play him.
By the way, I agree with earlier posters about agents and the Premier League ruining football. |
Quite. All players are competitve once they're playing in a game anyway, it's in their DNA - and him more than most, he wouldn't be able to help himself - he has more than a little of the old Magic fighting spirit and "lead by example" in him, he wouldn't let his team-mates, captain, himself or us down. He'd also want to showcase himself in case any other scouts might be watching I imagine.
We need to chalk up as many points as soon as we can by all the means possible, and playing him for as long as we can would certaily assist that.
And as Rommy says, what would be the point in selling him anyway other than to recover some of ME's ££ for him? The cap means we wouldn't be able to spend on an equal or better quality replacement, so we might as well ask a silly price. I dare say ME wouldn't see it like that of course!
Agree with the previous comments on agents/the bread & circuses business that 21stC pro football has become. [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 0:22]
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| I know this will annoy a fair few , but I’m going to say / suggest it anyway. on 00:55 - Sep 2 with 1331 views | TieDyedIn95 |
With our midfield we have to pick the 4 fit ones usually. ...... |  |
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