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Virtually every comment is supporting him as well. It's almost as if a large number of people have crossed some form of Einstein—Rosen bridge and have travelled to a point in space-time which equates to October 2019.
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Well this is helpful.... on 13:45 - Oct 1 with 4533 views
Similar to what's happening in Madrid, Ayuso vs Sanchez. It's been political here for months, central govt vs autonomous regions. You'd hope at a time like this people would pull together.
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I went to school with him..... on 13:50 - Oct 1 with 4506 views
Well this is helpful.... on 13:48 - Oct 1 by BarcaBlue
Similar to what's happening in Madrid, Ayuso vs Sanchez. It's been political here for months, central govt vs autonomous regions. You'd hope at a time like this people would pull together.
Surely challenging the lockdown in Madrid is madness?
I read this morning that they have 500 cases per 100,000 in Madrid, compare that to the worst place in the UK, Liverpool, with about 260 cases per 100,000.
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Well this is helpful.... on 13:53 - Oct 1 with 4484 views
He’s sadly typical of the freedom-obsessed nutjobs that have unfortunately been courted by our politicians over the years. These liberty extremists are OTT in the US, here they’re just embarrassing.
Since when did freedom exist without responsibility? Or without at least a nod to society and the greater good?
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Well this is helpful.... on 13:54 - Oct 1 with 4480 views
Well this is helpful.... on 13:52 - Oct 1 by StokieBlue
Surely challenging the lockdown in Madrid is madness?
I read this morning that they have 500 cases per 100,000 in Madrid, compare that to the worst place in the UK, Liverpool, with about 260 cases per 100,000.
SB
It is madness but the local government are saying they will respect the new rules until they have time to challenge them in the courts. It's purely populist / political.
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Well this is helpful.... on 14:06 - Oct 1 with 4397 views
Well this is helpful.... on 13:53 - Oct 1 by Darth_Koont
He’s sadly typical of the freedom-obsessed nutjobs that have unfortunately been courted by our politicians over the years. These liberty extremists are OTT in the US, here they’re just embarrassing.
Since when did freedom exist without responsibility? Or without at least a nod to society and the greater good?
Is the answer, "When it affects my profits/shares"?
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Well this is helpful.... on 14:17 - Oct 1 with 4349 views
Well this is helpful.... on 14:59 - Oct 1 by StokieBlue
Now the mayor of Middlesbrough is saying "we defy the government" and "doesn't accept the lockdown measures".
He states that they "need to get Covid under control" but not entirely sure how he plans on doing that given he's rejecting the new measures.
SB
Ah Britain. Like America but with fewer guns.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Well this is helpful.... on 15:04 - Oct 1 by GeoffSentence
Twitter seems a bit broken for me at the moment so I cant see what his problem is.
Is he objecting to the lockdown rules themselves or the way HMG is imposing them without democratic scrutiny?
He's not particularly coherent but I think both.
Seems to think they can manage it locally with their "local knowledge" whilst not having a lockdown, ensuring jobs and safeguarding peoples mental health.
Doesn't say how though.
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Well this is helpful.... on 16:33 - Oct 1 with 4118 views
Well this is helpful.... on 14:59 - Oct 1 by StokieBlue
Now the mayor of Middlesbrough is saying "we defy the government" and "doesn't accept the lockdown measures".
He states that they "need to get Covid under control" but not entirely sure how he plans on doing that given he's rejecting the new measures.
SB
It's almost as if people are starting to realise that the Government is removing their rights and freedoms in a completely undemocratic way that is also completely disproportionate to the threat faced from the virus. That for me, is somewhat reassuring.
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Well this is helpful.... on 16:36 - Oct 1 with 4105 views
Well this is helpful.... on 16:33 - Oct 1 by Harry_Palmer
It's almost as if people are starting to realise that the Government is removing their rights and freedoms in a completely undemocratic way that is also completely disproportionate to the threat faced from the virus. That for me, is somewhat reassuring.
Surely disproportionate is subjective?
Your position is interesting. You aren't willing to accept an extremely minute risk when it comes to vaccines but you're willing to accept a much larger risk when it comes to C19.
Can you elaborate on why? I'm interested to see how you reach that position.
Convince me.
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Well this is helpful.... on 16:42 - Oct 1 with 4081 views
Well this is helpful.... on 16:36 - Oct 1 by StokieBlue
Surely disproportionate is subjective?
Your position is interesting. You aren't willing to accept an extremely minute risk when it comes to vaccines but you're willing to accept a much larger risk when it comes to C19.
Can you elaborate on why? I'm interested to see how you reach that position.
Convince me.
SB
The first thing to say is that the way I view my position is somewhat different to the way you do, so from that starting point it is going to be difficult to convince you of anything.
When you talk of the extremely minute risk of vaccines are you talking in general terms or regarding a potential Covid-19 vaccine?
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Well this is helpful.... on 16:45 - Oct 1 with 4068 views
Well this is helpful.... on 16:42 - Oct 1 by Harry_Palmer
The first thing to say is that the way I view my position is somewhat different to the way you do, so from that starting point it is going to be difficult to convince you of anything.
When you talk of the extremely minute risk of vaccines are you talking in general terms or regarding a potential Covid-19 vaccine?
In general terms.
OK - lets look at it another way then.
What should be done? How do you feel the virus should be tamed? Should we even bother trying?
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Well this is helpful.... on 16:46 - Oct 1 with 4054 views
Well this is helpful.... on 16:45 - Oct 1 by StokieBlue
In general terms.
OK - lets look at it another way then.
What should be done? How do you feel the virus should be tamed? Should we even bother trying?
SB
Absolutely we should be trying, but not at the complete disregard of peoples jobs, businesses and mental wellbeing. At this stage all of the evidence suggests that C19 is only a severe illness in a small minority of the population.
Our Governments approach for me is lacking reason and based on a very narrow and limited range of science that is all geared towards a vaccine being the only solution.
For example we have seen recently that there is quite strong evidence for the use of vitamin D in both prevention and treatment of Covid-19 and yet Matt Hancock wrongly stated a week ago that they had carried out a trial and it showed to be ineffective ( no such trial had taken place, he was referring to old and irrelevant studies ). There are many other ways people can improve their own situation by building a stronger immune system ( backed by science ) Where is the strong Government public health message in this area?
I personally like the approach that Sweden have taken in terms of protecting/sheilding those most vulnerable and allowing the rest of society to function as freely as possible.
I know you and others do not endorse their approach but I believe their numbers stand up pretty well to many other nations. People will throw Norway and Finland in as comparisons but there are a number of reasons ( not just locking down ) for their lower numbers. Sweden also fares pretty well compared to many other comparable nations ( Belgium for one ) that opted for very strict early lockdowns.
I think people need to be treated more like adults, given the true risk, facts etc. and then being allowed to make decisions based on their own attitude to the risk.
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